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We certainly do know for whom Christ shed His blood....He shed His blood for all of mankind.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
And in the context of Israel, they would have understood that to mean that God no longer limited his love to his people Israel, but now extended it to whosoever in the whole world that would believe in Christ Jesus, for whom his Son died.

You are incorrectly applying modern-day meaning of the phraseology to its meaning in ancient Israel.
 
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And in the context of Israel, they would have understood that to mean that God no longer limited his love to his people Israel, but now extended it to whosoever in the whole world that would believe in Christ Jesus, for whom his Son died.

You are incorrectly applying modern-day meaning of the phraseology to its meaning in ancient Israel.
You are taking my quote out of context, Elin. I was responding to svedbygrace's post on the false teaching of Limited Atonement.
 
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Your all messed up. It's not difficult to know or discern objectively if you are walking in the light and have not grieved the Spirit. You just have to LOOK and be objective
The only way to be objective is to have a standard outside yourself by which to measure your "light."

You have no such objective standard and, therefore by definition, cannot be objective.
 
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QUESTION:
is anyone who does not belong to Christ Abraham's descendant?

QUESTION:
is anyone who does not belong to Christ an heir according to the promise?

QUESTION:
do you know what the promise is?
The promise was the giving of the Spirit which was the Spirit of promise (Gal 3:14, Eph 1:13). They are an heir according to the promise of the Spirit. Anyone who believes is sealed by that promise of the Spirit. John 16:7
N-e-w-ope. . .the Promise in Gal 3:17 was to Abraham that he would be a blessing to all nations, which was fulfilled in Christ Jesus.
The Promise of Gal 3:17 is Christ.

The promise of the Spirit in Ac 2:38-39 was given at the Last Supper (Jn 14:1618, 15:26, 16:7).

This does not change who the apostle Paul was or any of the Jews who believed. By the same token that there is no male or female, there is also no Jew or Greek because we all are espoused unto one husband (the Lord) in one body as the bride of Christ.
That does not stop Israel from being a nation of people that God will deal with during the time of the tribulation after this one body and bride is caught away in the clouds of the air to forever be with the Lord. Wake up and smell that sweet savour and those who have been redeemed as his bride and take notice
I take note that this is contrary to NT teaching.

All those not included in the New Jerusalem, which is the Bride of the Lamb (Rev 21:9-14, 1-2) and the body of Christ, are outside dogs, sorcerers and whoremongers (Rev 22:14-15).

And that's where you have put your believing Israel when you put them outside the Bride of the Lamb.

of the greatest of God's mercy that is coming to deal with Israel, his elect and precious people who he has called by his name.
And there you have it. . .God's plan to glorify himself through Christ by placing all things under his feet

and appointing him to be head of everything for the sake of the church, which is the Bride of the Lamb

and his body, the fullness of him (Eph 1:23) in the two-in-one enfleshment of the marital union

(Eph 5:31-32), plays second fiddle to God's "greatest mercy" in dealing with Israel.

See how the slightest deviation from the word of God invariably and inevitably leads to another gospel?

ANATHEMA!
 
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These Jews in Jerusalem are a stubborn lot, obstinate, proud, zealous, and even prejudice in their unbelief and blindness. Reminds me of some that post on this site who have rebelled according to the letter. They possess a unique blindness and orientation that also makes them prejudice against the very ones that God will have mercy upon in their own land at the appointed time.
Those prophecies which you think are prophesying a future return to their land have all been fulfilled in their return from the Babylonian exile.

There are no such further promises to be fulfilled for Israel, nor is their Biblical warrant for a repeated fulfilling of them, anymore than there is Biblical warrant for a repeated sacrifice of Christ Jesus.
 
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Elin said:
Linda70 said:
We certainly do know for whom Christ shed His blood....He shed His blood for all of mankind.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
And in the context of Israel, they would have understood that to mean that God no longer limited his love to his people Israel, but now extended it to whosoever in the whole world that would believe in Christ Jesus, for whom his Son died.

You are incorrectly applying modern-day meaning of the phraseology (everyone) to its meaning in ancient Israel (those outside Israel).
You are taking my quote out of context, Elin. I was responding to svedbygrace's post on the false teaching of Limited Atonement.
Actually, that was exactly what I was addressing.

That phraseology does not mean Christ died for everyone in the world, as explained above.
 
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Why not make a thread stating support your local Christian ?
Why not make a thread stating, as Jesus did in Mark 16:15: "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."?

"Every creature" includes "every creature"!
 
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Why not make a thread stating, as Jesus did in Mark 16:15: "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."?

"Every creature" includes "every creature"!
Yes, even in the context of Israel, it would mean just that, which does not mean that every creature will be saved.
 
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Did you do the painting?
Clever Zone! :) -> Thierry Hennequin | Olive Tree - Oil on Canvas Painting

Romans 11:17
But some of these branches from Abraham's tree--some of the people of Israel--have been broken off. And you Gentiles, who were branches from a wild olive tree, have been grafted in. So now you also receive the blessing God has promised Abraham and his children, sharing in the rich nourishment from the root of God's special olive tree.
 

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Did you do the painting?
i wish:eek:

it's Thierry Hennequin, in the tradition of Van Gogh.
i am working on a Peace River fall birch forest piece, though. if it turns out okay i'll post it.
maybe:eek:

in memory of Abiding....he loved art - sometimes we just PM'd art.
then each would have to try to guess which......mmm.....:(
mikey
 
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Why not make a thread stating, as Jesus did in Mark 16:15: "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."?

"Every creature" includes "every creature"!
Why not make a thread stating support your local Christian ?
 
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Why not make a thread stating support your local Christian ?
Is your keyboard "stuck" in groove? If you are so adamant about starting a thread "supporting your local Christian", then start one and quit typing about it!
 
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Is your keyboard "stuck" in groove? If you are so adamant about starting a thread "supporting your local Christian", then start one and quit typing about it!
Why don't you start one ? and support it ? Christians are more valued and important than local jews without Christ, did you know that ?
 
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If you are so adamant about starting a thread "supporting your local Christian", then start one and quit typing about it!
Support your local Christian. :)

[video=youtube;AbdNyWDT2es]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbdNyWDT2es[/video]
 

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Support your local Christian. :)

[video=youtube;AbdNyWDT2es]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbdNyWDT2es[/video]
what? you mean there are Christians in the M.E.:confused:
i thought it was just those terrible awful arabs and God's chosen people the jews.
 

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Christian Zionism: The Heresy that Undermines Middle East Peace

Christian Zionism is the largest, most controversial and most destructive lobby within Christianity. It bears primary responsibility for perpetuating tensions in the Middle East, justifying Israel’s apartheid colonialist agenda and for undermining the peace process between Israel and the Palestinians.

By Rev Dr Stephen Sizer

At least one in four American Christians surveyed recently by Christianity Today magazine said that they believe it is their biblical responsibility to support the nation of Israel. This view is known as Christian Zionism. The Pew Research Center put the figure at 63 per cent among white evangelicals. Christian Zionism is pervasive within mainline American evangelical, charismatic and independent denominations including the Assemblies of God, Pentecostals and Southern Baptists, as well as many of the independent mega-churches.

Christian Zionism: The Heresy that Undermines Middle East Peace
 

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Pastor John Hagee is one of the leaders of the Christian Zionist movement. He is the Founder and Senior Pastor of Cornerstone Church, a 19,000-member evangelical church in San Antonio, Texas. His weekly programmes are broadcast on 160 TV stations, 50 radio stations and eight networks into an estimated 99 million homes in 200 countries. In 2006 he founded Christians United for Israel admitting,

“For 25 almost 26 years now, I have been pounding the evangelical community over television. The Bible is a very pro-Israel book. If a Christian admits ‘I believe the Bible,’ I can make him a pro-Israel supporter or they will have to denounce their faith. So I have the Christians over a barrel, you might say.”

Christian Zionism: The Heresy that Undermines Middle East Peace