PATRIOTISM IS BIBLICAL, But Is It Dying In AMERICA?

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VCO

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That last video starts on song two by mistake. Back it up, to the beginning, as I want you to see the flute players, not the dancers.
 

posthuman

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And, now I suppose you are going to tell me Hillary is a saint and innocent of everything she is accused of.

WOW, the left wing media, got you but good.
you think anyone who doesn't associate FOX with Christianity supports Clinton?

. . and which propaganda machine put that idea in your head?
 
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What about George Bush VCO? He is a prime example of Fox lies and deceptions.
 
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Actually what really is dying in America is the Worshiping of Jesus as our God! This is more important!
 

VCO

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What about George Bush VCO? He is a prime example of Fox lies and deceptions.
As far as the WMDs, Saddam's poison gas shells reappeared, being used by Syrian President Bashar al-Assad against the rebel forces trying to over throw him.

Do you know how long it takes to Drive for Baghdad to the Syrian border?

Approximately 90 minutes.

NOW How long after the War started until we PUBLICALLY announce we knew where the WMDs might be located in Baghdad?

The War started on March 19, 2003.

Public announcement of "We know where the WMDs might be located in Baghdad", came on March 30, 2003.

When did our Troops first enter Baghad.

THAT WOULD BE, APRIL 5TH, 2003.

That would have given Saddam six days to move the weapons he did not want to be caught with to Syria.

When did Syrian President Bashar al-Assad use poison gas on the rebels, which is a weapon Saddam was famous for?

That would be Aug. 22, 2013, and NO BODY seems to even think, THERE IS PART OF THE MISSING WMDs.

NOW, do you not think that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad might be sitting on a whole lot more of Saddam WMDs?
 

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Actually what really is dying in America is the Worshiping of Jesus as our God! This is more important!


Jesus did not command that anyone worship him as God but to follow his example of how to properly worship in humility. Remember that Jesus washed the feet of his servants.
 

posthuman

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Jesus did not command that anyone worship him as God but to follow his example of how to properly worship in humility. Remember that Jesus washed the feet of his servants.

Jesus accepted worship.
no angel / messenger of God is ever recorded in all of scripture as tolerating even for a second being worshiped - though that is what it seems like the 'normal' human reaction to meeting an angel in his glory. but in every single case, the angel said immediately 'get up!' and that you should worship no one but God alone.

this is an evidence that Jesus the Christ is divine -- if He is from God, then He would not allow anyone to worship anyone or anything other than God alone without rebuke. so either He is not from God, or He is equally God.
 

posthuman

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. . & although Christ and His apostles teach that we should respect and honor our human governments, nowhere in scripture are we taught to place them in a position in our hearts above the things of God or of love for one another.

we are instead taught that we are citizens of another kingdom - of the Kingdom of God -- wholly separate from human governments. it is because of this citizenship, in heaven, that we respect the authorities that God has set in place on earth. this is true no matter what country He has seen fit to place you in: not because of that country ((as though USA is *higher* than any other nation)) but because it is respecting God, who sets up all authorities on earth.

Israel & Jerusalem alone are praised in the scripture, because this is the one nation and the one city chosen by God to bear His name. that has not changed. the USA - and i love her - is not a replacement for Israel.
many Americans have, for a couple hundred years now, considered the USA to be a 'replacement Israel' -- as though God has rejected His promises to her, and instead chosen the USA as His people. i reject that as utterly false and vain. that is 'nationalism' above respect for God, and borders on idolatry, IMHO.

is that "unpatriotic" ? then i am.
but i consider it patriotic -- because this country is founded on the freedom to worship your own God, and the freedom both to have and to freely express our own opinion, even if it is contrary to the opinion of the government.
people who protest wars are patriots too. people who protest the government are patriots too. people who do not venerate the flag of the USA are patriots too. all these are patriots because they are embracing the freedom that is the foundation of this nation: the freedom to disagree, and to express that disagreement in a peaceful way.
 

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But as shown in Galatians 3:29 all Christians are now heirs to the Promise which makes them Israelites as well. Therefore, it is Christians to observe the biblical patriotic holidays in the name of God.
 

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Jesus did not command that anyone worship him as God but to follow his example of how to properly worship in humility. Remember that Jesus washed the feet of his servants.

Colossians 1:16-18 (ESV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent.

Romans 1:18-22 (HCSB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For God’s wrath is revealed from heaven against all godlessness and unrighteousness of people who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth,
[SUP]19 [/SUP] since what can be known about God is evident among them, because God has shown it to them.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For His invisible attributes, that is, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen since the creation of the world, being understood through what He has made. As a result, people are without excuse.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For though they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God or show gratitude. Instead, their thinking became nonsense, and their senseless minds were darkened.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Claiming to be wise, they became fools
 

VCO

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If this picture brings tears to your eyes, then you KNOW PATRIOTISM.
If it does not, you may never know Patriotism.


 

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What about all the tears for the Native Americans???

What about Tears for the Black slaves???

Its not Patriotism that is lacking, its Love for one another that ALL are Children of God, not just the white people!
 

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There is a news item about some people playing the Pokemon game on the graves of veterans here in the Twin Cities (did not post the link because it contains abusive language). It is a shame that some people (admittedly few) have more regard for silly games than have respect for our deceased veterans.
 

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No one is going to put a flag of the nations in God's Hand.

If you believe because it is written to obey your leaders thta this means of the nations, you do not understand.

This law, and it is in the law, is in refernce to Israel, the original Israel It was a true theocracy, and the leaders referenced were the priesthood and the High Priest.

Since there is no true theocracy today, that is a nation devoted to Jesus Christ as King on earh, that particular LAW OF MOSES is no longer extant.,

Since the timeof the original Israel, we renter unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and unto God what is God.

As far as I know, Jesus has nothing to do with Caesar......
 

Vdp

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The dead are dead.

Why are you judging them?

If they want to play their games what is it to you?

Do you honor the dead Native Americans who were killed by veterans? No. Its a shame on this country.
 

JaumeJ

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God bless Native Americans. I have been taught that they knew the Gospel from the stars. I cannot say, but I know who the people were 600 year ago who lived in what is called teh Americas today...........
 

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God is not American. Refusing to pledge allegiance to the flag is not a sin. And Christians should not be pledging their allegiance to human institutions. My allegiance belongs to God. My patriotism is for his kingdom. Not America, not modern Germany, not Iraq, not North Korea, not Nazi Germany.
 

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I was wondering when this thread would be revived, with all of the national anthem protest stuff going on.
 

TheAristocat

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I was wondering when this thread would be revived, with all of the national anthem protest stuff going on.
I haven't been keeping up on it. Actually I was confronted with an opportunity to pledge allegiance to the flag not long ago and a friend of mine had some valuable insight regarding patriotism and Christianity that I picked up on. Nothing would make me more of a patriot than were my country to follow God. If my political leaders will not pledge allegiance to God, I will not pledge allegiance to the institution they foster. I appreciate America, and it's one of the best countries on Earth if not the best. Beyond that I have nothing more to say.