Real account of a sinner that stood directly before God...

[eternally-gratefull]

The messiah said what any loving father would do.

"I forgive you, (do not condemn you either) Go, and do not do this again.

He never said, If you do this again, I will kick you out of my family, and make you repent your way if you have any hope of getting back in again.

These lawyers do not give up. But they can not win, no matter how they try to twist things to make it sound good

GOD WINS,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The woman caught in adultery is for me one of the most moving passages in the gospels.

I am touched by the hypocracy of the teachers of the law, wanting to put up for question
the life of a person to trap Jesus, the woman herself and Jesus's reaction.

There is so much understanding of all the people.

I can't believe this, But I not only have to say a bug AMEN! but I am seriously contemplating giving you a rep.

 

[John146]

Why didn't the Lord ask this woman to believe in His death, burial and resurrection and she will be saved? Why didn't the Lord speak the gospel of grace to her? Maybe because it hadn't happened yet and the cross was being hid from man until after it happened.

 

[Zmouth]

either or.

While your at it. What was concidered true obedience to the law. which did not bring on the curse of the law?

True obedience was doing that which is good and right in his sight, by doing what LORD asks.

There is a tremendous difference between the Law and Word, for one the term 'Word' has four letters while the term 'Law' has three letters.

So what curse did the Law bring that the Word doesn't bring?

15 Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image, an abomination unto the LORD, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth it in a secret place. And all the people shall answer and say, Amen.
16 Cursed be he that setteth light by his father or his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen.
17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbour's landmark. And all the people shall say, Amen.
18 Cursed be he that maketh the blind to wander out of the way. And all the people shall say, Amen.
19 Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger, fatherless, and widow. And all the people shall say, Amen.
20 Cursed be he that lieth with his father's wife; because he uncovereth his father's skirt. And all the people shall say, Amen.
21 Cursed be he that lieth with any manner of beast. And all the people shall say, Amen.
22 Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen.
23 Cursed be he that lieth with his mother in law. And all the people shall say, Amen.
24 Cursed be he that smiteth his neighbour secretly. And all the people shall say, Amen.
25 Cursed be he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen.
26 Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.
Deut 27:15-26

As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Gal 1:9

 

[FreeNChrist]

There is a tremendous difference between the Law and Word, for one the term 'Word' has four letters while the term 'Law' has three letters.

Well, that was anti-climatic.....LOL.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

True obedience was doing that which is good and right in his sight, by doing what LORD asks.

There is a tremendous difference between the Law and Word, for one the term 'Word' has four letters while the term 'Law' has three letters.

So what curse did the Law bring that the Word doesn't bring?

15 Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image, an abomination unto the LORD, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth it in a secret place. And all the people shall answer and say, Amen.
16 Cursed be he that setteth light by his father or his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen.
17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbour's landmark. And all the people shall say, Amen.
18 Cursed be he that maketh the blind to wander out of the way. And all the people shall say, Amen.
19 Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger, fatherless, and widow. And all the people shall say, Amen.
20 Cursed be he that lieth with his father's wife; because he uncovereth his father's skirt. And all the people shall say, Amen.
21 Cursed be he that lieth with any manner of beast. And all the people shall say, Amen.
22 Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen.
23 Cursed be he that lieth with his mother in law. And all the people shall say, Amen.
24 Cursed be he that smiteth his neighbour secretly. And all the people shall say, Amen.
25 Cursed be he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen.
26 Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.
Deut 27:15-26

As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Gal 1:9

You missed it all together

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”

These words were quoted by Paul were spoken by moses when he gave Israel the law. When he got done, He told them all to make an oath. This was their requirement

And they all said amen, They agreed.

And no one kept it. Because no one could Why? It means every jott and tittle must be obeyed competely. Anyone who breaks even the least of all the commands is found guilty of the law. (see James)

what does the bible say? For all have sinned and fall short. How do we know? because we all have broken the law

oh by the way, What was the curse, "hang on a tree" is death..ie, what Jesus did when he took the curse of the law in our place

 

[Zmouth]

You missed it all together

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”

Ok, strike one...

And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.
Deut 8:3



12 And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
13 To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
Deut 10

Dang off the pitchers head and still clears the 410 fence in right field.....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ok, strike one...

And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.
Deut 8:3



12 And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
13 To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
Deut 10

Dang off the pitchers head and still clears the 410 fence in right field.....

lol.. You should not be so hasty to admit victory.

You did not prove my point in error.. Would you like to try again?

Oh, In case you were wondering.

Deuteronomy 27:26New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]26 [/SUP]‘Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’
“And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’

Moses did not studder, He demanded they confirm every word written in the law by observing every word (every jot and tittle) if they fell just once, they were cursed.

Which is exactly what paul said in Gal 3.

Next??

 

[Zmouth]

lol.. You should not be so hasty to admit victory.

You did not prove my point in error.. Would you like to try again?

Oh, In case you were wondering.

Deuteronomy 27:26New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]26 [/SUP]‘Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’
“And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’

Moses did not studder, He demanded they confirm every word written in the law by observing every word (every jot and tittle) if they fell just once, they were cursed.

Which is exactly what paul said in Gal 3.

Next??

Live by the law you read and I will live by the Word I heard, but which one of the that you read in that passage did you have a problem with??

But if I could ask, if it was verse 22 please be discrete since that would be off topic to bring that up ok?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Live by the law you read and I will live by the Word I heard, but which one of the that you read in that passage did you have a problem with??

But if I could ask, if it was verse 22 please be discrete since that would be off topic to bring that up ok?

I will live as God told me too.

I can't live his law. Because he demanded perfection.. If you think you can do this, then by all means feel free.. As for me.. Again, I will do what Christ said,

Love, Fulfills the law..

However, I admit, I can not love perfectly. Sometimes people in here make me so angry with how they portray God I sin.. So I can not fulfill the law..

That's why I need grace,, Because without it, I am cursed.

why?

Cursed is everyone who does not confirm every word written by obeying them. or as james said, I can keep every aspect of the law. But if I fall in one area, I am guilty of the whole law (thus I am cursed)
vs 22? I looked at your post and mine, there was not a verse 22.. so not sure what you mean.

 

[JGIG]

There are so many points to see here. Can anyone give me a Levitical or Mosaic law for REPEATED SIN? Anyone? This is not a trick question, but I tried and I can't find any.

The Law required the death penalty for many offenses - no opportunity for repeating those sins!

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

Seems to me,, .. and I'm no Einstein, but on the topic of fathers, in the area of love and grace.

If father "A" says to his child, I love you. Go and do anything you want. There are no rules in this house.

and father "B" says to his child, I love you, but you have to learn my rules. I know more than you do and I want to protect you.

which father is demonstrating more love and grace?

Grace teaches us to say no to ungodliness, it doesn't throw the Law at us.

And isn't it interesting that the definitive passage about love fails to even mention the Law . . .

(See Titus 2 and 1 Cor. 13)

-JGIG

 

[PeterJens]

The messiah said what any loving father would do.

"I forgive you, (do not condemn you either) Go, and do not do this again.

He never said, If you do this again, I will kick you out of my family, and make you repent your way if you have any hope of getting back in again.

These lawyers do not give up. But they can not win, no matter how they try to twist things to make it sound good

GOD WINS,

Now above is a lot of addition.
Jesus did not forgive the woman, He did not judge her for her sin.
He said do not sin, a general statement, about everything, not do not do this again,
which is a particular statement.

So why all this addition. Walking in the light is different from walking in darkness.

 

[PeterJens]

What I never understand is the idea of the law being anything more than a set of
standards. It is like saying seeing a high jump bar makes you want to try and jump
over it.

The principles behind the law are Gods character and personality. It is why David and
many others were staggard by and interested in the law and how it worked.

But for many to even think about brings them under condemnation. I do not understand
this. So when Jesus says love your enemies, does this condemn you as a sinner or
encourage you to know what this means and find new ways to express this love.

If you spend no time reading and contemplating Jesus's commands how can you know
what they are and follow them. I would suggest these believers flee from commands
out of the fear of condemnation and live in this belief they know what Jesus meant
without properly working it through in their lives.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Think of it as a hole in a solid wood fence along a sidewalk with the message "do not look through the hole " written above it, and you will have a proper picture of how it works.

 

[Zmouth]

I will live as God told me too.

I can't live his law. Because he demanded perfection.. If you think you can do this, then by all means feel free.. As for me..

True, you can't walk in truth if you say you can't, like in golf, if you say your going to have a bad day then you have already set in your mind and soul that your going to have a bad day....

Because he demanded perfection?

Deut 18:10-1310 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
13 Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.

What I see these things have in common us that they are based upon deception, falsehoods and lies. And it is also written to let the LORD drive the them out, which seems would indicate not to use intimidation, harassment or outright persecution intentionally directed at those who are walking contrary to the truth that bears witness with our soul.

Again, I will do what Christ said,

Exactly, and I am not saying your aren't, I hope you aren't construing our conversation as me preaching to you what you have to do but rather and exchange of our own personal testimony which based upon our own convictions.

I am only seeing what I might be misunderstanding since it is written in Matthew 5:48,

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

It seems to me honesty would be one of the prerequisites of the LORD who is described as the the God of truth in the OT.

 

[AbigailZeke]

The Law required the death penalty for many offenses - no opportunity for repeating those sins!

-JGIG

Exactly. When the Jews committed sin under the law, they had their sin and trespass offerings. Nowhere in the law it is mentioned that if the sin is repeated, there's another or a bigger offering. Those who study the law should know this. No matter how many times they sinned, they were always covered by blood of bulls, pigeons, etc. Isn't the law a shadow of what was to come? Jesus came. JESUS CAME. This is the gospel. This is the good news.

Does God love us less when we sin again and again? Unless that sin is greater the the blood of the Son of God, no.

I take offense when people think they have to make it up to God when they sin, or sin repeatedly. They make God sound like He can't make up His mind.

 

[disciplemike]

Does God love us less when we sin again and again? Unless that sin is greater the the blood of the Son of God, no.

I take offense when people think they have to make it up to God when they sin, or sin repeatedly. They make God sound like He can't make up His mind.

In my opinion, the problem with that way of thinking - it teaches people to live any way they want.
They don't have to worry about lust, temptation, etc. It just doesn't matter, if you believe that line of thinking.
It is like saying, who cares what sin you do? Teach them that no sin is greater than God's ability to forgive.
it is madness to even present it that way. It encourages lawlessness.

 

[Grace777x70]

In my opinion, the problem with that way of thinking - it teaches people to live any way they want.
They don't have to worry about lust, temptation, etc. It just doesn't matter, if you believe that line of thinking.
It is like saying, who cares what sin you do? Teach them that no sin is greater than God's ability to forgive.
it is madness to even present it that way. It encourages lawlessness.

The truth is that learning about the true gospel of Christ and how that we are free from sin and not under the law of Moses anymore - that we are a new creation created in righteousness and holiness in Christ - this knowledge activates the life of Christ in us to walk out what is already in us in the new creation in Christ.

We can trust the Holy Spirit in us to lead us - we can trust the life of Christ in us - we can trust the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus - we can trust the law of love - we can trust the law of Christ Himself in us.

I know - it's counterintuitive but the kingdom of God operates on different principles than on this earth. We can trust the life and love and grace of God in our lives because we are in Christ.

 

[Zmouth]

Jesus did not forgive the woman, He did not judge her for her sin.
He said do not sin, a general statement, about everything, not do not do this again,

That is good point, especially since someone previously mentioned that the scribes and Pharisees had rocks in their hands. If the Holy Spirit lead them to that utterance then it one has to recall what the devil had said to Jesus in the wilderness regarding turning the stone into bread.

If I recall correctly the devil took him high into the firmament and showed him all the kingdoms at one time which they say is impossible but if it is then maybe it is possible that Jesus turned those rocks into bread when he told them she was a Roman and if they didn't want her to say anything to the Roman authorities then let's see if all the kingdom could even possibly been seen at one time from under



5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
8 And Jesus answered