Once saved always saved? Or is salvation conditional on believing and following God's Word?
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I added to my post after you grabbed it (I think):
I guess I see James 1:12 as saying, "shall receive [or, lay hold on] the crown/stephanon OF the life..." (not "receive eternal life")
... perhaps even like [the 'lay hold on'] in Phil3:12 (which is speaking of, in the here and now).
[IOW, the "making real in our experience (condition/state/walk), that which is true of us doctrinally (position/standing)... in the here and now"]
I think we all, as believers, go through "the trial of your faith" (multiple times)
YES obedience is everything.
Here is a good starting point for all who claim to be 'saved' as Christians -
37 Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and
you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”
40 And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.”
41 So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.
Acts 2:
And yet so many refuse to comply and refuse to obey.
Here is a good starting point for all who claim to be 'saved' as Christians -
37 Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and
you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”
40 And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.”
41 So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.
Acts 2:
And yet so many refuse to comply and refuse to obey.
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YEP......no confirmation and or denial......let's see....from AU.....peddles same things LOVEGODFOREVER did....and did not answer but diverted........
Interesting....SO......ARE you LOVEGODFOREVER back under a new name?
IF yes, breaking the rules
IF you are and say NO then your whole keep yourself saved premise falls apart....
Yes or NO?
and while we are there.....HAVE you ever lost your salvation even ONCE?
Interesting....SO......ARE you LOVEGODFOREVER back under a new name?
IF yes, breaking the rules
IF you are and say NO then your whole keep yourself saved premise falls apart....
Yes or NO?
and while we are there.....HAVE you ever lost your salvation even ONCE?
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To go with the OP and 2nd and 3rd post, I like the YLT which translates the JOHN 3:15-16 as..
JOHN 3:15-16 (YLT)15 that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during, 16 for God did so love the world, that His Son -- the only begotten -- He gave, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during.
So much for the false teaching of Once Saved Always Saved and Eternal Security. God's salvation has always been conditional on believing and following His Word in the present tense.
God bless
JOHN 3:15-16 (YLT)15 that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during, 16 for God did so love the world, that His Son -- the only begotten -- He gave, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during.
So much for the false teaching of Once Saved Always Saved and Eternal Security. God's salvation has always been conditional on believing and following His Word in the present tense.
God bless
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36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
John 3:36
And we are witnesses to these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him.”
Acts 5:32
You were running well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth?
Galatians 5:7
in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
2Thessalonians 1:8
“If you love me [Jesus], you will keep my commandments.
John 14:15
If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.
John 15:10
John 3:36
And we are witnesses to these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him.”
Acts 5:32
You were running well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth?
Galatians 5:7
in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
2Thessalonians 1:8
“If you love me [Jesus], you will keep my commandments.
John 14:15
If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.
John 15:10
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In view of the verse I had quoted, I expected one would also recall what is true regarding "the Holy Spirit" as mentioned in that verse (in relation to the believer / members of "the Church which is His body"), that being, "13 in whom you also, having heard the word of truth, the gospel your of salvation, in whom also having believed you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance to [/unto] the redemption of the acquired possession [i.e. "the Church which is His body"], to the praise of His glory."
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It is easy to conflate scripture out of context WAGS....par for the course with religion
It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to SAVE the that BELIEVE
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy has he saved us
Abraham believed GOD and it was put to his account for righteousness
We conclude that a man is JUSTIFIED by FAITH without the deeds/works of the law
It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to SAVE the that BELIEVE
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy has he saved us
Abraham believed GOD and it was put to his account for righteousness
We conclude that a man is JUSTIFIED by FAITH without the deeds/works of the law
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Because I do not need to and it is a distraction to the OP. I left your thread earlier because all you guys were doing were name calling. I hope you can respect this thread and discuss the OP and the scriptures provided and share your view here with us. You are welcome to join in with us here as long as you respect the people here and stop name calling.