Rapture= false teaching

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danb

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I can see by these posts that your proably not going to change your mind.
I guess in any real sense it doesn't matter. I believe in the rapture and you don't.
Im sorry, but I think in this case giving you scripture won't make a difference.

Well that's ok, because only one point of view can be right. If Im right then we won't
be here to argue about it. And, if your right then it only means that I just have to wait
a little while longer to be with the Lord. Either way we win!

Spreading the message of Salvation, and trying to help each other in this world, through
prayer and counsil is the only thing that really matters.

Embrace the peace of our Lord: His peace surpasses all understanding.




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NoahsDad

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No prob Mohog.
As I said in my previous post,I rRefuse to cast anymore pearls,I gave you the links in a public forum ,if they really wat the truth then they have the tools offered to them inorder to find it.Good luck and God bless you all in your endevors
 
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Definition_Christ

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Thaddaeus said:
what do ye do with this my fellow Christian:

Mt 13:11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the MYSTERIES of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Lu 8:10And he said, Unto you it is given to know the MYSTERIES of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
1co 4:1Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the MYSTERIES of God.
1co 13:2And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all MYSTERIES, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.


there are mysteries within the word of God the very reason God used parables in the old testament , and Jesus used them in the new testament , you as a christian are suppose to see these mysteries in the word but for them the mysteries are not given. so when paul starts off as I would not have you to be ignorant Brother, this is something that they won't see , to say that there is not hidden /secret/deep things in the Word is just saying you know not the word

Ro 16:25Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the MYSTERY, which was kept secret since the world began,


1th 4:13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
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Amen to that
 
NoahsDad

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bygrace said:
I believe you are correct in saying He removed the righteous in total. But what did He do to the wicked? How many escaped in Noah's day and in Sodom? How long did they survive? That is the issue.
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I was addressing a Question asked Concerning "Who said the Holy Spirit was removed fron the earth B4 the trib,the answer was in the post by Greatkraw.......... Once the Holy Spirit(which is God's mark of ownership on Christians) is removed(including the Christians) God will be free to judge(the Tribulation) the entire world. See .GREATKrAW.page 13
I just posted the whole thing.
Sorry for the confusion
BTW .I Dont believe in a "Rapture" what so ever.
 
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bygrace

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NoahsDad said:
I was addressing a Question asked Concerning "Who said the Holy Spirit was removed fron the earth B4 the trib,the answer was in the post by Greatkraw.......... Once the Holy Spirit(which is God's mark of ownership on Christians) is removed(including the Christians) God will be free to judge(the Tribulation) the entire world. See .GREATKrAW.page 13
I just posted the whole thing.
Sorry for the confusion
BTW .I Dont believe in a "Rapture" what so ever.
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How are they removed if it is not the catching away?
 
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watchmen

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NoahsDad said:
BTW .I Dont believe in a "Rapture" what so ever.
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bygrace said:
How are they removed if it is not the catching away?
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I think Noahsdad is saying he doesn't believe in the teaching of a rapture as in the pretrib rapture? You do believe we are caught up at the coming of Christ changed into our immortal heavenly bodies? Right Noahsdasd?
 
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watchmen said:
I think Noahsdad is saying he doesn't believe in the teaching of a rapture as in the pretrib rapture? You do believe we are caught up at the coming of Christ changed into our immortal heavenly bodies? Right Noahsdasd?
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referr to my previous post to mahoganysnail......I gave you the tools to find out whos right and whos not,use them,
 
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danb

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The word rapture is not in the bible, but the concept is. Enoch and Elijah were taken to heaven without dieing.
The word used in the greek translation is Harpozo, to be caught up.

When you go to 2 Thes 2:1-3 you have to look at those verses 1-7 in two parts. Just as when Jesus was in Nazareth and he took the scroll and
read only part of Is 61. Because the 2nd part hasn't been fullfilled yet. The same thing applies to the verses in 2 thes. The same meaning in 1 thes.
I believe that the Rapture [harpozo] will take place. And that it will happen when the Anti-Christ is revealed,
but that doesn't mean that were going through the tribulation.

I know that many people believe the opposite view and thats ok. I won't call you a liar or push so hard that nobody listens. Either way we will be
with him. Please don't tell me Im not saved just because in this area we disagree. It's not your place too even question.

I respect the fact that you and I don't agree, it's ok. It's my view and it doesn't have to be yours.
The only thing that counts as christians is wheather or not we except the thruth about Jesus or not.

1. Was he born of a virgin? 2. Did he die for our sins?, 3. Did God raise him from the dead? 4. Did you repent and ask for forgiveness?,
If you answer no to any of these questions then you need to reexamine.
 
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danb

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The word rapture is not in the bible, but the concept is. Enoch and Elijah were taken to heaven without dieing.
The word used in the greek translation is Harpozo, to be caught up.

When you go to 2 Thes 2:1-3 you have to look at those verses 1-7 in two parts. Just as when Jesus was in Nazareth and he took the scroll and
read only part of Is 61. Because the 2nd part hasn't been fullfilled yet. The same thing applies to the verses in 2 thes. The same meaning in 1 thes.
I believe that the Rapture [harpozo] will take place. And that it will happen when the Anti-Christ is revealed,
but that doesn't mean that were going through the tribulation.

I know that many people believe the opposite view and thats ok. I won't call you a liar or push so hard that nobody listens. Either way we will be
with him. Please don't tell me Im not saved just because in this area we disagree. It's not your place too even question.

I respect the fact that you and I don't agree, it's ok. It's my view and it doesn't have to be yours.
The only thing that counts as christians is wheather or not we except the thruth about Jesus or not.

1. Was he born of a virgin? 2. Did he die for our sins?, 3. Did God raise him from the dead? 4. Did you repent and ask for forgiveness?,
If you answer no to any of these questions then you need to reexamine.


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danb

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sorry don't know how it put two on there
 
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watchmen

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NoahsDad said:
referr to my previous post to mahoganysnail......I gave you the tools to find out whos right and whos not,use them,
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I know who is right, and who is wrong. God is right and the pretribbers are wrong.
 
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Definition_Christ

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watchmen said:
I know who is right, and who is wrong. God is right and the pretribbers are wrong.
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2 Timothy 2
21 Therefore if anyone cleanses himself from the latter, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified and useful for the Master, prepared for every good work.
22 Flee also youthful lusts; but pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
23 But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife.
24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient,
25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,
26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.

Now.. This is talking about believers to unbelievers.. But, we can very well apply this for people who have a disagreement on certain views.

If Watchmen what you are saying is true, you do not present it in a very humble manner.
Although it isn't hard to tell Matthew 24 and 1 Thessalonians chapter 4 are two different events. But I suppose only the Lord can show you that if you humble yourself and want to know the truth.
 
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watchmen

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Definition_Christ said:
If Watchmen what you are saying is true, you do not present it in a very humble manner. Although it isn't hard to tell Matthew 24 and 1 Thessalonians chapter 4 are two different events. But I suppose only the Lord can show you that if you humble yourself and want to know the truth.
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It isn't hard to tell they are two separate events? The bible declares they are the same. Why would you think anything outside of what scripture tells us.
 
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Definition_Christ

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watchmen said:
It isn't hard to tell they are two separate events? The bible declares they are the same. Why would you think anything outside of what scripture tells us.
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Okay, just because a dog and a wolf have a lot in common, doesn't mean they are the same.
(Hope this doesn't turn into an evolution debate lol)
Just trying to point out.. Because two things have certain aspects in common doesn't mean they are the same. Matter of fact the bible NEVER says or "declares"... "They are the same", that is just man's speculation trying to figure something out. The bible DOESN'T say they are the same, they just have things in common.. So they are two different events.
 
MahogonySnail

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The bible never says they are two separate events. All pre-tribbers do is claim that Paul and Jesus speak of two different things, when in fact they are the same events.
 
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Definition_Christ

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So technically, all you can prove is that the two events have a lot in common. Jehovah's Witnesses claim that Yeshua and Michael the Archangel have a lot in common.. Do you know what they do? They say Yeshua IS Michael the Archangel!

Wow. I hope you don't make the same mistake just because there are similarities does not.. DOES NOT mean they are the same.

So.. The bible doesn't NEED to say they are two different events. It just needs to imply different aspects on one event or the other. Which it does.. One talks about HIS ANGELS GATHERING the other speaks of HIM HIMSELF GATHERING..
 
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Definition_Christ

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MahogonySnail said:
The bible never says they are two separate events. All pre-tribbers do is claim that Paul and Jesus speak of two different things, when in fact they are the same events.
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Yeah that whole, you can't prove a negative doesn't really work with Scripture. Because you can prove they have at least one different aspect. Meaning you do at least one evidence saying they are different. And absolutely no evidence saying or even hinting they are the same. A similarity doesn't count as evidence. It's just pointing out they "look the same, sound the same, but are NOT the same".
 
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