Sabbath: The Lord's Day

[RedTent]

It is so simple to take Paul’s teachings about making our worship more than just doing rituals and expand that teaching to wiping out all of who and what God the Father is. That teaching has been with us for thousands of years, so now if you worship the triune God you are “denying Christ”. Over and over in the posts you hear “is it in the NT” and how the old testament is not for us. Paul also taught about the many things they ignore or deny.

Over and over we are given examples of what happens when we distort God, but that, they say, is in the OT and the God of the OT can teach us nothing. Christ is coming again, this time as a warrior. God will say “I do not know you” to those people.

 

[ozell]

One problem we have is these new testament christian think that the OT is is done away with or fulfilled
Another problem is they don't read Paul'ls writings.

Paul taught from the OT , Paul taught Jesus from the OT, Paul believed
Everything that is written by Moses and the Prophets. We have a problem
in the churches, they don't believed what Moses and the Prophets

Acts 26:22 (KJV)
Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

Acts 24:14 (KJV)
But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Acts 26:22 (KJV)
Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

 

[ozell]

It is so simple to take Paul’s teachings about making our worship more than just doing rituals and expand that teaching to wiping out all of who and what God the Father is. That teaching has been with us for thousands of years, so now if you worship the triune God you are “denying Christ”. Over and over in the posts you hear “is it in the NT” and how the old testament is not for us. Paul also taught about the many things they ignore or deny.

Over and over we are given examples of what happens when we distort God, but that, they say, is in the OT and the God of the OT can teach us nothing. Christ is coming again, this time as a warrior. God will say “I do not know you” to those people.

Paul taught the Gentiles to keep the sabbath as Jesus did
Paul kept the sabbath and feast days

Paul believed what is written on Moses and the. Prophets

 

[JaumeJ]

When the Holy Spirit came into me, my personal experience, I was led to Isaiah, to the middle of it, long story. It made perfect sense.

Many do not take into consideration the words of the Master when He taught that if the Pharisees and all Jews for that matter believe Moses, then it is only natural they would believe Yeshua because Moses and the prophets wrote about Yeshua.

With this in consideration, it is obvious the so-called Old and New Testaments are one continuous writing, and they are together the Word of Yahweh.

Before the Law was given to the Children of Israel, long before, Yahweh promised Abraham that his descendants would possess the Gate of their enemies. That Gate is Jesus, Yeshua.

The commandments are taught us to be obeyed, and this is not a problem with most who love Yeshua, although many observe the Sabbath on the first day, which is beyond me why they would want to, but as long as they believe it is ok in the sight of Yahweh, it is OK. This point should not be argued, it only serves to take all concerned away from the worship of God.

Yahweh bless all in Yeshua, amen.

 

[WolfInOxHide]

"Remember the seventh and keep it Set Apart" to me means remember and keep the exact literal seventh day.

"Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am YHWH that doth sanctify you."

"Not one stroke or dot shall pass from Torah until all has been fulfilled."

Question to me then, is whether or not I am a child of Israel, whether genetically or by being grafted in does not matter. And also, whether or not YHWH through Moses has "spoken" to me about this keeping of the sevenths.
I rest beginning or close to sundown on "friday" until the same on "saturday", and I have been extremely blessed in ways that I was not before practice. I also keep passover and other feasts, as well as I can research and understand them.

 

[TheAristocat]

There are two calendars that exist. God's calendar and man's calendar; both consist of seven day weeks.

The difference in the two calendars is that God has named the days with numbers, and man has given the days names.

God's calendar begins with day 1 and ends with day 7, his weekly Sabbath.

Man's calendar names day 1 as, Sunday, and ends with Saturday, day 7, God's weekly Sabbath.

Although man's calendar is universal (the same all over the world) the majority of professed Christians worship the Lord on Sunday which is clearly the 1st day of the week not the 7th day that the Lord has hallowed, sanctified and commanded that we keep.

The Chinese week starts on Monday and ends on Sunday unlike the Israeli and American weeks. I once debated this with a coworker over the course of a couple of days. One time I remarked, "If the beginning of the weekend is considered to be Saturday, then doesn't that mean that the week ends on Saturday?" He thought that Sunday was the Sabbath or the 7th day of the week. Then I asked, "How long does the end last? Two days?"

We usually consider Sunday to be part of the weekend, but it's of course the beginning of the week. And if you wanted to get really specific about the Sabbath then it begins at sundown on Friday night and goes till sundown on Saturday night.

 

[cenallen]

Paul taught the Gentiles to keep the sabbath as Jesus did
Paul kept the sabbath and feast days

please show a single NT commandment to observe the Old Covenant Sabbath day.
if it is required ofr our salvation it will appear undiluted in the New Covenant Commandments of Jesus, both from His lips, and the instruction He gave to His apostles.

this is the 3rd request for you to show ONE SINGLE example of any New Testament figure, especially Jesus teaching sabbathkeeping.

where is it?


ALL THE NEW TESTAMENT (COVENANT) COMMANDMENTS

COMMANDMENTS CONCERNING LOVE

The first of all the commandments is...thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these (Mk. 12:29-31).

Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you (Mt. 5:44).

He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat [food], let him do likewise (Lk. 3:11).

Be ye...merciful as your Father also is merciful (Lk. 6:36).

If he [your brother] trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him (Lk. 17:4).

This is my [Jesus'] commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you (Jn. 15:12).

Let love be without dissimulation [hypocrisy] (Rm. 12:9a).

Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another; not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord; rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer; distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality (Rm. 12:10-13).

Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not (Rm. 12:14).

If thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head (Rm. 12:20).

Salute [greet] one another with an holy kiss (Rm. 16:16a).

Ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another (Gal. 5:13).

Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted (Gal. 6:1).

Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ (Gal. 6:2).

As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith (Gal. 6:10).

Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: and be ye kind one to another (Eph. 4:31-32).

Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; and walk in love (Eph. 5:1-2a).

Salute [greet] every saint in Christ Jesus (Php. 4:21a).

Put on...bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. And above all these things put on charity [love]...And let the peace of God rule in your hearts...and be ye thankful. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another...And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him (Col. 3:12-17).

Let brotherly love continue (Heb. 13:1).

See that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently (1 Pet. 1:22b).

Be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful [sympathetic], be courteous: not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing (1 Pet. 3:8-9).

COMMANDMENTS CONCERNING HOLINESS & SEPARATION

If thy right eye offend thee [causes you to continue to sin], pluck it out, and cast it from thee (Mt. 5:29).

If thy right hand offend thee [causes you to continue to sin], cut it off, and cast it from thee (Mt. 5:30).

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine (Mt. 7:6).

If thy foot offend thee [causes you to continue to sin], cut it off (Mk. 9:45).

Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God (Rm. 6:12-13).

Present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God (Rm. 12:1).

Be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind (Rm. 12:2a).

Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good (Rm. 12:9b).

Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good (Rm. 12:21).

Put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof (Rm. 13:14).

[Do not] keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner [swindler]; with such an one no not to eat (1 Cor. 5:11).

Flee fornication (1 Cor. 6:18a).

Glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's (1 Cor. 6:20b).

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers (2 Cor. 6:14a).

Let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God (2 Cor. 7:1).

Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers (Eph. 4:29).

Grieve not the Holy Spirit of God (Eph. 4:30a).

Fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting...but rather giving thanks (Eph. 5:3-4).

Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them (Eph. 5:11).

Be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit (Eph. 5:18).

Let your moderation be known unto all men (Php. 4:5).

Whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things (Php. 4:8).

Mortify [put to death] therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness [impurity], inordinate affection, evil concupiscence [evil desires], and covetousness, which is idolatry (Col. 3:5).

Put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Lie not one to another (Col. 3:8-9a).

Walk in wisdom toward them that are without [outsiders], redeeming the time (Col. 4:5).

Quench not the Spirit (1 Thess. 5:19).

Abstain from all appearance of evil (1 Thess. 5:22).

I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting. In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety [with decency and propriety]; not with braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; but (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works (1 Tim. 2:8-10).

Shun profane and vain babblings [godless chatter]: for they will increase unto more ungodliness (2 Tim. 2:16).

Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity (2 Tim. 2:19b).

Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity [love], peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart (2 Tim. 2:22).

Foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes (2 Tim. 2:23).

A man that is an heretic [factious man] after the first and second admonition reject (Titus 3:10).

Let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us (Heb. 12:1b).

- continued

 

[cenallen]

NEW TESTAMENT (COVENANT) COMMANDMENTS continued


Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded (Jam. 4:8b).

Swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation (Jam. 5:12).

As he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation [behavior]; because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy (1 Pet. 1:15-16).

As strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul (1 Pet. 2:11).

Keep yourselves from idols (1 Jn. 5:21).

Follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God (3 Jn. 1:11).

COMMANDMENTS CONCERNING SUFFERING & NON-RESISTANCE

Resist not evil [an evil person]: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also (Mt. 5:39).

If any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also (Mt. 5:40).

Whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain (Mt. 5:41).

Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away (Mt. 5:42).

Him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also (Lk. 6:29b).

Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again (Lk. 6:30).

Recompense to no man evil for evil (Rm. 12:17a).

Avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord (Rm. 12:19).

The servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves (2 Tim. 2:24a).

Servants [doulos, slaves], be subject to your masters [slave owners] with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward [perverse]. For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully (1 Pet. 2:18-19).

As Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind (1 Pet. 4:1a).

Let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator (1 Pet. 4:19).

COMMANDMENTS CONCERNING MONEY & WEALTH

When thou doest alms [give to the needy], let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth (Mt. 6:3).

Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth...but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven (Mt. 6:19-20a).

Sell that ye have, and give alms [give to the needy]; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also (Lk. 12:33-34).

Owe no man any thing (Rm. 13:8a).

Let him that is taught in the word communicate [share] unto him that teacheth in all good things (Gal. 6:6).

Seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God (Col. 3:1).

Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth (Col. 3:2).

Having food and raiment [clothing] let us be therewith content (1 Tim. 6:8).

Let your conversation [character] be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have (Heb. 13:5).

To do good and to communicate [share] forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased (Heb. 13:16).

Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world (1 Jn. 2:15a).

COMMANDMENTS CONCERNING MARRIAGE & FAMILY

What God hath joined together, let not man put asunder (Mk 10:9).

Unto the married I [apostle Paul] command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband. But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife (1 Cor. 7:10-11).

Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord (Eph. 5:22).

As the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing (Eph. 5:24).

Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it (Eph. 5:25).

Let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband (Eph. 5:33).

[Children] honour thy father and mother (Eph. 6:2a).

Fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord (Eph. 6:4).

Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them (Col. 3:19).

Children, obey your parents in all things (Col. 3:20a).

If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed (1 Tim. 5:16).

Wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation [behavior] of the wives; while they behold your chaste conversation [behavior] with fear. Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; but let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands (1 Pet. 3:1-5).

Husbands, dwell with them [your wives] according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered (1 Pet. 3:7).

COMMANDMENTS CONCERNING WORSHIP

When ye come together...Let all things be done unto edifying. If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church...Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace...Let your women keep silence in the churches, for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands [aner, (man or husband) if married or father if unmarried] at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church....the things that I [the apostle Paul] write unto you are the commandments of the Lord (1 Cor. 14:26-37).

Brethren, covet [desire earnestly] to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues (1 Cor. 14:39).

Despise not prophesyings (1 Thess. 5:20).

Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not [do not allow] a woman to teach, nor to usurp [exercise] authority over the man, but to be in silence (1 Tim. 2:11-12).

COMMANDMENTS CONCERNING GENERAL TOPICS

Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven (Mt. 5:16).

If thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath aught against thee; leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift (Mt. 5:23-24).

Swear not at all; neither by heaven...nor by the earth...Neither shalt thou swear by thy head....But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay (Mt. 5:34-37).

Be...perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect (Mt. 5:48).

When thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are...But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet... (Mt. 6:5-6).

When ye pray, use not vain repetitions (Mt. 6:7).

When ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites...That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret (Mt. 6:16-18a).

Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on (Mt. 6:25a).

Take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? (Mt. 6:31).

Take...no thought for the morrow [do not worry about tomorrow] (Mt. 6:34a).

Judge not that ye be not judged (Mt. 7:1).

All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them (Mt. 7:12a) [This is the so-called "Golden Rule."]

If thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone...But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more....And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican (Mt. 18:15-17).

Call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters [teachers]: for one is your Master [Teacher], even Christ (Mt. 23:9-10).

Repent ye, and believe the gospel (Mk. 1:15b).

Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages (Lk. 3:14b).

If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me (Lk. 9:23).

Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment (Jn. 7:24).

Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep. Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits (Rm. 12:15-16).

Provide things honest [respect what is right] in the sight of all men (Rm. 12:17b).

If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men (Rm. 12:18).

Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers [governing authorities]. For there is no power [authority] but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God (Rm. 13:1).

Ye must needs be subject [to governing authorities], not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. For for this cause pay ye tribute [taxes] also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour (Rm. 13:5-7).

Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations [without passing judgment on disputable opinions] (Rm. 14:1).

Judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts (1 Cor. 4:5a).

Whether...ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God (1 Cor. 10:31).

Servants [doulos, Slaves], be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ (Eph 6:5).

Masters [slave owners], do the same things unto them [your slaves], forbearing [not] threatening [them]: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him (Eph. 6:9).

Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling (Php. 2:12b).

Do all things without murmurings and disputings (Php. 2:14).

Rejoice in the Lord always (Php. 4:4).

Whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men (Col. 3:23).

Masters [slave owners], give unto your servants [doulos, slaves] that which is just and equal; knowing that ye also have a Master in heaven (Col. 4:1).

Continue in prayer, and watch in the same with thanksgiving (Col. 4:2).

Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt (Col. 4:6a).

In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you (1 Thess. 5:18).

Prove [examine carefully] all things; hold fast that which is good (1 Thess. 5:21).

Let as many servants [doulos, slaves] as are under the yoke [of slavery] count their own masters [owners] worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed. And they that have believing masters [owners], let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit (1 Tim. 6:1-2a).

Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth (2 Tim. 2:15).

Aged men [should] be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity [love], in patience. The aged women likewise...[should] be in behavour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; that they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, to be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed (Titus 2:2-5).

Avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the [Old Testament] law; for they are unprofitable and vain (Titus 3:9).

Let us draw near [to God] with a true heart in full assurance of faith....Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering...And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching (Heb. 10:22-25).

Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves (Heb. 13:17a).

Be ye doers of the Word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves (Jam. 1:22).

Speak not evil one of another, brethren (Jam. 4:11a).

Submit yourselves to every ordinance [authority] of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: as free, and not using your liberty for a cloak of maliciousness [evil], but as the servants [doulos, slaves] of God (1 Pet. 2:13-16).

Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king (1 Pet. 2:17).

Younger [men], submit yourselves unto the elder [men]. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble (1 Pet. 5:5).

Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you (1 Pet. 5:6-7).

Grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ (2 Pet. 3:18a).

Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life (Jude 1:21).



where's the saving commandment concerning the Old Covenant (Sinai) sabbath day commandment?

 

[Eccl12and13]

if you want to go back under the Old Covenant, keep ALL OF IT.

Exodus 35
Sabbath Regulations
1Moses assembled the whole Israelite community and said to them, “These are the things the Lord has commanded you to do: 2 For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death. 3Do not light a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day.”

why are you claiming to "keep" the sabbath biblically, while not obeying the LAW and putting to death transgressors?

remember, you claim you are obeying the LAW given to MOSES at Sinai.

I am not changing the subject. You say to keep all of the law...including putting to death transgressors of those that break God's sabbath.

I agree.... ALL should do their best at keeping ALL of God's laws....including putting to death transgressors of God's sabbath. But does any of us always know ALL of the conditions of those that transgress any of God's laws? No!

So when I see someone working on the sabbath do I call together a meeting to have that person put to death not knowing his situation? Was he taught correctly about the sabbath. Does he even know about the laws of the sabbath. This is why Jesus gave us the example that He did;

Matt.13
[24] Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
[25] But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
[26] But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
[27] So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
[28] He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
[29] But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
[30] Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Above Jesus tells us to let the guilty and the righteous live together until His return, lest a mistake is made and the wheat (righteous) and the tare (wicked) are rooted up together, punishing both.

As I asked you before, "If I am in error as to understanding the above parable, please let me know where such as error was made. The last thing I want to do is to mislead others in the word of God."

Am I in error in understanding the above parable?

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[cenallen]

I am not changing the subject. You say to keep all of the law...including putting to death transgressors of those that break God's sabbath.

I agree.... ALL should do their best at keeping ALL of God's laws....including putting to death transgressors of God's sabbath. But does any of us always know ALL of the conditions of those that transgress any of God's laws? No! .

so on the one hand you claim you obey Moses, now you loook for a way out claiming you don't know ALL of the Law, so can not obey it.

modern jews do the same - make excuses for not keeping the whole of the Law. they claim to keep the sabbath yet they do NOT.

the Law tells you what to do with the ones who profane the sabbath - go read it.

So when I see someone working on the sabbath do I call together a meeting to have that person put to death not knowing his situation? Was he taught correctly about the sabbath. Does he even know about the laws of the sabbath.

why should he be tauight correctly about the sabbath?
are you teaching him to offer animals sacrifices and go the temple also?

haven't you read Galatians?
haven't you read Acts?
are you a gentile?

even if you claim to be a jew, if you are holding to Moses and not Christ, you are under The Law and will be judged by the Law. these games you play are deadly for you and all who listen to you.

This is why Jesus gave us the example that He did;

Matt.13
[24] Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
[25] But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
[26] But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
[27] So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
[28] He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
[29] But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
[30] Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Above Jesus tells us to let the guilty and the righteous live together until His return, lest a mistake is made and the wheat (righteous) and the tare (wicked) are rooted up together, punishing both.

As I asked you before, "If I am in error as to understanding the above parable, please let me know where such as error was made. The last thing I want to do is to mislead others in the word of God."

Am I in error in understanding the above parable?

are professing christians who place their faith in Christ tares? children of the devil?
the field is THE WORLD.

come out of the shadows and learn about Jesus Christ.
the OT points to Christ. it's all about HIM.

this is elementary. but perhaps you find it offensive?

Romans 3
Justification by Faith

21But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction


the righteousness of God has been manifested
even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe

 

[cenallen]

STILL no single, clear commandment from Jesus to keep the seventh day for salvation.
NOT ONE.

 

[cenallen]

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There are two calendars that exist. God's calendar and man's calendar; both consist of seven day weeks.

The difference in the two calendars is that God has named the days with numbers, and man has given the days names.

God's calendar begins with day 1 and ends with day 7, his weekly Sabbath.

Man's calendar names day 1 as, Sunday, and ends with Saturday, day 7, God's weekly Sabbath.

Although man's calendar is universal (the same all over the world) the majority of professed Christians worship the Lord on Sunday which is clearly the 1st day of the week not the 7th day that the Lord has hallowed, sanctified and commanded that we keep.

why were the patriarchs never instructed about the sabbath?
will they all be thrown into the lake of fire for not observing the seventh day when they never received the commandment?


was Abraham at Sinai?

Deuteronomy 22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.

are we to go back to 'sinai'?

Hebrews 12 18For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, 19And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more: 20(For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart: 21And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake) 22But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

what happens if we choose moses (sinai) over Christ (The New Covenant)?

2 Corinthians 3
Ministers of a New Covenant

1Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, as some, letters of commendation to you or from you? 2You are our letter, written in our hearts, known and read by all men; 3being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

4Such confidence we have through Christ toward God. 5Not that we are adequate in ourselves to consider anything as coming from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God, 6who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

7But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, 8how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory? 9For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory. 10For indeed what had glory, in this case has no glory because of the glory that surpasses it. 11For if that which fades away was with glory, much more that which remains is in glory.

12Therefore having such a hope, we use great boldness in our speech, 13and are not like Moses, who used to put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel would not look intently at the end of what was fading away. 14But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. 15 But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; 16but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

 

[Eccl12and13]

even if you claim to be a jew, if you are holding to Moses and not Christ, you are under The Law and will be judged by the Law. these games you play are deadly for you and all who listen to you.

And what will you be judged by?



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[Eccl12and13]

so on the one hand you claim you obey Moses, now you loook for a way out claiming you don't know ALL of the Law, so can not obey it.

modern jews do the same - make excuses for not keeping the whole of the Law. they claim to keep the sabbath yet they do NOT.

the Law tells you what to do with the ones who profane the sabbath - go read it.


are professing christians who place their faith in Christ tares? children of the devil?
the field is THE WORLD.

I have. And Jesus still tells us to let the (tares) and the (wheat) grow together! And that HE will be the judge when He returns.





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[cenallen]

And what will you be judged by?

Romans 5 1 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ

δικαιόω
dikaioó
I make righteous, defend the cause of, plead for the righteousness (innocence) of, acquit, justify; hence: I regard as righteous.

dikaióō (from dikē, "right, judicial-approval") – properly, approved, especially in a legal, authoritative sense; to show what is right, i.e. conformed to a proper standard (i.e. "upright").

Romans 3 28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.

Acts 13 39 Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses.

 

[Eccl12and13]

Romans 5 1 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ

δικαιόω
dikaioó
I make righteous, defend the cause of, plead for the righteousness (innocence) of, acquit, justify; hence: I regard as righteous.

dikaióō (from dikē, "right, judicial-approval") – properly, approved, especially in a legal, authoritative sense; to show what is right, i.e. conformed to a proper standard (i.e. "upright").

Romans 3 28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.

Acts 13 39 Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses.

I understand what it means to be justified. It means to be cleared of your sins. I asked what will you be judged by?

What will determine whether or not you make it unto God's kingdom or dwell in hell?

What is it that will separate you from the sinner?

And is it only one thing that is needed or more than one?


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[JaumeJ]

And what will you be judged by?



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From the Holy Spirit first, second from the writings in the Old and New Testaments, I believe I know we who love Yeshua the Messiah are all Jews, brought together as one flock by the Good Shepherd. Anyone who does not like the sound of sharing the King of the Jews with ALL who believe is in jeopardy of going away from love, and Yahweh is Love.
NOTICE:
All who are offended by folks who believe themselves to be legitimately Jews, though not of birth, I am afraid you may have a streak of anti-Jew in you. If you do, you really should get all of that straightened out with the greatest Jew ever, Yeshua, or, if you prefer, Jesus. Do not bring your hang-ups into the CCR.
Keep in mind all who name the name, be it the once transliterated Yeshua from the Hebrew, or the twice transliterated Jesus, first from Hebrew to Greek, then from Greek to English, these folks are family. Some may place a day over another day, some may not eat certain food while others do, and so on down the line. Remember from your own teachings, and mine of course, as long as one acts to God ward with good conscience there is no sin, so stop condemning your family in Yeshua. This is not of Yahweh.
With our beloved Father, ignorance of the law is an excuse, so do not rise above the One Who earned the right to judge, although it was always His in the first place.
Judge not and you will not be judged. This is teaching from the Master, Himself, and He is referring here to judgment unto damnation; this judgment will be handed over to all the saints, but only after the thrones are set up. If you do not yet know this, please, read the Word, believe Yahweh, and follow His Paschal Lamb, Yeshua.

 

[Eccl12and13]

From the Holy Spirit first, second from the writings in the Old and New Testaments, I believe I know we who love Yeshua the Messiah are all Jews, brought together as one flock by the Good Shepherd. Anyone who does not like the sound of sharing the King of the Jews with ALL who believe is in jeopardy of going away from love, and Yahweh is Love.
NOTICE:
All who are offended by folks who believe themselves to be legitimately Jews, though not of birth, I am afraid you may have a streak of anti-Jew in you. If you do, you really should get all of that straightened out with the greatest Jew ever, Yeshua, or, if you prefer, Jesus. Do not bring your hang-ups into the CCR.
Keep in mind all who name the name, be it the once transliterated Yeshua from the Hebrew, or the twice transliterated Jesus, first from Hebrew to Greek, then from Greek to English, these folks are family. Some may place a day over another day, some may not eat certain food while others do, and so on down the line. Remember from your own teachings, and mine of course, as long as one acts to God ward with good conscience there is no sin, so stop condemning your family in Yeshua. This is not of Yahweh.
With our beloved Father, ignorance of the law is an excuse, so do not rise above the One Who earned the right to judge, although it was always His in the first place.
Judge not and you will not be judged. This is teaching from the Master, Himself, and He is referring here to judgment unto damnation; this judgment will be handed over to all the saints, but only after the thrones are set up. If you do not yet know this, please, read the Word, believe Yahweh, and follow His Paschal Lamb, Yeshua.

Not judging...simply asking a question;

What will determine why one person gets into God kingdom while another does not?


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[cenallen]

I understand what it means to be justified. It means to be cleared of your sins. I asked what will you be judged by?

no, you do not understand.
justified is not just forgiveness of sins, it means being declared perfectly righteous.

read it again.

What will determine whether or not you make it unto God's kingdom or dwell in hell?

What is it that will separate you from the sinner?

And is it only one thing that is needed or more than one?

this is sad.
it is also time you stopped 'teaching' and discovered the Gospel.

 

[JaumeJ]

Not judging...simply asking a question;

What will determine why one person gets into God kingdom while another does not?


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Your post is simply a reference for the thoughts provoked by the most recent series of posts. We are all judged already by the Blood of the Lamb, of course, and we live in the grace of God. Blessed is the man against who the Lord does not impute sin...............Yahweh is so good, in Yeshua's name, amen.