PATRIOTISM IS BIBLICAL, But Is It Dying In AMERICA?

[VCO]

Aannd, you lost me right there, making it obvious there is not a rational conversation to be had. Fighting to the "last man" is not a scriptual instruction, nor is there a scriptual example of this position.

I'm done with the conversation.

Good. Because I am even more WEARY of trying to explain things to you.

One last verse to show you how wrong you are. Whenever someone in the military lays down his or her life for your freedoms, he or she is HONORED BY GOD, and Patriotic Americans:

John 15:12-13 (HCSB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] This is My command: Love one another as I have loved you.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] No one has greater love than this,
that someone would lay down his life for his friends.

 

[VCO]

Its interesting many still want to fight in Vietnam, but yet when the Jewish people were being murdered by Hitler the USA did not want to get involved!

Shane, shame on the USA.

My, you do not know your history very well.

The first problem was Franklin D. Roosevelt, was Democrat, and they have a track record of being anti-involvement in Foreign Wars. HOWEVER, President Roosevelt, DID approve supplying ENGLAND and others with Weapons of War. PLUS there were some 6700 American Volunteers who applied to join the RAF forces and even in CHINA the Flying Tigers, were volunteer American Pilots, fighting the Japanese.

NOW the first major bit of mis-information that you seem to have swallowed, involves when we first learned about Hitler's Death Camps.

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On April 5, 1945, units from the American Fourth Armored Division of the Third Army were the first Americans to discover a camp with prisoners and corpses.
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http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/usarmy_holo.html

I do not think I need to say more, other than Germany Surrendered on MAY 7th, 1945; one month and 2 days after we first discovered the Death Camps.

 

[jaybird88]

NO, it became politically incorrect to be for the WAR, among the majority of Democratic VOTERS, so Democrats in charge of Congress took over running the WAR. Coded messages came in from Congress, then they were hand translated, and then I RETYPED THEM, and sent them over to the B-52 crews. The Air Crews had to write CONGRESS to ask permission to strike EACH TARGET. THEY REFUSED PERMISSION to strike any target that would draw Media Attention, because they were afraid negative publicity would cost them re-election. Those requested targets that were DENIED, included the Largest Munitions Factory in Hanoi, and and even the very SAM sites that were shooting our birds down. The Democrats were running scared that more of Hanoi Jane's protests would cost them the Election. LIKE I SAID, we were not ALLOWED TO WIN.

if Dems and Reps truly are from different sides with different agendas then why do the exact same people support both parties?

 

[Bushido8000]

No, I would expect everyone to loyal to HIS COUNTRY, so why aren't you.

Just so you know, the signing of the Declaration of Independence, made it a new Country, not the war that followed.

*writes Declaration of Independence that turns the state of Florida into a new country called Anarchy. Signs it*

Oh look. I'm officially a citizen of Anarchy under your logic. Guess I don't have to pay taxes and follow America's laws anymore. How nifty.

Would you look at that? I'm just as free as people over in America and yet none of my citizens had to kill babies on the other side of the world. How is this working? Could it be that people are naturally free and don't have to drain the blood of innocent people to stay that way? Could it be that GOVERNMENTS are the only people responsible for oppressing citizens of a country??? Hmmmm.

 

[posthuman]

"patriotism" is Biblical only in the sense that the Lord has chosen Israel above all other nations.

for the Christian, our citizenship is in heaven.

even though Paul made use of his Roman citizenship by appealing to Ceaser, i don't know of any place in the scripture where "patriotism" -- blind praise & loyalty to a secular nation -- is ever spoken of highly, except for Israel & Jerusalem, and that is because Israel is His chosen nation, and Jerusalem the city He chose to set His name on. not because, "patriotism"

i think i know what you trying to get at.
but "American Exceptionalism" ain't Biblical. it's just not.
you gotta do some real twisting to make that look like it's there.



((OK lol now i will try reading the thread))

 

[posthuman]

I'm done with the conversation.

yeah, actually i didn't get but a couple pages in & i think i see where this is going.
i'm not even interested in browsing the rest of it.

there's not a rational discussion to be had. it's just a lot of baseball & apple pie and flag waving.

this isn't Biblical at all.

hey -- i love the people in this land, and i thank God that He chose to place me here.
but seriously, "God, guns and country" only has one thing right.

thank you for serving. all of you.

please understand that it is because my God has made me the citizen of another, greater nation that i don't have anything to do with this thread either.

i'm going to a baseball game in a couple hours, which leaves me enough time to have a slice of apple pie first.

 

[superMan9]

Spirituality trumps reality and its historical summations every time, but in order to discern spiritual you have to operate in the spirit. Other then that the carousal of Patriotism is your superficiality to tween what you want to be of God, which creates a irrelevant standard to acknowledge God Almighty through Christ. Lets start with this one true aspired historical account.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

There is your history.

I'm just amazed that 'superm' is so ignorant about the reality of our world's History...

it's truly hard to believe that these are real people who cannot read and comprehend
historical facts that the world that they live in have proven, and than can keep themselves in satanic denial...

 

[Mec99]

Do you not know VCO that the Government wants you to die for them? Your life means nothing to them. Just look at all the vet's who cannot receive any help from this Government. Do you really want to back up those who are out to make you die for their rights? Their possessions? Their wants and desires?

When you die for this Nation, you are dying for the rights of the Rich people.

If you had been born in Germany, would you have died for Germany? For Hitler?

Then why die for this Country?

 

[Bushido8000]

Do you not know VCO that the Government wants you to die for them? Your life means nothing to them. Just look at all the vet's who cannot receive any help from this Government. Do you really want to back up those who are out to make you die for their rights? Their possessions? Their wants and desires?

When you die for this Nation, you are dying for the rights of the Rich people.

If you had been born in Germany, would you have died for Germany? For Hitler?

Then why die for this Country?

Because in VCO's twisted Earth, there are arbitrary good guys and bad guys, much like the Marvel and DC comic universe. The USA is a "good guy" who only does "good things". Cops are "good guys" and the only people that cops arrest are "bad guys". We aren't in the Middle East to destabilize specific political targets that have refused our Central Banking system and aren't trying to establish a geographical, tactical advantage over Iran. Instead, we are somehow keeping America safe...by fighting impoverished terrorists on the otherside of the world, armed with rusted AK47s from the 1960s.

In reality, we live in the Watchmen's universe where there are no real good guys and even people that try to be good guys become corrupt from time to time as power is obtained.

 

[VCO]

if Dems and Reps truly are from different sides with different agendas then why do the exact same people support both parties?

You do not watch the nightly news on FOX NEWS, do you.

 

[VCO]

Because in VCO's twisted Earth, there are arbitrary good guys and bad guys, much like the Marvel and DC comic universe. The USA is a "good guy" who only does "good things". Cops are "good guys" and the only people that cops arrest are "bad guys". We aren't in the Middle East to destabilize specific political targets that have refused our Central Banking system and aren't trying to establish a geographical, tactical advantage over Iran. Instead, we are somehow keeping America safe...by fighting impoverished terrorists on the otherside of the world, armed with rusted AK47s from the 1960s.

In reality, we live in the Watchmen's universe where there are no real good guys and even people that try to be good guys become corrupt from time to time as power is obtained.

I can tell you are Young without looking at your Age, and I can tell you have NEVER have been in the Military, and I can tell that because of my first two points, that you will never learn from me or anyone else who has BEEN THERE. So you are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past, and doomed to have to fight the terrorists in you home town streets, because it is the only way you will ever LEARN TO GET WISER AS YOU GET OLDER.


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[VCO]

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[VCO]

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[Bushido8000]

I can tell you are Young without looking at your Age, and I can tell you have NEVER have been in the Military, and I can tell that because of my first two points, that you will never learn from me or anyone else who has BEEN THERE. So you are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past, and doomed to have to fight the terrorists in you home town streets, because it is the only way you will ever LEARN TO GET WISER AS YOU GET OLDER.


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See what I mean ^. He's a Reagan guy. The president that revamped the drug war and sent THOUSANDS of innocent lives to prison. Lol oh how I love the "you're just young" argument. No, I'm not young. America has gone through 3 wars since my birth. You've just been duped. No, sorry, I have never been in the military, because I'm not easily duped and used as a pawn to murder people for political gain. Sorry that I don't have the incredible insight of a pawn in the military.

If you take anything a president has to say seriously, you are probably gullible enough to vote for Trump or Hillary. Congrats.

 

[Bushido8000]

Look I'm sorry for being harsh but if you really are 67, you come from a generation where America was a symbol of Christianity and morality. That stopped in the 60s and America has been on a path to Hell since. America no longer represents ANYTHING that it did when you were a kid. It is not a Christian nation. It is an Atheistic/Satanic one. It no longer caters to the Christian and never will again. It's time to abandon ship and accept that the American flag is nothing more than a cloth to wipe your feet on. Stop catering to a country that hates God and waving its flag.

Look into Anarchy.

Oh and I meant 4 wars since my birth in the last post.

 

[posthuman]

You do not watch the nightly news on FOX NEWS, do you.

no, no i don't watch FOX news at all.

i consider it to be little more than a fairly thinly veiled propaganda channel / website. they're not exactly known for either their accuracy or their fairness. least trustworthy of all main stream media outlets -- and yes, they are definitely "mainstream / lamestream." don't kid yourself.

 

[PaulMack]

No wonder VCO you believe what you believe. You have been deceived by FOX news and the Government. Instead you need to take your eyes off of FOX and the Government and put them on God. Only God has the Truth, not FOX nor the Government.

What is interesting is its because of what the USA has done in the past that we have ISIS terrorists today.

If the USA only would have keep itself out of the problems in other countries we would not have the problem with ISIS today. We can lay the problem of ISIS at the feet of the USA.

 

[VCO]

See what I mean ^. He's a Reagan guy. The president that revamped the drug war and sent THOUSANDS of innocent lives to prison. Lol oh how I love the "you're just young" argument. No, I'm not young. America has gone through 3 wars since my birth. You've just been duped. No, sorry, I have never been in the military, because I'm not easily duped and used as a pawn to murder people for political gain. Sorry that I don't have the incredible insight of a pawn in the military.

If you take anything a president has to say seriously, you are probably gullible enough to vote for Trump or Hillary. Congrats.

And apparently you are gullible enough to swallow all the leftist Media propaganda out there. Oh, and I can tell you watch the News on CNN, and/or NBC. BUT hey, I certainly do want to THANK YOU, for helping me prove the main point of this thread. Your kind of logic, did not exist at all, when I was growing up.

Are you telling me you LIED about your age? If so, that was not very Christian of you.

Now your comment about me possibly voting for Hillary, was hitting below the belt. You KNOW I AM A DIE HARD CONSERVATIVE. Never in a thousand years would I vote for Hillary or any other Democrat. It is Not that she is a woman, it is that she is the worst female Candidate ever. I think the email scandal is only the very tip of the Iceburg. Now if I was to pick a Female that I would eagerly vote for as President, it would be

Judge Jeanine Pirro.​

 

[VCO]

Look I'm sorry for being harsh but if you really are 67, you come from a generation where America was a symbol of Christianity and morality. That stopped in the 60s and America has been on a path to Hell since. America no longer represents ANYTHING that it did when you were a kid. It is not a Christian nation. It is an Atheistic/Satanic one. It no longer caters to the Christian and never will again. It's time to abandon ship and accept that the American flag is nothing more than a cloth to wipe your feet on. Stop catering to a country that hates God and waving its flag.

Look into Anarchy.

Oh and I meant 4 wars since my birth in the last post.

I don't lie, I am 67. And you are part of the problem, and not part of solution.

I do have to ask, how godly do you think the Roman Ruler was in 56 A.D. when Paul wrote:

Romans 13: 1-8 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience' sake.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God's ministers attending continually to this very thing.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.


Even I had to look it up, but SURPRISE it was Emperor NERO who reigned from 54-68 A.D.

Thanks again for helping to prove my point, "Patriotism is dying in America."

 

[VCO]

no, no i don't watch FOX news at all.

i consider it to be little more than a fairly thinly veiled propaganda channel / website. they're not exactly known for either their accuracy or their fairness. least trustworthy of all main stream media outlets -- and yes, they are definitely "mainstream / lamestream." don't kid yourself.

Now that surprises me posthuman, but I am quite sure you know that does not change my opinion of FOX NEWS, with in my opinion is the most Fair and Balanced News source available today.