Salvation Not Possible Without Works
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Saved by grace means God takes us as dead in trespass and sin and quickens us to new life in Christ. We then become new born babes in Christ requiring nurturing and care until we become mature and able to serve the Lord.
You apparently see salvation as something attained by works which is not biblical. Sanctification is being set apart for the Lords purpose. There are two parts to this the first part He does the moment He saves us as we surrender our will to Him. The second part is where we surrender our physical life to Christ daily that we might be a witness and testimony for Him of His saving grace. In both cases it is the grace of God not our works that save and secure us until the day of redemption. God lifted me from the mire of sin and set me upon the Rock Who is Christ. His Mighty Hand has done it all.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
You apparently see salvation as something attained by works which is not biblical. Sanctification is being set apart for the Lords purpose. There are two parts to this the first part He does the moment He saves us as we surrender our will to Him. The second part is where we surrender our physical life to Christ daily that we might be a witness and testimony for Him of His saving grace. In both cases it is the grace of God not our works that save and secure us until the day of redemption. God lifted me from the mire of sin and set me upon the Rock Who is Christ. His Mighty Hand has done it all.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
By His grace, we are saved, this is true, we are (were, never will be) worth saving, but because of His Grace, we are saved, but God said the only way to the Father is through His son Jesus Christ, so God here himself puts a condition on it, now how can you deny that? and His son Jesus Christ said you must Repent, you must Confess Him, you must be Baptized.
So now first God puts on a condition you can only be saved through His son Jesus Christ.
Jesus said if you must obey his commands putting a condition on you.
He did his part, will you do yours?
So now first God puts on a condition you can only be saved through His son Jesus Christ.
Jesus said if you must obey his commands putting a condition on you.
He did his part, will you do yours?
That's a fail.
Eph 2:8-10 - "For it is by grace (not by obedience) you have been saved, through faith (not through obedience),
--and this (salvation) not from yourselves (not because of your obedience), it is the gift of God--
not by works, so that no man can boast. For we are God's workmanship (we are the clay in which
the potter alone forms the image)." (Eph 2:8-10)
If my obedience is the reason God saves me, then I can boast that I did what my own brother did not do, I obeyed or believed, and he did not.
However, NT apostolic teaching is that it is all the gift of God so that I cannot boast,
for there is not one thing in all of it that I can boast about.
God gets all the glory, I get none based on my part, for I had no part.
There are no "works of merit" in the NT.
That is your own invention.
Nope. . .your misuse of the word "work" sets the Scriptures against themselves.
In the NT, "works" refer to the works of the law (Ac 13:39; Ro 3:27-28, 20-21; Gal 2:16),
which do not save.
"Works" does not refer to the obedience/deeds of faith, and there are no deeds which result in faith.
The "work of faith" of 2Th 1:11 is the work produced by faith, not faith itself.
"We pray always for you, that our God would. . .fulfill. . .the work of (every act prompted by
your) faith with power; that the name of Jesus Chist may be glorified in you (by God's power through
your works/deeds of faith)." (2Th 1:11)
Faith itself is not a work, the obedience of faith, resulting from faith, is the work.
Faith is a free gift (Eph 1:29, 1Pe 1:1; Ac 18:37; Ro 12:2).
Repentance is a gift (2Tim 2:25; Acv 11:18, 5:31).
Righteousness is a gift (Ro 5:17, 1:17, 3:21-24, 4:6, 9:30-31).
None of the above are works.
Now please, do not make it necessary to repeat this apostolic teaching to you again.
That's a fail.
You do not even know the meaning of justification.
Your fails in understanding "works," "justification," "righteousness from God/justification," etc.
result in your setting the Scriptures against themselves.
You neither know, nor understand, the Scriptures well enough to represent them correctly.
Eph 2:8-10 - "For it is by grace (not by obedience) you have been saved, through faith (not through obedience),
--and this (salvation) not from yourselves (not because of your obedience), it is the gift of God--
not by works, so that no man can boast. For we are God's workmanship (we are the clay in which
the potter alone forms the image)." (Eph 2:8-10)
If my obedience is the reason God saves me, then I can boast that I did what my own brother did not do, I obeyed or believed, and he did not.
However, NT apostolic teaching is that it is all the gift of God so that I cannot boast,
for there is not one thing in all of it that I can boast about.
God gets all the glory, I get none based on my part, for I had no part.
There are no "works of merit" in the NT.
That is your own invention.
Nope. . .your misuse of the word "work" sets the Scriptures against themselves.
In the NT, "works" refer to the works of the law (Ac 13:39; Ro 3:27-28, 20-21; Gal 2:16),
which do not save.
"Works" does not refer to the obedience/deeds of faith, and there are no deeds which result in faith.
The "work of faith" of 2Th 1:11 is the work produced by faith, not faith itself.
"We pray always for you, that our God would. . .fulfill. . .the work of (every act prompted by
your) faith with power; that the name of Jesus Chist may be glorified in you (by God's power through
your works/deeds of faith)." (2Th 1:11)
Faith itself is not a work, the obedience of faith, resulting from faith, is the work.
Faith is a free gift (Eph 1:29, 1Pe 1:1; Ac 18:37; Ro 12:2).
Repentance is a gift (2Tim 2:25; Acv 11:18, 5:31).
Righteousness is a gift (Ro 5:17, 1:17, 3:21-24, 4:6, 9:30-31).
None of the above are works.
Now please, do not make it necessary to repeat this apostolic teaching to you again.
That's a fail.
You do not even know the meaning of justification.
Your fails in understanding "works," "justification," "righteousness from God/justification," etc.
result in your setting the Scriptures against themselves.
You neither know, nor understand, the Scriptures well enough to represent them correctly.
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Oh it is??
What bible do you have??
My Bible says.
1 I have been saved (eph 2: 8-9)
2. I have been justified completely
3. I have been perfected
4. I have eternal life.
5. I have passed from death to life
6. I will be resurrected to eternal life.
I can go on and on and on..
You must be following the mosaic covenant then. And you should be scared. Because your trying to get saved by impossible means.
No.
Real faith will produce real works.
A false faith (dead) will not do any works.
Real faith saved. A dead faith will not save, never has never will.
What bible do you have??
My Bible says.
1 I have been saved (eph 2: 8-9)
2. I have been justified completely
3. I have been perfected
4. I have eternal life.
5. I have passed from death to life
6. I will be resurrected to eternal life.
I can go on and on and on..
You must be following the mosaic covenant then. And you should be scared. Because your trying to get saved by impossible means.
No.
Real faith will produce real works.
A false faith (dead) will not do any works.
Real faith saved. A dead faith will not save, never has never will.
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Lol. You have not?
Yet you yourself and many in here actually teach this, Whether you say it or not does not matter,
You can;t save yourself. If you could. Jesus would not have had to come and do the work of the cross.
Stop trying to take credit for the work of God, and replace his works with your works.
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We are sanctified by God.
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
All you can see is your own self serving doctrine. The truth is not in you. If you had been to Jesus you would know and understand what God has written in His word.
The Phillipian jailer asked what work must we do to be saved and the apostle answered him believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved and your household.
Doesn't sound like what you are professing.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The Phillipian jailer asked what work must we do to be saved and the apostle answered him believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved and your household.
Doesn't sound like what you are professing.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Yes, the Apostle also told him what it means to "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ" and they did it,
Acts 16:33-34 (KJV)
33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed [their] stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway. 34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.
When did he rejoice? it was after he was baptized.
Acts 16:33-34 (KJV)
33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed [their] stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway. 34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.
When did he rejoice? it was after he was baptized.
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What does Acts 11 say to you. Specifically the verse which basically said, 'God, also the Gentiles, have granted remission of LIFE'. A statement having been said after the Holy Spirit fell on those Gentiles? Was not chapter 11 Peter's recognition of Gentiles' baptism of the Holy Spirit, seeing that water baptism is for the remission of sin and thus, a giving of life, and that those Gentiles were baptized into ONE BODY BY ONE SPIRIT, thus negated what he asked for for those Gentiles at the end of chapter 10, namely, water?
You obviously are extracting from the context.
Eph 2:8-9 is not stating that a person, as an idividual has been saved. The context from vs 1:5 is about mankind. It is about what Christ did through His Incarnation and resurrection. All of mankind was saved by Grace. This is the great Gift of salvation that Christ gave to the world. This is why no man can boast. Everything we need to be saved, that is each of us indiviudually was given to us, including faith. All men have a measure of faith. The point is as creatures we need to use these Gifts. They were given to us for a reason.
Justified. There are two justifications in scripture regarding our salvation. The first is what Christ did for mankind again. This is recorded in II Cor 5:18-19, Rom 3:23-25, Col 1:20. This is stating that Christ reconciled, justified the world to God.
Then we have the second which is man believing by faith. When we believe it states that we are justified by our faith. But justification is not salvation. It simply puts one in a correct relationship with God so that our salvation as persons can take place.
As to being perfected, that is what salvation of our souls is all about. We must work with God to be conformed to His Image, recreated into His Likeness. We are perfected through love and obedience. The same requirement Adam had in the beginning.
Eternal life. Context here is important. All men have eternal life because of Christ redemption. Rom 5;18, II Cor 15:12-22, all state that Christ gave life, that is an eternal physical existence to all men. All men shall be raised in the last day to immortality and incorruptibility, I Cor 15:53.
As to the spiritual, when scripture uses the term that if one believes he has eternal life is implied with Christ. After all that is the whole purpose of God first creating man, to have an eternal union with man, and then Christ recreating man by His Incarnation and Resurrection. But that relationship is not guaranteed by man since man has no power to guarantee his own faith. That is why all the exhortations in scripture to endure, to remain faithful. We shall inherit the promise at the end, not any time sooner. I Pet 1:3-5. It all depends on our faith.
Passing from death to life is also on condition. It is conditioned on ones faith. If one believes one passes from death to life. Notice the word, believes. or belief is always in the present tense, active, continuing. Your salvation must be met by conditions of ones faith.
Resurrected to eternal life. Here again context is important. All men will be resurrected. All men will stand in judgement. All men will live eternally. The question is where, either heaven or hell. The where is determined by one's faith again, did one endure, did one remain faithful.
Christ requires it, so it cannot be impossible. God makes sure all men have the ability and capability to respond to Him. The only question is man willing and does he desire to be united with Christ.
which is why all the warnings. If we fail to continue in the works, our faith becomes dead. One's faith is conditioned on man's desire and willingness to submit to God, to follow Him. Many have fallen away as the scriptures attest, and suffered eternal damnation.
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No. I was washed by God.
Titus 3:5
New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
But hey, if you wish to be washed by a sinner, who needs cleansed himself, then go right ahead.
Titus 3:5
New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
But hey, if you wish to be washed by a sinner, who needs cleansed himself, then go right ahead.