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ABSOLUTE TRUTH!





I told you before, I DO NOT GO BY FACE BOOK RULES. I have never had a face book account, and refuse to bow to their rules. ALL CAPITALS does not mean I am shouting, I am OLD SCHOOL, and it only means I am emphasizing a point. Same with COLORS. Just so you know, WE consider spreading lies and misunderstandings about our OSAS TRUE DOCTRINE, to be RUDE and IS LOATHING, in our opinion.
All caps is shouting. You don’t want to admit it but it is.

I know you find me loathing. That’s obvious. I don’t loath you or your doctrine. My doctrine doesn’t produce loathing of those who don’t agree with me.
 
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Their whole focus is the salvation they got and cannot lose.
Our focus is Jesus and what he has done and does on our behalf....not ourselves, as is the case with you and all salvation losers and working for Cainologists.

Try to wrap your head around that truth!
 
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Our focus is Jesus and what he has done and does in our behalf....not ourselves, as is the case with you and all salvation losers and workering for Cainologists.

Try to wrap your head around that truth!
Again, the focus of OSAS is what they got from Jesus.... What He has done FOR THEM...What they does ON THEIR BEHALF


get get get get get get that’s it
 
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She constantly runs down our belief in our secure salvation and constantly claims we do nothing after we are saved. She constantly claims OSAS (btw I'm satisficed with that) do nothing after for God and blah blah
Didn’t say that.
 

BillG

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Ask it using Biblical language. Do you believe a believer call fall away from the faith?
Thank you, you have answered my question, if only you had said that in the first place.

Now I believe a genuine beliver cannot fall away from faith. Yes he may wander off the level path but God will bring him back.

If I'm wrong why so?
 
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Ask it using Biblical language. Do you believe a believer call fall away from the faith?

I believe we can wander off....but he will never let us go....because we are his children.

Do you understand that.....?....we

Are
His
Children......?

It’s also biblical that whoever God gives to Jesus..no one can take them from him.

So....he knows all about us.
 
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EleventhHour

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Again, the focus of OSAS is what they got from Jesus.... What He has done FOR THEM...What they does ON THEIR BEHALF


get get get get get get that’s it
Outside of OSAS you can do NOTHING for Jesus ... you are still trying to keep/maintain salvation.... Jesus does not like that btw.

All you got is false accusations.
 

VCO

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Again, the focus of OSAS is what they got from Jesus.... What He has done FOR THEM...What they does ON THEIR BEHALF


get get get get get get that’s it

You PROVE how little you do actually know about OSAS.


2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

Titus 3:5-7 (HCSB)
5 He saved usnot by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
6 He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.

Romans 5:8-11 (HCSB)
8 But God proves His own love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us!
9 Much more then, since we have now been declared righteous by His blood, we will be saved through Him from wrath.
10 For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, ⌊then how⌋ much more, having been reconciled, will we be saved by His life!
11 And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ. We have now received this reconciliation through Him.

John 10:27-28 (HCSB)
27 My sheep hear My voice, I know them, and they follow Me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish—ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand.
{It is not ETERNAL, if you can lose it.}

1 Peter 1:3-5 (HCSB)
3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to His great mercy, He has given us a new birth {It is the HOLY SPIRIT Who birthed our Human Spirit.} into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.
5 You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.

Romans 11:29 (HCSB)
29 since God’s gracious gifts and calling are irrevocable.
 

Lafftur

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The ONLY Teacher I trust is the Holy Spirit of God. I have no confidence in any rabbi, pastor, preacher, person, etc.

I enjoy listening to preaching and sermons but, the Holy Spirit has to bear witness to my spirit that what they are saying is true.

It is pleasing to God for each of us to search and study the scriptures with a heart and mind that diligently seeks and loves God’s Truth - and is a doer of His Word.

Yet, the ONLY Teacher of God’s Word is The Holy Spirit.


But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
1 John 2:27 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=1 John 2:27&version=KJV
Did you cit the verses out of your bible where Paul told Timothy to TEACH faithful men who in turn would teach Faithful men etc...

Or maybe God adding to the assembly .......teaching pastors....

Or pay heed to those whom God has given the oversight.....

How shall they hear unless one be sent

or...........

You just devalued MANY inspired verses!!
Did you forget that when even Jesus was speaking, He said, “Whoever has an ear to hear what the SPIRIT Is saying,”......:unsure:
Of course the Holy Spirit reveals truth but this happens through study and learning from others.

Without a teacher you have no one to correct or guide you and that can lead to a lot of problems. The Holy Spirit works through people as well.

Ephesians 4:11-16 King James Version (KJV)
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
I forgot nothing, and regardless, we cannot negate the OTHER inspired verses that indicate men are called and placed by God TO TEACH his truth.....just saying!
Okay look, @dcontroversal and @EleventhHour - Yes, it is true that God has raised up teachers BUT, we cannot know if what they or anyone says is TRUE, UNLESS the Holy Spirit bears witness that what they are saying is TRUE. All true knowledge and understanding of the scriptures DEPENDS on the HOLY SPIRIT ALONE.

The flesh of man will trust in his own intellect to find Truth - this is prideful and foolish and any knowledge gained will only puff up the person and make them even more prideful. This type of person has eyes but, sees not and ears but, hears not. This type of person boasts in their years of seminary, diligent study of God's Word, that they speak Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic, that they have written thousands of commentaries yet, they were only a hamster on a wheel going nowhere.

However, when a believer learns to depend ONLY on the HOLY SPIRIT for TRUE knowledge and understanding of the scriptures, the Word becomes living - The Word and The Spirit together give LIFE to the hearer. The hearer does NOT become prideful and puffed up, instead the hearer becomes so humbled and thankful and delights immensely in The Truth. They may still go to seminary, write commentaries, speak Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic but, they rarely mention those things....instead they speak of how fascinating and life giving the scriptures are when the Holy Spirit illuminates them......then, we have eyes to see and ears to hear what the SPIRIT is saying.

As I mentioned in a prior post, I DO enjoy listening to preachers and sermons BUT, EVERYTHING I hear is filtered through The Holy Spirit and God's Word.

Lately, I've enjoyed watching "encountertv," I also enjoy Charles Stanley, Tony Evans, Joyce Meyer - no body has it all correct but, I enjoy listening. Mostly, I just listen to the audio bible.

God bless you both! Sorry for my late reply. :love:
 

stonesoffire

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We don't judge the person's soul for that is up to God to do. However, we do and should judge the actions of a person, the words of a person, and most definitely the doctrine/preaching/leadership of any person on spiritual matters. There are false teachers, leaders, preachers and absolutely FALSE DOCTRINE.





one problem i see with this is we are not to Judge, no? "Judge not that you be not judged" also, how can we properly judge anyone anyway without knowing motives (only God knows?) tone of voice, attitutes (we can't necessarily see/hear these in chat).

also, how can we properly judge another man's doctrine as totally false when we don't know as God knows, but only dimly, "for now we see through a glass dimly.. but now we know in part" not in whole.

also, are we not open to learning more here, or are we forever closed in our minds to new revelation? we should all be open to learn more truth, or at least not totally closed to it, no?


all these things apply to all of us here.
Everyone of us makes judgements all the time about words spoken by others. Most of the time we don’t respond to them unless we have an opinion that warrants a response.

Here we should be comparing scripture with scriptures and most of us are doing this. So it’s not judging the person but the words.

When someone twists another’s words, it’s upsetting. People aren’t wrong in this case.
 

Lafftur

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Only scripture can be trusted....not what we think or believe...I agree Laff.
Well, it's Scripture that the Holy Spirit gives us understanding of - The Word and Spirit give life to the hearer.

We don't want to interpret the scripture with our fleshy intellect, we need to rely on the Holy Spirit to give us understanding.
 
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Well, it's Scripture that the Holy Spirit gives us understanding of - The Word and Spirit give life to the hearer.

We don't want to interpret the scripture with our fleshy intellect, we need to rely on the Holy Spirit to give us understanding.

A Big Amen!....Laff....well said.
 
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EleventhHour

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Well, it's Scripture that the Holy Spirit gives us understanding of - The Word and Spirit give life to the hearer.

We don't want to interpret the scripture with our fleshy intellect, we need to rely on the Holy Spirit to give us understanding.
Come let us reason together...
Isaiah 1:18

So he reasoned in the synagogue with the Jews and the devout persons, and in the marketplace every day with those who happened to be there.
Acts 17:17

God has the ability to reason and He gave us that gift as well, while I agree we are in a fallen state and our ability to reason is faulty as well, relying solely on divine revelation apart from reason is not what I read in scripture at all.

As someone once stated to me..............both blades of the scissors are required for them to cut.
 

Lafftur

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Come let us reason together...
Isaiah 1:18

So he reasoned in the synagogue with the Jews and the devout persons, and in the marketplace every day with those who happened to be there.
Acts 17:17

God has the ability to reason and He gave us that gift as well, while I agree we are in a fallen state and our ability to reason is faulty as well, relying solely on divine revelation apart from reason is not what I read in scripture at all.

As someone once stated to me..............both blades of the scissors are required for them to cut.
The two blades of the scissors are The Word and The Holy Spirit. When a person is teaching according to God's Will they will speak The Word WITH The Holy Spirit, just as Jesus did.

The disciple Stephen just before he was stoned presented the history of Israel and the Messiah from the Torah to the religious leaders and at the end of his speech he cried out, "Why do you always resist the Holy Spirit?!"

Those scribes and pharisees clung so tightly to their human reasoning of the scriptures that made them so prideful that they would not receive the Truth that the Holy Spirit through Stephen was trying to tell them.

Holy men wrote the scriptures by being moved by the Holy Spirit, we cannot truly understand them without the Holy Spirit.