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I to had lived through a VERY similar experience. Yes, at my conversion after my 3rd attempt at suicide the last week of 1977, I had Wave after Wave of DEEP, DEEP remorse for my Utterly Sinful Lifestyle. But there was something more to that conversion experience, that I usually leave out of my testimony. Perhaps I should not have left it out, but I was afraid that most would have made fun of it.

I had a vision or a dream, not sure which, where I was on my knees before the Cross, reaching up to HIM, BEGGING HIM FOR FORGIVENESS, over and over again. Something strange caught my eye, that NO ONE HAD TAUGHT ME ANYTHING ABOUT. THE NAILS WERE THROUGH HIS WRISTS. {Years later I learned that Jews considered the wrists to be part of the hand.} As I was watching the NAILS in bewilderment, I saw blood come out, and fall, splashing on my raised forearms. THE BLOOD FELT WARM as it SPLASHED THERE. I KNEW I HAD BEEN TOTALLY FORGIVEN! That was where the Vision or Dream ended.

I believe HE HAD A PLAN FOR MY LIFE, and HE WOULD GUIDE ME THROUGH THE TRAINING TO BE QUALIFIED for POSITION HE WANTED ME TO TAKE. I was working in the Post Office on the night crew, where we were allowed to listen with a headset, to a Walkman cassette player, while we sorted mail. He Lead me to some outstanding BIBLE TEACHERS, for almost 10 years. I listened to as many as 4 one hour tapes a night. I had over 500 Cassettes, and I listened to everyone of the cassettes at least 4 times each. Most were by Dr. John MacArthur, and some be other TEACHERS, and all were Conservative evangelicals; no wild and doctrinally unsound in the bunch.

Dr. John MacArthur, Jr. - http://www.gty.org/ sermons dating back to the early 70s - free to listen to.
Dr. Adrian Rogers - http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/love-worth-finding/
Dr. Charles Stanley - http://www.intouch.org/
Dr. Richard Lee - http://www.firstredeemer.org/
Dr. Zola Levitt - http://www.levitt.tv/media/watch/118 - some free - videos
Dr. Ed Young - http://www.winningwalk.org/t-bio.aspx
Dr. Gil Rugh - http://www.ihcc.org/ - free sermons dating back to the late 70s - free
Dr. Chuck Swindoll - http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/insight-for-living/
Dr. Walter Martin - https://www.blueletterbible.org/audio_video/martin_walter/
Dr. Ben Haden - http://changedlives.org/WHY
Dr. J. Dwight Pentecost - http://www.dts.edu/read/dr-dwight-pentecost-dies-age-99/

HE eventually put it on my heart to move to California, WHEN, I personally thought there are nothing but Fruits and Nuts there, so who would ever want to live there. HE motivated me to get INVOLVED in Prison Ministy. AND I KNEW THAT WAS MY CALLING. I moved to another town and Volunteered at the end of the line, supermax Prison there. I was accepted as a Volunteer Protestant Prison Chaplain, with NO BIBLE COLLEGE, just those TAPES. I was there for 9.5 years, then moved again to another town with a supermax Prison, and Volunteered for 5.5 more years, until I retired from the Post Office.

Yes, I moved back to Nebraska, when my wife died unexpectedly, almost 4 years ago.
So profound! My heart leapt for joy! My story is rather long, but, I have avoided organised religion for most of my life, I never felt right in any of them. Jesus is my teacher anyway. I am called to read certain scripture often. I too was called to live here a long time, ago, when I did drift away and move to another city, it was a disaster all sorts of calamity arose, until I returned here. I know I have been set aside for a purpose, but it hasn't been revealed to me yet. The time is fast approaching though I feel.
 
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I think @UnderGrace, has a point. What you are doing in this statement can be described as "mind reading" which is a faulty way of thinking about things, meaning it is not based on fact. If you think someone is talking about you, why not ask in a way that is gracious and kind? You may find that you were wrong. However unless you ask, you cannot know for sure.
I will spare you and Undergrace ( because she knows) the literally dozens of posts where DC and I butted heads for weeks about point h, because DC said one thing, the changed it when I called him on it, then accused me of denying something I didnt deny.

Literally dozens of posts spanning weeks, and then DC repeats the same strawman he created back then.

Trust me. I can provide links to prove that DC was taking a pot shot at me. Just like GB9 did a couple weeks ago. He just didn’t try to hide it.

Dc did it because I and another poster called him to task for reporting a poster for a misunderstanding.

Just trust me on this, so I won’t have to send three pages of documentation. Know you guys don’t want that

I will drop it now. But if someone says I am mind reading or imagining it, I will produce the proof. And none of us wantsthat to happen
 
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I think @UnderGrace, has a point. What you are doing in this statement can be described as "mind reading" which is a faulty way of thinking about things, meaning it is not based on fact. If you think someone is talking about you, why not ask in a way that is gracious and kind? You may find that you were wrong. However unless you ask, you cannot know for sure.
Even if you are right, and I have a lot of posts I could copy and paste in support of what I said, it’s still a strawman to say people argued about Point h, when no one actually argued against it. And I bet no one can produce a post where anyone argued against point h.

So I will drop it there unless someone finds a post where someone argued against point h

DC tends to make up things that people supposedly believe, or disagree with, when no one said they disagree. Like constantly saying some people cannot accept Romans 8: 4. I wonder who these mysterious people are?
 
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I see the workers for are still skewing the truth........my bible states the following...

To the one that DOES NOT WORK, BUT BELIEVES on Him that justifies the ungodly....HIS FAITH IS CREDITED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS.....

Amazing.........!
 
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I see the workers for are still skewing the truth........my bible states the following...

To the one that DOES NOT WORK, BUT BELIEVES on Him that justifies the ungodly....HIS FAITH IS CREDITED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS.....

Amazing.........!
I see the workers for are still skewing the truth........my bible states the following...

To the one that DOES NOT WORK, BUT BELIEVES on Him that justifies the ungodly....HIS FAITH IS CREDITED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS.....

Amazing.........!
Who denies this here?

God justifies the ungodly and they are counted righteous who do not work. Right on!

I don’t know anyone here who denies this. I haven’t read anyone who denied this. Someone give me a post number where someone denies this
 
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I see the workers for are still skewing the truth........my bible states the following...

To the one that DOES NOT WORK, BUT BELIEVES on Him that justifies the ungodly....HIS FAITH IS CREDITED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS.....

Amazing.........!
I see people here are still denying that God created the heavens and the earth. Amazing!
 
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I see the workers for are still skewing the truth........my bible states the following...

To the one that DOES NOT WORK, BUT BELIEVES on Him that justifies the ungodly....HIS FAITH IS CREDITED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS.....

Amazing.........!
I see people are still in denial. My Bible says you must be born again.
 
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I see the workers for are still skewing the truth........my bible states the following...

To the one that DOES NOT WORK, BUT BELIEVES on Him that justifies the ungodly....HIS FAITH IS CREDITED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS.....

Amazing.........!

But MY Bible says it is God who justifies us! . Romans 8:30.

See I can say bible verses that agree with your Bible verses but act like they disagree just like you can. Isn’t this fun?
 
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But MY Bible says it is God who justifies us! . Romans 8:30.

See I can say bible verses that agree with your Bible verses but act like they disagree just like you can. Isn’t this fun?
Please stop... @dcontroversal knows the Gospel inside out, in heart and mind, there is no point to your posts.
 
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Please stop... @dcontroversal knows the Gospel inside out, in heart and mind, there is no point to your posts.
I am replying to him the way he replies to others. He Quotes a scripture that does not address what the other person says, as if the other person denies it or disagrees with it

That’s called a. Strawman.


Do you want 15 or 20 examples? I can produce them very quickly

I’d just like to see him stop doing that

That’s what he does. I’ll stop now though
 
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I am replying to him the way he replies to others. He Quotes a scripture that does not address what the other person says, as if the other person denies it or disagrees with it

That’s what he does. I’ll stop now though
Yes please!
 
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you liked this insulting post that misrepresented me several days ago. Do unto others as you would like them to do to DC
 
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You know....I planted some tame black berries....they grew 10 foot vines this year....but will not bear fruit until next year.....

Also....an oak tree takes 20 to 25 years to produce a crop of acorns....

Wheat takes around 10 months...

Some men may produce early.....some may take a lifetime to bear fruit.....

The bible is clear.....Jesus produces in us....and we but bear the fruit......
 
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I wonder about Moses......
a. His first 40 years raised in Egypt
b. His second 40 years tending sheep
c. Was not until age 80 he led the Children of Israel out of Egypt

What fruit did he bear his first 80 years? Is there anything listed in the bible?