The confusion remark and commentary is directly in response to your having stated perhaps the 7th day is not over. That would be confusion for readers who have always known the description in the Word of the seven days as given by Yahweh, God. It was not a personal attack, it simply related to what you have posted. If it were a personal attack it certainly would not have been "kind words" as you have said. Yahweh, God, bless you with all love and understanding, amen.
Sabbath: The Lord's Day
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Revelation 14:7
(7) Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Exodus 20:11
(11) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Revelation 14:7 comes from the sabbath commandment. Seven is mentioned quite often in Revelation. Why did God have seven so often in the book of Revelation?
(7) Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Exodus 20:11
(11) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Revelation 14:7 comes from the sabbath commandment. Seven is mentioned quite often in Revelation. Why did God have seven so often in the book of Revelation?
The New Covenant was made with Abraham when Yahweh, God, promised him that his descendants would possess the Gate of their enemies. What people oft times refer to as the Old Covenant is the ceremonial laws given to Moses, and many include the Ten Commandments as null and void, however this should not be since none of the Ten Commandments are contrary to the two great laws of Love. Yahweh, God, is love, amen.
The following illustrates from the Word the New Testament to Abraham:
Gen 22:17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;
Gen 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.
And as this were not enough, the following is the blessing bestowed upon Rebekah upon her departure from her family in Aram(Syria):
Gen 24:59 And they sent away Rebekah their sister, and her nurse, and Abraham's servant, and his men.
Gen 24:60 And they blessed Rebekah, and said unto her, Thou art our sister, be thou the mother of thousands of millions, and let thy seed possess the gate of those which hate them.
Mankind will teach whatever it will in the myriad of theologies under the auspices of Christianity, however the Word of Yahweh, God, always stands.
The following illustrates from the Word the New Testament to Abraham:
Gen 22:17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;
Gen 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.
And as this were not enough, the following is the blessing bestowed upon Rebekah upon her departure from her family in Aram(Syria):
Gen 24:59 And they sent away Rebekah their sister, and her nurse, and Abraham's servant, and his men.
Gen 24:60 And they blessed Rebekah, and said unto her, Thou art our sister, be thou the mother of thousands of millions, and let thy seed possess the gate of those which hate them.
Mankind will teach whatever it will in the myriad of theologies under the auspices of Christianity, however the Word of Yahweh, God, always stands.
Not really the response I was looking for, but I guess my statements before my questions proked this response, which is understandable.
I don't really want to delve into this, I'd prefer to save it for a different thread, but the 10 commandments can stand alone AS the old covenant. The scriptures show that plainly, but I'll write up a different thread on that when I have time.
I'd just like to see if anyone will address the questions that I posed for now.
I don't really want to delve into this, I'd prefer to save it for a different thread, but the 10 commandments can stand alone AS the old covenant. The scriptures show that plainly, but I'll write up a different thread on that when I have time.
I'd just like to see if anyone will address the questions that I posed for now.
Jesus, Yeshua, our Master teaches anyone who diminishes one of the laws will be least in the Kingdom. In the Book, Revelation, it is taught to obey commandments:
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
The Word of Yahweh, God, and it cannot be refuted by any theology or theory of men.
It states plainly to keep the commandments of Yahweh, God, always in the faith of Jesus, Yeshua. If you read before and after the quote it is even more adamant on keeping the commandments. Jesus, Yeshua, does not lie, nor does His and Our Holy Father, amen.
Now to say the Ten Commandments are null and void, even though they fit perfectly into the two great laws of Love, after being made aware of the Word is simply apostasy, and that is a great sin, it is the sin of the great whore.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
The Word of Yahweh, God, and it cannot be refuted by any theology or theory of men.
It states plainly to keep the commandments of Yahweh, God, always in the faith of Jesus, Yeshua. If you read before and after the quote it is even more adamant on keeping the commandments. Jesus, Yeshua, does not lie, nor does His and Our Holy Father, amen.
Now to say the Ten Commandments are null and void, even though they fit perfectly into the two great laws of Love, after being made aware of the Word is simply apostasy, and that is a great sin, it is the sin of the great whore.
Let us not be frivolous about Jesus, Yeshua. He teaches plainly to obey the commandments. He teaches plainly there is NO commandment against doing good any day of the week. The seventh day is to be set aside to rest and pass intimate time with our Father. This is good, not bad. We do it because it also falls under the two great laws of love. None of this is difficult or hidden in dark sayings; it is simply put, and children understand. It is not good to get caught up in what is falsely called knowledge for it can in no manner stand in the fire to come.
1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, guard that which is committed unto thee, turning away from the profane babblings and oppositions of the knowledge which is falsely so called;
1Ti 6:21 which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with you.
2Pe 2:1 But there arose false prophets also among the people, as among you also there shall be false teachers, who shall privily bring in destructive heresies, denying even the Master that bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.
1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, guard that which is committed unto thee, turning away from the profane babblings and oppositions of the knowledge which is falsely so called;
1Ti 6:21 which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with you.
2Pe 2:1 But there arose false prophets also among the people, as among you also there shall be false teachers, who shall privily bring in destructive heresies, denying even the Master that bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.
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There is a thread on the covenant if you wish to have a look
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/37502-covenant.html#post635652
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/37502-covenant.html#post635652
Again the Ten Commandments fit perfectly in the two great laws of Love, which Jesus, Yeshua, gave before His crucifixion, so what are you trying to say here? If you are saying the Ten Commandments are not to be followed, you are saying the Laws of Love are null and void also, and this is contrary to the teachings of Yeshua, Jesus, which, by the way permeate the Old Testament.
Now Laodicea has informed you there is a thread on this subject, unless you wish to start a new thread.
Now Laodicea has informed you there is a thread on this subject, unless you wish to start a new thread.
I was just asking for some new covenant scriptures that commanded sabbath observance. Apparently sabbath observance was never command under the new covenant. No one seems to be able to provide any new covenant scriptures for it.
That's what I was saying. Yes, it sounds like a new thread addressing the covenants on a broad scale and the differing commands between the covenants would help make sense of a lot of this.
That's what I was saying. Yes, it sounds like a new thread addressing the covenants on a broad scale and the differing commands between the covenants would help make sense of a lot of this.
If you read what Yeshua, Jesus, teaches on the commandments, perhaps you will understand. If you do not understand Him, I am afraid I am preaching in the desert. I will say this in plain words. He teaches to obey the commandments, and not one jot or tiddle will pass away, heaven and earth may pass away, but they will not. There is nothing new and nothing old here, it is the cosistent Word of Yahweh, God, Which IS Our Savior.
I've read what Jesus taught on the commandments. He was teaching under the old covenant that hadn't been fullfilled yet, which is why he also commanded animal sacrifice (Matthew 8:4). So, at that time...not one jot or tiddle had passed from the law. Jesus said the law would pass away once all was fulfilled, which it was fullfilled, and that is why we are no longer obligated to honor animal sacrifices even though it was something that Jesus commanded. Jesus said His words would by no means pass away (Matthew 24:35), but He did not say the same about the law...in fact He said that the law would pass away when all was fulfilled (Matthew 5:18).
From what I've seen so far, I am understanding Him and you are "plainly" telling me things that contradict Jesus' own words.
That's why I've been asking anyone who holds to the idea that we are all are under the old covenant and are supposed to observe the sabbath to provide new covenant scripture that identifies that new covenant believers are supposed to observe the sabbath. So far, no one has been able to provided any new covenant commands for the practice.
From what I've seen so far, I am understanding Him and you are "plainly" telling me things that contradict Jesus' own words.
That's why I've been asking anyone who holds to the idea that we are all are under the old covenant and are supposed to observe the sabbath to provide new covenant scripture that identifies that new covenant believers are supposed to observe the sabbath. So far, no one has been able to provided any new covenant commands for the practice.
If you hear the Master, He teaches, if you believe Moses and the prophets you would believe Me because they wrote about Me. The so-called old covenant is only upon those who are visually hampered in seeing Yeshua, Jesus, in what is called the Old Testament, the veil of Moses. The covenant was made to Abraham, the promise of the Gate of his enemies. That Gate is Yeshua, Jesus. Yes we are under grace, but this is by no means license to sin, and sin has its power in the law. Yes we are free of the law because we are free to do good of our own free will, but when we infringe the commandments of Yahweh, God, it is sin, we are forgiven. As for punitive and ceremonial laws, those cannot be observed because there is no Temple........nor will there be until the Chief and the Corner Stone returns to rebuild His Temple with we living stones. I truly hope you will not think this also some kind of covenant. Too many people are hung up on old and new testaments or covenants, but I would like anyone to deny the covenant of Yeshua, Jesus, which was made with Abraham, and later in a blessing upon Rachel. This being so, the only old covenant would be those blinded by the veil of Moses.
and since anyone can see how ridiculous that is, why do just toss Jesus to the side and make a day of the week the basis on which one is made acceptable to God.
this is outrageous.
i looked at an anti-catholicism thread that went on and on, with people banned for repeatedly pushing rcc doctrine. yet this SDA religion which desires more than anything to be accepted as 'evangelical' while being nothing more than judaism continues.
a little leaven leavens the entire lump.
Matthew 11 28 Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.
John 7 37 On the last and greatest day of the Feast, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice, "If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink.
this is outrageous.
i looked at an anti-catholicism thread that went on and on, with people banned for repeatedly pushing rcc doctrine. yet this SDA religion which desires more than anything to be accepted as 'evangelical' while being nothing more than judaism continues.
a little leaven leavens the entire lump.
Matthew 11 28 Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.
John 7 37 On the last and greatest day of the Feast, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice, "If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink.
anyone who follows these false teachers will have only themselves to blame.
paul cursed the judaizers, and christians had better determine WHY.
if the Holy Spirit is not testifying to christians that these false teachers have slipped in unawares, there is a very serious problem.
paul cursed the judaizers, and christians had better determine WHY.
if the Holy Spirit is not testifying to christians that these false teachers have slipped in unawares, there is a very serious problem.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/47438-what-noahide-laws.html#post766093
PHARISEES' TALMUDIC LAW # 7 Mankind is commanded to establish courts of justice and a just social order to enforce the first six laws and enact any other useful laws or customs.
In Judaism, the Seven Laws of Noah (Hebrew: שבע מצוות בני נח‎ Sheva mitzvot B'nei Noach) form the major part of the Noachide Laws, or Noahide Code.[1] This code is a set of moral imperatives that, according to the Talmud, were given by God[2] as a binding set of laws for the "children of Noah" – that is, all of mankind.[3][4] According to religious Judaism, any non-Jew who lives according to these laws is regarded as a righteous gentile, and is assured of a place in the world to come (Olam Haba), the final reward of the righteous
Punishment
The Talmud laid down the statutory punishment for transgressing any one of the Seven Laws of Noah (but not other parts of the Noahide code) as capital punishment [23] by decapitation, which is considered one of the lightest[24] of the four modes of execution of criminals. According to some opinions, punishment is the same whether the individual transgresses with knowledge of the law or is ignorant of the law.[25]
Noahide laws - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
john's warning against the gnostic heretics most certain can be applied to the judaizers as well.
2 John 1 10If anyone comes to your meeting and does not teach the truth about Christ, don't invite that person into your home or give any kind of encouragement.
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Welcome Lawoflove. May the Lord bless you!
The man who was cured took up the bed and walked but the Lord Jesus was accused of that because the author of Life and Law had commanded the man to do so. I never said that the Lord sinned but His understanding and interpretation of the law & the commandments was totally different from what the Jews understood it. If both Jesus and the Jews understood and interpreted the same way then there wouldn't have been any contradiction between them but we see that that was not the case.
Heb 4:1-11 does talk about the rest, which is of the seventh day, which is the sabbath day.
Esp:
Hebrews 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
What would you do if you want to be diligent or zealous? We know that faith without works is dead. If I say that I am diligent without proving it by works, then my words are nothing. In the same way I think, love without labour is dead and so is hope without patience. If we do not prove ourselves in deed then these fruit of the Spirit are nothing on their own; for we are known by our fruits. Jesus did not just sit in heaven with His qualities but proved what He is, though it was not necessary. He showed in His deeds how to love, to forgive, to have faith in God, to have patience and so on. That is how we have to work out our salvation in fear and trembling and also that is how we labour to enter into His rest. faith and work go hand and hand. One cannot do without another.
May the Lord bless you and keep you.
The man who was cured took up the bed and walked but the Lord Jesus was accused of that because the author of Life and Law had commanded the man to do so. I never said that the Lord sinned but His understanding and interpretation of the law & the commandments was totally different from what the Jews understood it. If both Jesus and the Jews understood and interpreted the same way then there wouldn't have been any contradiction between them but we see that that was not the case.
Heb 4:1-11 does talk about the rest, which is of the seventh day, which is the sabbath day.
Esp:
Hebrews 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
What would you do if you want to be diligent or zealous? We know that faith without works is dead. If I say that I am diligent without proving it by works, then my words are nothing. In the same way I think, love without labour is dead and so is hope without patience. If we do not prove ourselves in deed then these fruit of the Spirit are nothing on their own; for we are known by our fruits. Jesus did not just sit in heaven with His qualities but proved what He is, though it was not necessary. He showed in His deeds how to love, to forgive, to have faith in God, to have patience and so on. That is how we have to work out our salvation in fear and trembling and also that is how we labour to enter into His rest. faith and work go hand and hand. One cannot do without another.
May the Lord bless you and keep you.
Thank you for you reply
My meaning about Jesus was just conveying that he was showing us how to keep the Sabbath. That Gods laws teach us that its not bad to help someone on the Sabbath.
The thing is with Heb 4:4 Is that he was not teaching them to keep the Sabbath he was speaking to the Jews so he was only using the Sabbath to compare but his argument was not teaching the Sabbath its self. They already knew the Sabbath. So he was teaching about spiritual rest.
Verse 9 states the conclusion, already alluded to in v. 6. drawn from the line of argument begun in v. 3 to prove the assertions of vs. 1, 3. This line of argument may be set forth
1. As originally made to ancient Israel God’s promised “rest” included: (a) permanent settlement in the land of Canaan, (b) a transformation of character that would make the nation a fit representative of the principles of God’s kingdom, and (c) the role of being God’s chosen instrument for the salvation of the world
2. The generation to whom the promise of “rest” was originally made failed to enter the land of Canaan because of unbelief (see on ch. 3:19).
3. Joshua did led the next generation into the land that had been promised (see on ch. 3:11), but because they were spiritually stiff-necked he could not lead them into the spiritual “rest” God intended them to find there (see on ch. 4:7, 8).
4. The same promise had been repeated in the days of David (v. 7). This was evidence that Israel had not, at that time, entered into the spiritual “rest,” and also that their failure to do so in the days of Moses and Joshua had not invalidated the original promise.
5. The ultimate accomplishment of God’s purposes is certain, despite the failure of successive generations (see on vs. 3, 4).
6. The writer’s earnest plea to God’s people of apostolic times to “enter into that rest” (vs. 11, 16) is further evidence that the invitation remained valid and that God’s people, as a group, had not truly entered into that “rest” even in apostolic times.
7. Accordingly, the promise of, and invitation to enter into, God’s spiritual “rest” remains valid (vs. 6, 9), and Christians should “labour therefore to enter into that rest” (v. 11).
It should be noted that the “rest” that remained in Christian times was the spiritual “rest” originally promised to literal Israel (see on v. 3). Obviously, what remains must have been there to begin with.
Just by the word you can not learn if this is talking about the Sabbath day only by context can you see this
1. Because Joshua could not lead Israel into spiritual “rest” (katapausis, v. 8), a sabbatismos (v. 9) remains for Christians. Consistency seems to require that what remains be the same as what was there to begin with. Because Joshua did not lead literal Israel into spiritual “rest” would be no reason for the Christian to observe the Sabbath.
2. From vs. 1, 6 it is clear that what remains for the people of God in New Testament times is a katapausis; in v. 9 it is said that a sabbatismos remains. To declare that what remains for “the people of God” is the weekly Sabbath, is to declare that what Joshua failed to lead Israel into was the weekly Sabbath.
My meaning about Jesus was just conveying that he was showing us how to keep the Sabbath. That Gods laws teach us that its not bad to help someone on the Sabbath.
The thing is with Heb 4:4 Is that he was not teaching them to keep the Sabbath he was speaking to the Jews so he was only using the Sabbath to compare but his argument was not teaching the Sabbath its self. They already knew the Sabbath. So he was teaching about spiritual rest.
Verse 9 states the conclusion, already alluded to in v. 6. drawn from the line of argument begun in v. 3 to prove the assertions of vs. 1, 3. This line of argument may be set forth
1. As originally made to ancient Israel God’s promised “rest” included: (a) permanent settlement in the land of Canaan, (b) a transformation of character that would make the nation a fit representative of the principles of God’s kingdom, and (c) the role of being God’s chosen instrument for the salvation of the world
2. The generation to whom the promise of “rest” was originally made failed to enter the land of Canaan because of unbelief (see on ch. 3:19).
3. Joshua did led the next generation into the land that had been promised (see on ch. 3:11), but because they were spiritually stiff-necked he could not lead them into the spiritual “rest” God intended them to find there (see on ch. 4:7, 8).
4. The same promise had been repeated in the days of David (v. 7). This was evidence that Israel had not, at that time, entered into the spiritual “rest,” and also that their failure to do so in the days of Moses and Joshua had not invalidated the original promise.
5. The ultimate accomplishment of God’s purposes is certain, despite the failure of successive generations (see on vs. 3, 4).
6. The writer’s earnest plea to God’s people of apostolic times to “enter into that rest” (vs. 11, 16) is further evidence that the invitation remained valid and that God’s people, as a group, had not truly entered into that “rest” even in apostolic times.
7. Accordingly, the promise of, and invitation to enter into, God’s spiritual “rest” remains valid (vs. 6, 9), and Christians should “labour therefore to enter into that rest” (v. 11).
It should be noted that the “rest” that remained in Christian times was the spiritual “rest” originally promised to literal Israel (see on v. 3). Obviously, what remains must have been there to begin with.
Just by the word you can not learn if this is talking about the Sabbath day only by context can you see this
1. Because Joshua could not lead Israel into spiritual “rest” (katapausis, v. 8), a sabbatismos (v. 9) remains for Christians. Consistency seems to require that what remains be the same as what was there to begin with. Because Joshua did not lead literal Israel into spiritual “rest” would be no reason for the Christian to observe the Sabbath.
2. From vs. 1, 6 it is clear that what remains for the people of God in New Testament times is a katapausis; in v. 9 it is said that a sabbatismos remains. To declare that what remains for “the people of God” is the weekly Sabbath, is to declare that what Joshua failed to lead Israel into was the weekly Sabbath.
Here is the whole context of what was said. Read it again cenallen
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