Sabbath: The Lord's Day
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For what it's worth, this "sabbath" that I am currently observing, has been a very relaxing day compared to the previous week, and I can truly feel that not only am I choosing to rest, but that my Father is giving me a greater rest than normal, and because I'm way overdue. This morning, a very unpleasant ongoing situation that I'm involved in, took a definitive break for the following month starting today. That means I can turn my attention at least spiritually to feast of trumpets. And I also believe I will get an "extension" for feast of tabernacles. I witness to being blessed by keeping it.
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Yes, in spiritual sense the seventh day should not have an end. I am yet to get an answer from you about 'the evening and the morning were the seventh day', which should show the end of seventh day. But your keeping of Sabbath shows the end of the seventh day. But as for me, I am waiting for the Sabbath Day that will never end, which has no night because there is no sun. The Lord Himself shall be the light and that day will be in heaven, in His Kingdom. Yes, there are seven days in a week as we all know it; this is according to the earthly knowledge but what I am talking about is spiritual. If you are spiritual, you could have understood it.
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Thank you for you reply 
My meaning about Jesus was just conveying that he was showing us how to keep the Sabbath. That Gods laws teach us that its not bad to help someone on the Sabbath.
The thing is with Heb 4:4 Is that he was not teaching them to keep the Sabbath he was speaking to the Jews so he was only using the Sabbath to compare but his argument was not teaching the Sabbath its self. They already knew the Sabbath. So he was teaching about spiritual rest.
Verse 9 states the conclusion, already alluded to in v. 6. drawn from the line of argument begun in v. 3 to prove the assertions of vs. 1, 3. This line of argument may be set forth
1. As originally made to ancient Israel God’s promised “rest” included: (a) permanent settlement in the land of Canaan, (b) a transformation of character that would make the nation a fit representative of the principles of God’s kingdom, and (c) the role of being God’s chosen instrument for the salvation of the world (see Vol. IV, pp. 26–30; see on ch. 3:11).
2. The generation to whom the promise of “rest” was originally made failed to enter the land of Canaan because of unbelief (see on ch. 3:19).
3. Joshua did led the next generation into the land that had been promised (see on ch. 3:11), but because they were spiritually stiff-necked he could not lead them into the spiritual “rest” God intended them to find there (see on ch. 4:7, 8).
4. The same promise had been repeated in the days of David (v. 7). This was evidence that Israel had not, at that time, entered into the spiritual “rest,” and also that their failure to do so in the days of Moses and Joshua had not invalidated the original promise.
5. The ultimate accomplishment of God’s purposes is certain, despite the failure of successive generations (see on vs. 3, 4).
6. The writer’s earnest plea to God’s people of apostolic times to “enter into that rest” (vs. 11, 16) is further evidence that the invitation remained valid and that God’s people, as a group, had not truly entered into that “rest” even in apostolic times.
7. Accordingly, the promise of, and invitation to enter into, God’s spiritual “rest” remains valid (vs. 6, 9), and Christians should “labour therefore to enter into that rest” (v. 11).
It should be noted that the “rest” that remained in Christian times was the spiritual “rest” originally promised to literal Israel (see on v. 3). Obviously, what remains must have been there to begin with.
Just by the word you can not learn if this is talking about the Sabbath day only by context can you see this
1. Because Joshua could not lead Israel into spiritual “rest” (katapausis, v. 8), a sabbatismos (v. 9) remains for Christians. Consistency seems to require that what remains be the same as what was there to begin with. Because Joshua did not lead literal Israel into spiritual “rest” would be no reason for the Christian to observe the Sabbath.
2. From vs. 1, 6 it is clear that what remains for the people of God in New Testament times is a katapausis; in v. 9 it is said that a sabbatismos remains. To declare that what remains for “the people of God” is the weekly Sabbath, is to declare that what Joshua failed to lead Israel into was the weekly Sabbath.
My meaning about Jesus was just conveying that he was showing us how to keep the Sabbath. That Gods laws teach us that its not bad to help someone on the Sabbath.
The thing is with Heb 4:4 Is that he was not teaching them to keep the Sabbath he was speaking to the Jews so he was only using the Sabbath to compare but his argument was not teaching the Sabbath its self. They already knew the Sabbath. So he was teaching about spiritual rest.
Verse 9 states the conclusion, already alluded to in v. 6. drawn from the line of argument begun in v. 3 to prove the assertions of vs. 1, 3. This line of argument may be set forth
1. As originally made to ancient Israel God’s promised “rest” included: (a) permanent settlement in the land of Canaan, (b) a transformation of character that would make the nation a fit representative of the principles of God’s kingdom, and (c) the role of being God’s chosen instrument for the salvation of the world (see Vol. IV, pp. 26–30; see on ch. 3:11).
2. The generation to whom the promise of “rest” was originally made failed to enter the land of Canaan because of unbelief (see on ch. 3:19).
3. Joshua did led the next generation into the land that had been promised (see on ch. 3:11), but because they were spiritually stiff-necked he could not lead them into the spiritual “rest” God intended them to find there (see on ch. 4:7, 8).
4. The same promise had been repeated in the days of David (v. 7). This was evidence that Israel had not, at that time, entered into the spiritual “rest,” and also that their failure to do so in the days of Moses and Joshua had not invalidated the original promise.
5. The ultimate accomplishment of God’s purposes is certain, despite the failure of successive generations (see on vs. 3, 4).
6. The writer’s earnest plea to God’s people of apostolic times to “enter into that rest” (vs. 11, 16) is further evidence that the invitation remained valid and that God’s people, as a group, had not truly entered into that “rest” even in apostolic times.
7. Accordingly, the promise of, and invitation to enter into, God’s spiritual “rest” remains valid (vs. 6, 9), and Christians should “labour therefore to enter into that rest” (v. 11).
It should be noted that the “rest” that remained in Christian times was the spiritual “rest” originally promised to literal Israel (see on v. 3). Obviously, what remains must have been there to begin with.
Just by the word you can not learn if this is talking about the Sabbath day only by context can you see this
1. Because Joshua could not lead Israel into spiritual “rest” (katapausis, v. 8), a sabbatismos (v. 9) remains for Christians. Consistency seems to require that what remains be the same as what was there to begin with. Because Joshua did not lead literal Israel into spiritual “rest” would be no reason for the Christian to observe the Sabbath.
2. From vs. 1, 6 it is clear that what remains for the people of God in New Testament times is a katapausis; in v. 9 it is said that a sabbatismos remains. To declare that what remains for “the people of God” is the weekly Sabbath, is to declare that what Joshua failed to lead Israel into was the weekly Sabbath.
So what Jesus was doing was good through out the days of the week and therefore He had no reason to cease to do good works on the Sabbath day. Then, why did God rest on the seventh day from all His works during creation? Were His works not good enough in these six days that He had to cease on the Sabbath day?
In Heb 4, Paul was teaching to the Hebrews about spiritual Sabbath, the day of eternal rest and because of their unbelief they could not enter into this rest.
Hebrews 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Yes, the promise that was made to Israel is given unto us in Spirit. Those are all the shadows of the things that are to come. Look at Adam, he is the shadow of our Adam, even Jesus Christ. Look at Eve, she is the Bride, the Church. Look at the garden of Eden, it is the place we will live with our Bride Groom and where there is a Tree of Life. This will be the seventh day which will never end. This is the Eternal Rest that God is talking about and in which the people of the OT failed to enter because of their unbelief. But we who believe in Jesus Christ, do enter into this Eternal Rest by FAITH. So we labour to enter into that spiritual Sabbath, the Eternal Rest which is in heaven.
No one, to begin with Adam, had entered into this rest. It was only through Jesus Christ, they have entered now. The Lord God, when He made the heaven and earth, wanted Adam and Eve to live with Him for eternity, because He Himself is Life and to depart from Him is death. Therefore He commanded, if they ate of the forbidden fruit, they would surely die, that is be separate from God, that is never going to live (Eternal Life) with Him. This is His rest, not man's. We are entering into His rest. Remember, man had not worked so that man was supposed to into his (man's) rest. It was God who worked and Adam was supposed to enter into His (God's) rest. Similarly, it is Jesus who worked and we are entering into His Eternal Rest.
Kindly, see the OT in spiritual perspective, then the thing will become clearer instead of being legal (as some people are) of keeping the Sabbath without understanding its meaning.
May the Lord be with you
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To say that the 7th day did not end because it does not have evening and morning is to have a private interpretation. Doctrine is based on all the Bible.
Exodus 20:11
(11) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
The days in this verse are all 24 hour days there is no text in the Bible to back up your claim the 7th day did not end.
Exodus 20:11
(11) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
The days in this verse are all 24 hour days there is no text in the Bible to back up your claim the 7th day did not end.
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Greetings to you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ!
1. I never said that the seventh day never ended nor do I say it ended but I just want to know why it is not mentioned 'the evening and the morning were the seventh day' like it did with six days before.
2. Your quote (Ex 20:11) clearly shows the end of each day to six days but says nothing as such about the seventh day.
3. To address your last para, refer to 1
God bless you
1. I never said that the seventh day never ended nor do I say it ended but I just want to know why it is not mentioned 'the evening and the morning were the seventh day' like it did with six days before.
2. Your quote (Ex 20:11) clearly shows the end of each day to six days but says nothing as such about the seventh day.
3. To address your last para, refer to 1
God bless you
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Does it have to be mentioned? The 7th day is not the same as the others, it is set apart. When you read about creation there is a big difference as to the first 6 and the 7th. The first 6 mentions the name of the day at the end while the 7th mentions the name at the start making the day more important.
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Well, you don't find it significant because that's the way you see it. I consider it very significant and my vision has become clearer thereby. Yes, I do agree that the 7th day has a big difference but the significance is more spiritual than earthly. What you understand is earthly and want to maintain it that way but I see it spiritually and maintain spiritual. So there is a big difference between you and me in this regard. You still want to be in shadow and want to remain in veil which the Lord took it off.
May the God strengthen you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
May the God strengthen you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
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I have more than those 10 commandments. Like He said - you can enter into the Kingdom of God, unless you are born again of water and Spirit, you cannot see the Kingdom of God unless you become like children, you cannot enter into the kingdom of God unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the Pharisees. I just don't hang on those 10 commandments. My Father, even Jesus Christ, whose righteousness was greater than the righteousness of Moses, who gave the law, gave me far righteous commands with grace and love than Moses did. Never will you find 'ten commandments' in the NT.
Tell me why keeping of Sabbath is not mentioned in NT while the rest of the ten commandments were mentioned in one way or the other through out? Like about stealing, adultery, false witness, killing and so on but never about keeping of the Sabbath.
You just know that the ceremonial law is done away but you don't want to see farther than that.
Tell me why keeping of Sabbath is not mentioned in NT while the rest of the ten commandments were mentioned in one way or the other through out? Like about stealing, adultery, false witness, killing and so on but never about keeping of the Sabbath.
You just know that the ceremonial law is done away but you don't want to see farther than that.
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So now you are adding? If you really cant see the sabbath in the NT then you need to read it properly. We cannot see the Bible as being separate but, one. It is all inspired both old and new. If we are going to interpret the Bible like that we may as well get rid of your OT and stick with the NT. But in doing that we will have to get rid of the NT as well because the NT reveals the OT, we cannot have one without the other.
Any Law given in the OT continues unless stated otherwise. If we get rid of the Sabbath of the Lord we are taking away the character of God for the Law reveals the character of God and because He never changes the the Law will not change.
Any Law given in the OT continues unless stated otherwise. If we get rid of the Sabbath of the Lord we are taking away the character of God for the Law reveals the character of God and because He never changes the the Law will not change.
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Did I add? Did I not pick them from the Bible or you don't it? I asked you to quote one verse where observation of the Sabbath was commanded to the gentiles (NT). Especially Paul, who was the preacher to the gentiles never did it, in fact, this was very much required as he preached to the gentiles. If you are mixing all OT and NT together then there was no need for the Savior to come to this world. The Old Covenant was taken away so that the New Covenant be written in our hearts by the sacrifice of our Lord Jesus Christ.
I never interpreted the Bible by getting rid of the OT. I just said, as Paul clearly says, that the OT is the shadow of the things to come and even he kept referring to the OT whenever he explained a mystery; just for eg. Melchizedek.
I didn't tell you to get rid of the Sabbath but I do say that it has much more significant than you think it is. You limit it by keeping it in flesh but I uphold it by believing it in spirit, because this Sabbath is our only hope that the Lord has promised. This hope is not seen and is not here on this earth and therefore is eternal. Just like, our sacrifice is not the sacrifice of any animal but of the Son of the living God. Though He did it in flesh, it is spiritual unto us because He is not with us in flesh and blood.
I never interpreted the Bible by getting rid of the OT. I just said, as Paul clearly says, that the OT is the shadow of the things to come and even he kept referring to the OT whenever he explained a mystery; just for eg. Melchizedek.
I didn't tell you to get rid of the Sabbath but I do say that it has much more significant than you think it is. You limit it by keeping it in flesh but I uphold it by believing it in spirit, because this Sabbath is our only hope that the Lord has promised. This hope is not seen and is not here on this earth and therefore is eternal. Just like, our sacrifice is not the sacrifice of any animal but of the Son of the living God. Though He did it in flesh, it is spiritual unto us because He is not with us in flesh and blood.
Let us be sober minded for just one moment. Yahweh, God, calls it a DAY just as the other six are days. He, Who is Source Authority, does not lie. The reason I have not replied to this already is because I am satisfied with the responses of others. A week is a week, and we know what a week is because our Father has taught us.
Would you like to see more than that? The calendar that our Lord, Yeshua, Jesus, used, and the prophets before Him is lunar. It was calculated according to the genealogies afforded by the Word from Adam by Hebrew wise men. Because the Law dictates that nothing is to be added to the Word of Yahweh, God, and nothing is to be taken away, some of the "time" is omitted from the year of Adam because some of the genealogy is incomplete. I believe Yahweh, God, did this on purpose so no man could know the exact day of the Seventh Millennium.
The present year according to the Hebrew calendar is 5772. Now given the fact that some people lived a very long time and others less, and given the fact that several genealogies were purposely omitted, and according to the Hebrew calendar year, there is less than 228 years until the advent of the Seventh Millennium. How many years have been omitted from the time line afforded by the Hebrew wise men? Only Yahweh, God, knows. We do know however that with Yahweh, God, a thousand years is as a day when it is past.
None of the above is intended to be anything new, simply an informative. All I do know is when this dawned on my heart and soul, all I could do is praise our Maker, halleluYah, amen.
The present year according to the Hebrew calendar is 5772. Now given the fact that some people lived a very long time and others less, and given the fact that several genealogies were purposely omitted, and according to the Hebrew calendar year, there is less than 228 years until the advent of the Seventh Millennium. How many years have been omitted from the time line afforded by the Hebrew wise men? Only Yahweh, God, knows. We do know however that with Yahweh, God, a thousand years is as a day when it is past.
None of the above is intended to be anything new, simply an informative. All I do know is when this dawned on my heart and soul, all I could do is praise our Maker, halleluYah, amen.
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Still you are on earth showing the wisdom of this world. I still want to look past this earthly wisdom. What I am seeing is spiritual and what you are telling me is natural, which is true. All things are lawful but all things are not expedient.
1 Corinthians 6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
1 Corinthians 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
The natural wisdom cannot bring my spirit into bondage.
1 Corinthians 6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
1 Corinthians 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
The natural wisdom cannot bring my spirit into bondage.
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Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
why are you looking at the 10 commandments as bondage? Its the moral law and shows us what true love is. The first 4 10 commandments tell us how to love God and the other 6 tell us how to love man. How do you know what sin is with out it?
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom_3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
The moral law can never be done away with. Only the ceremonial laws can be done away with. Paul was a teacher of the OT because there was not TN it was still being made.
why are you looking at the 10 commandments as bondage? Its the moral law and shows us what true love is. The first 4 10 commandments tell us how to love God and the other 6 tell us how to love man. How do you know what sin is with out it?
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom_3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
The moral law can never be done away with. Only the ceremonial laws can be done away with. Paul was a teacher of the OT because there was not TN it was still being made.
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Frankly speaking, I didn't follow your first part of the comment. Please look into your previous comment. You have only written about the ages and the years, which I am least interested in. Is that not earthly? The number of years and all that stuff is not found in the Bible so I can dismiss it and still remain spiritual. So I guess you have understood now. My point is to make you see that the eternity you are looking for is the true Sabbath and nothing else but you try to bring me down again on earth to think about the seventh day on earth. As mentioned by Paul this OT Sabbath is the shadow of the eternity to come.
May the Lord bless you.
May the Lord bless you.
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Which of the ten commandments tell us that we must be born again? Is that not a commandment? The law that was given to Moses was according to the righteousness of Moses because he was the most righteous man on earth during his time. The law was given to man due to the hardness of man, else man was to live by faith and not by law. We are Abraham's seed and not Moses' (I am not putting Moses down here but Israel during his time). Because the children of Israel were living in unbelief, Moses was given the law. The law that just gave man a moral standard according to the righteousness of man and not according to the righteousness of God. Jesus had the righteousness of God and He gave us the commandments much higher than what Moses did. But unfortunately you want me to go back to the righteousness of man, Moses, while God has taken me much above Moses and closer to Himself through His Son. And then He tells me, now unless your righteousness does not exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees, you shall in no wise enter into the Kingdom of God. The Bible, esp. the NT never limits us with only ten commandments nor even one time the NT uses the word 'ten commandments'.
No body else but Jesus made the NT. You cannot say that Paul was responsible of making of NT. I don't have to tell you what a testament means now. That's an agreement made between God and man through the sacrifice of His Son Jesus Christ. Where does Paul or Peter come here?
May the Father in heaven shower His abundant mercies upon you.
No body else but Jesus made the NT. You cannot say that Paul was responsible of making of NT. I don't have to tell you what a testament means now. That's an agreement made between God and man through the sacrifice of His Son Jesus Christ. Where does Paul or Peter come here?
May the Father in heaven shower His abundant mercies upon you.