Obedience, Oh No!

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JaumeJ

JaumeJ

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SpoonJuly said:
I have no idea how you come to the that conclusion by what I have posted.
I am not the one pushing the keeping of the Law. I am the one objecting to such heresy.
Jesus is our High Priest. We are to answer only to Him. We are not under any obligation to keep the Law given to Israel. We are to keep the commands of Jesus.
To rely on the "works of the Law" would indeed make the sacrifice of Christ of non effect.
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If you do not need to "keep the law" as you like to say while not having even a notion tn of understanding, how is it you can still sin and you need a High Priest as your constant Mediator to the Father? How is this possible if we are not to obey God as Jesus Christ teaches us?

Disobedience is sin, simple as that. If you believe the remnant of the law is not to be obeyed, you do not know the law under grace as taught by Jesus Christ, and until you see this I am afraid you are destined to be in error, teaching error.
 
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Ralph- said:
They are indoctrinated victims of the early Catholic Church leaders who literally outlawed the Law and made their own.
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Quite a statement from one who spins and twist Scripture to support personal interpretation and opinions.
 
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Ralph-

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SpoonJuly said:
Quite a statement from one who spins and twist Scripture to support personal interpretation and opinions.
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Do your homework.

If you did you'd see where this modern day version of Christianity comes from and why we worship and believe the way we do.

It's a serious red pill and it may shake the faith of some.
 
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SpoonJuly

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JaumeJ said:
If you do not need to "keep the law" as you like to say while not having even a notion tn of understanding, how is it you can still sin and you need a High Priest as your constant Mediator to the Father? How is this possible if we are not to obey God as Jesus Christ teaches us?

Disobedience is sin, simple as that. If you believe the remnant of the law is not to be obeyed, you do not know the law under grace as taught by Jesus Christ, and until you see this I am afraid you are destined to be in error, teaching error.
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My understand is very clear.
Jesus is my Lord and Master.
I understand what He will have me to do.
Do you keep the Law? Every part?
If you do not keep every part you are not keeping the Law.
 
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SpoonJuly

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Ralph- said:
Do your homework.

If you did you'd see where this modern day version of Christianity comes from and why we worship and believe the way we do.

It's a serious red pill and it may shake the faith of some.
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You and your cohorts are the one who practice modern day Christianity with its keeping of the Law, keeping yourself saved, and other heresy.
 
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SpoonJuly

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Ralph- said:
You don't seem to realize James was talking to YOU when he said this.
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There is no hope for you. Satan has taken you mind. You have no concept of Bible Truth.
I really feel sorry for you.
 
Latour

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seed_time_harvest said:
hello brother Jaumej


I disagree with this,I am no longer under the law.I am under grace,If I were under the law I would have to be perfect In my own strength and would come short of the glory of GOD.

we can't be under law and grace at the same time.



The rich young ruler looking at the outward man of JESUS asked JESUS good master what must I do to Inherit eternal life and JESUS replied why do you call me good, their Is only one that Is good and that Is GOD.

In other words why did the rich young ruler look at JESUS and think of a regular priest under law Instead of realizing the Inside of JESUS Is GOD and since he chose to look at JESUS as a man Instead of GOD in CHRIST,JESUS directed him back to the law telling him you know the ten commandments and we know that no man would be able to fulfill the law perfectly.

Give GOD ALL the credit.
Saying that we should keep the law and be under grace at the same time Is saying that JESUS did It ALL and I helped.
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What kind of forum is this? Look at the dislikes for the truth. Your confusion here is complete. And you seem to be in the majority. truly sound doctrine is not tolerated on this forum. When the rich young ruler asked Jesus what he must do to inherit eternal life Jesus said...

16 And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?” 17 And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

Now that's what the bible says Jesus said...

But you don't like the answer.
 
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The church doesn't seem to realize James was talking to YOU when he said this:

"if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11For He who said, “DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY,” also said, “DO NOT COMMIT MURDER.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. "-James 2:9-11

Go ahead, tell me he wasn't.
 
Latour

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The purpose of grace is to DO the commandments. It is not hearers of the law that are justified but the DOERS of the law. Through the Spirit we love as Jesus loved. Love is the fulfillment of the commandments. It is the bond of perfection.

Many here know nothing of grace...unless it is just to not have to do anything. Foolishness. Don't fill your lamps with oil...that would be works. Again foolishness.
 
Budman

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Latour said:
What kind of forum is this? Look at the dislikes for the truth. Your confusion here is complete. And you seem to be in the majority. truly sound doctrine is not tolerated on this forum. When the rich young ruler asked Jesus what he must do to inherit eternal life Jesus said...

16 And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?” 17 And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

Now that's what the bible says Jesus said...

But you don't like the answer.
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Jesus was making the point that nobody can keep the commandments. Not even the Jews to whom they were given. (Galatians 6:13)

If you think you can keep the commandments, you are sorely mistaken.
 
Latour

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Jackson123 said:
After Jesus fulfill the law, we not under ot law anymore, that is why we not do animal sacrifice anymore, no observe Saturday sabbath etc, yes we have to obey NT.
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Don't confuse Judaism...the maw of Moses...with the law of God...which is to love. Love fulfills the law.
 
Latour

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Budman said:
Jesus was making the point that nobody can keep the commandments. Not even the Jews to whom they were given. (Galatians 6:13)

If you think you can keep the commandments, you are sorely mistaken.
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Those who don't obey the law are outlaws. No outlaw inherits life.
 
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Budman said:
If you think you can keep the commandments, you are sorely mistaken.
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There's a big difference between keeping the commandments and Jesus' blood filling in where one falls short, and not keeping the commandments because you are sure grace makes it so you don't have to.
 
Budman

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Latour said:
Don't confuse Judaism...the maw of Moses...with the law of God...which is to love. Love fulfills the law.
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Look, Jesus was asked specifically about this.

"Then they asked Him, "what must we do to do the works that God requires?" Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the One He has sent" (John 6:28-29)

That's it, and that's all.
 
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Latour said:
The purpose of grace is to DO the commandments.
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Wait, wait........I'm being told over and over again that grace came so I DON'T have to do the commandments.
 
Budman

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Ralph- said:
There's a big difference between keeping the commandments and Jesus' blood filling in where one falls short, and not keeping the commandments because you are sure grace makes it so you don't have to.
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Hi Ralph! How's that sinless perfectionism coming?
 
Latour

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Budman said:
Look, Jesus was asked specifically about this.

"Then they asked Him, "what must we do to do the works that God requires?" Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the One He has sent" (John 6:28-29)

That's it, and that's all.
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To be perfect, yes. But to be saved Jesus says to love others. Read the bible without religious glasses and you just may see. Oh, you may have to open your mind too.
 
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Ralph-

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Budman said:
Look, Jesus was asked specifically about this.

"Then they asked Him, "what must we do to do the works that God requires?" Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the One He has sent" (John 6:28-29)

That's it, and that's all.
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Not doing the commands of God...........that's how you do the work of God?
 
Budman

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Latour said:
To be perfect, yes. But to be saved Jesus says to love others. Read the bible without religious glasses and you just may see. Oh, you may have to open your mind too.
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Unless you are perfect, you cannot enter the Kingdom of God.

"Be ye perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect." (Matthew 5:48)
 
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