The Best Church for You - By Brother James L. Melton

homwardbound · Jun 18, 2013

Actuallythe only inerrant Bible is the original text, in the first Testament the Torah was written in Hebrew that original text is inerrant. Also the Second testament revealing Christ is the fulfillment of the first and they are cohesive together in truth revealed and originally written in the gree, making that inerrant.
I do think the King James to be very accurate, no matter though Ilearned from God's Spirit the hidden man of my heart the truth that God plain and simply just loved us and loves us, does reveal hinmself to all that beleive. Even the King James translation is used to decieve the very elect, depending on one's interpretation. I am posting scriupture verses in more than one translation here, tell me please the meaniing of each and I willshare what I get out of it as well. And I do appreciate yuor sincerety in all to know the truth
[h=3]2 Corinthians 5:16-21[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, [SUP]19 [/SUP]that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

[h=3]2 Corinthians 5:16-21[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
[SUP]19 [/SUP]To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

[h=3]II Corinthians 5:16-21[/h]Knox Bible (KNOX)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]and therefore, henceforward, we do not think of anybody in a merely human fashion; even if we used to think of Christ in a human fashion, we do so no longer;[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]17 [/SUP]it follows, in fact, that when a man becomes a new creature in Christ, his old life has disappeared, everything has become new about him.[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]18 [/SUP]This, as always, is God’s doing; it is he who, through Christ, has reconciled us to himself, and allowed us to minister this reconciliation of his to others. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Yes, God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, establishing in our hearts his message of reconciliation, instead of holding men to account for their sins.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]We are Christ’s ambassadors, then, and God appeals to you through us; we entreat you in Christ’s name, make your peace with God. [SUP]21 [/SUP]Christ never knew sin, and God made him into sin for us, so that in him we might be turned into the holiness of God.

[h=3]2 Corinthians 5:16-21[/h]The Message (MSG)

[SUP]16-20 [/SUP]Because of this decision we don’t evaluate people by what they have or how they look. We looked at the Messiah that way once and got it all wrong, as you know. We certainly don’t look at him that way anymore. Now we look inside, and what we see is that anyone united with the Messiah gets a fresh start, is created new. The old life is gone; a new life burgeons! Look at it! All this comes from the God who settled the relationship between us and him, and then called us to settle our relationships with each other. God put the world square with himself through the Messiah, giving the world a fresh start by offering forgiveness of sins. God has given us the task of telling everyone what he is doing. We’re Christ’s representatives. God uses us to persuade men and women to drop their differences and enter into God’s work of making things right between them. We’re speaking for Christ himself now: Become friends with God; he’s already a friend with you.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]How? you ask. In Christ. God put the wrong on him who never did anything wrong, so we could be put right with God.

[h=3]2 Corinthians 5:16-21[/h]New Living Translation (NLT)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]So we have stopped evaluating others from a human point of view. At one time we thought of Christ merely from a human point of view. How differently we know him now! [SUP]17 [/SUP]This means that anyone who belongs to Christ has become a new person. The old life is gone; a new life has begun!
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And all of this is a gift from God, who brought us back to himself through Christ. And God has given us this task of reconciling people to him. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, no longer counting people’s sins against them. And he gave us this wonderful message of reconciliation. [SUP]20 [/SUP]So we are Christ’s ambassadors; God is making his appeal through us. We speak for Christ when we plead, “Come back to God!” [SUP]21 [/SUP]For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ.

All these are on track comig at it from differant view points yet saying the same thing that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, not counting anyones's sins against them, good news yes?
So then think about it how much more are we saved by Christ's resurrected life? No matter which translation one uses in their search God shows all how deep his Love goes andwe become responders to God's love. This world is about being God, initiating and creating, and getting the credit for it. When it is God that is the creator and we are the responders, not seeking the differance we continue to try and create scenarios and diffearances whrn there are non in God, we are all one
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.1 Corinthians 12:13It is the same way with us. Jews or those who are not Jews, men who are owned by someone or men who are free to do what they want to do, have all been baptized into the one body by the same Holy Spirit. We have all received the one Spirit.1 Corinthians 12:13Some of us are Jews, some are Gentiles, some are slaves, and some are free. But we have all been baptized into one body by one Spirit, and we all share the same Spirit.

Agricola · Jun 18, 2013

ChosenbyHim said:

This example alone shows how ridiculous and intellectually ignorant the Cult of King James Only has become and how obsessive it is, finding "fault" in just about everything to drive point home.

Nose Ring is correct use of the word, ring noses are like wedding rings, it shows the woman is married or to be married, this custom is continued in numerous cultures around the world today including India.

If you look at original text Strong's Number: 05141
Original Word : ~n
Transliterated Word : Nexem[TABLE="width: 100%"]
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Definition
ring, nose ring, earring
nose ring (woman's ornament)
earring (ornament of men or women)

When you look at the verse in Context: This is how Rebehka came to be Issacs wife, so its clear we are talking about a nose ring.

Genesis 24
: 43 Behold, I stand by the well of water; and it shall come to pass, that when the virgin cometh forth to draw water, and I say to her, Give me , I pray thee, a little water of thy pitcher to drink ;

44 And she say to me, Both drink thou, and I will also draw for thy camels: let the same be the woman whom the LORD hath appointed out for my master's son

45 And before I had done speaking in mine heart, behold, Rebekah came forth with her pitcher on her shoulder; and she went down unto the well, and drew water: and I said unto her, Let me drink , I pray thee.

46 And she made haste , and let down her pitcher from her shoulder, and said , Drink , and I will give thy camels drink also: so I drank , and she made the camels drink also.

47 And I asked her, and said , Whose daughter art thou? And she said , The daughter of Bethuel, Nahor's son, whom Milcah bare unto him: and I put the earring upon her face, and the bracelets upon her hands

. 48 And I bowed down my head , and worshipped the LORD, and blessed the LORD God of my master Abraham, which had led me in the right way to take my master's brother's daughter unto his son.

King James Only Cult Says this young woman is a Cannibal.

King James Only Cult Says this young woman is a Cannibal.

homwardbound · Jun 18, 2013

jerusalem said:

GOD is ABLE to make us stand
[h=3]Romans 14:4[/h]New Living Translation (NLT)

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who are you to condemn someone else’s servants? Their own master will judge whether they stand or fall. And with the Lord’s help, they will stand and receive his approval.

[h=3]Romans 14:4[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Two differant translations and they both say the same thing, God is able, do we believe?

Agricola · Jun 18, 2013

ChosenbyHim said:

If you want another example as to how intellectually challenged Terry Watkins and the disciples of the King James Only Cult are, then here it is. Do I really have to explain why this is so laughable and pathetic?

For those who are still puzzled do a study on Passover, then see when Christ died and how symbolic Christs death at Passover was, especailly as he is declared the "Lamb of God".

Easter was a word which came much later to describe the period around Christ's death and resurrection , it was probably thought suitable to use the word Easter in the 1611 as more people would know what it was talking about. Passover is the more accurate translation, as obviously the word Easter did not exist at that time.

ChosenbyHim · Jun 18, 2013

homwardbound said:

Homwardbound, I will address those each a little later, but while I have sometime now, I want to make a quick point. The Original Texts, Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek were indeed inerrant and perfect. Now what you should understand is that God promised to preserve His words forever.

12 Help, Lord; for the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail from among the children of men.
2 They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak.
3 The Lord shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things:
4 Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us?
5 For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the Lord; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him.
6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
8 The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted. - Psalm 12 (Holy Bible)

The Scriptures teach that God preserved His words. And that His words are pure words. So His true word and words cannot have any error in them. There has to be a perfect standard on this earth for us to live by.

And If we as Christians do not have a perfect Bible, then what happens we become our own final authority. And our feelings become our own standard of what is right and wrong. And that is why the modern translations and the Alexandrian movement is so satanic in its philosophy. Because the Alexandrian movement and cult teaches that there is no perfect Bible here on this earth. It is all about your preferences. Which bible you prefer. See? It makes the final authority. It makes our feelings and our preferences the standard of truth.

And that is exactly what the Alexandrian cult teaches and that is why it is so wicked and satanic.

We King James Bible believers simply believe God's Book. We believe and trust and know that it is perfect, inerrant and infallible. And we also believe that God is able to keep His promise to preserve His pure words.

Just as God was able to move the authors of the Holy Scriptures to write down the perfect and inspired original autographs, God also was able to keep and preserve His pure words down through the centuries. (See Psalm 12:6-7).

140 Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.
141 I am small and despised: yet do not I forget thy precepts.
142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth. - Psalm 119:140-142 (Holy Bible)

17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. - John 17:17 (Holy Bible)

There are no Scriptures that teach that only the originals were perfect and inerrant and inspired.

Truth is, we have God's perfect written word here on this Earth. And it is the Authorized King James Bible. You can trust it completely.

ChosenbyHim · Jun 18, 2013

homwardbound said:

Homwardbound, you have got to check out the Number codes in the King James Bible, which by the way also authenticate the fact that it is a supernatural Book! It is a Book of perfect order. I am going to share some of the Numerical codes that are found within the Authorized King James Version. And let me share with you that they are fascinating! Here is an excerpt from one of Mike Hoggard's books:

Excerpt from: The King James Code

By Mike Hoggard

Revealing God's Special Signature of Textual and Numerical Patterns in the Authorized Version of the Bible

The Bible itself states that the Word of God is a book of parables. The word "parable" is found 49 times. The word "parable" is found 7 times in the book of Numbers. All of them are found in chapters 23 and 24, and all of them are spoken by Balaam, the first time being found in verse 7 because, (Num 23:5-7) "…the LORD put a word in Balaam's mouth, and said, Return unto Balak, and thus thou shalt speak. {6} And he returned unto him, and, lo, he stood by his burnt sacrifice, he, and all the princes of Moab. {7} And he took up his parable, and said, Balak the king of Moab hath brought me from Aram, out of the mountains of the east, saying, Come, curse me Jacob, and come, defy Israel." In Psalm 78, we are told that God speaks his Word by means of the parable, (Psa 78:1-2) "Maschil of Asaph. Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth. {2} I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:". And we are also told that all the words of Jesus are in parable form, (Mat 13:34) "All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:".
It was Paul who warned us about a false gospel.

(Gal 1:8-9) "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. {9} As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received,let him be accursed."

Notice that this warning was so strong that he mentions it twice to get the point across. There is a difference between the real Word of God, and the false gospel. Paul and Peter made sure that we understood this, because they spoke of The gospel of God. This phrase is found exactly 7 times in the scriptures. The 7[SUP]th[/SUP] time it is used is an indication of what will happen to those who do not obey the real gospel.
(1 Pet 4:17) "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?"

As we have seen before, the Holy Spirit is represented elsewhere in the scriptures as being the "breath" of God. God tells us in Ezekiel 37:14 that He will "put my breath in you, and ye shall live." In Genesis, God did this with Adam. (Gen 2:7) "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." This is the first place we find the word "breath". Notice that it is in verse 7. The word "breath" is found 42 times. God took the number for man (6) and multiplied it by the number for God (7).
In the two listings of the lineage of Jesus Christ is the manifestation of 7 displayed. The account given for us in Matthew chapter 1 lists 42 (6x7) generations from Abraham. The account given for us in Luke chapter 3 lists 77 generations from God who created Adam, the first "son of God", to Jesus, the "true Son of God." Jesus’ title of "Son of God" in its various forms is found 49 (7x7) times in the New Testament. It is found only one time in the Old Testament, recorded in the book of Daniel.

(Dan 3:25) "He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God."

Check your modern translations for this verse. The NIV records it as "a son of the gods." There can be no mistaking that this points to Antichrist and not the real Christ! The scriptures do attribute a "god" status to fallen angels. The word "gods" is found a total of 244 times in the scriptures. This is a product which has the number for the world (4) as its multiplier (4x61). These false "gods" are truly earthly and not heavenly.
Our Savior is also given the title of "Son of Man". This phrase is found 196 times in the AV. This number breaks down to 49 (7x7) x 4! The last place that this phrase is used is in Revelation 14 verse 14! Check your modern translations for this same pattern. Is this title found exactly this many times in any other translation? I do not believe that it exists outside the King James Version.

In John 12, the doubters ask Jesus a very simple question. (John 12:34) "….who is this Son of man?"
I know who it is. It is Jesus Christ. How do I know for sure? It is all in the numbers. The phrase "Jesus Christ" is found exactly 196 times in the King James. The exact amount of times that the "Son of Man" is found!
The unity of the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, and the Church is established exactly 7 times in the King James Bible by use of the phrase "are one." This phrase is only found 7 times in the scriptures, and, it is not associated with any other idea.

(John 10:30) "I and my Father are one."
(John 17:22) "And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:"
(Rom 12:5) "So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another."
(1 Cor 3:8) "Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour."
(1 Cor 10:17) "For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread."
(1 Cor 12:12) "For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ."
(1 John 5:7) "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

Comparing this pattern with the NIV, I discovered that in Romans 12:5, this phrase has been divided up to change the meaning, in I Cor. 3:8, the phrase is missing and replaced with "have one purpose", which is not the same as being one with someone especially God. God and Satan have the same purpose, to draw all men in worship to each of them respectively, but this does not make them "one." In I Cor. 10:17, the phrase "are one bread" is replaced with "are one body", the phrase is omitted in I Cor. 12:12, and the entire verse of I John 5:7 is completely gone.
There is a two-word phrase that is used repeatedly in the scriptures to describe the total authority and power of Almighty God. It is the phrase "most high". Truly, our God is the Most High God. He is given this title exactly 49 times in the Scriptures. Listed below, are the places where this title is either mentioned in the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] chapter, the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] verse, or one of its multiples.

Genesis 14:18, Genesis 14:19, Genesis 14:20, Genesis 14:22, Psalm 7:17, Psalm 21:7, Psalm 77:10, Isaiah 14:14, Daniel 7:18, Daniel 7:22, Daniel 7:25, Daniel 7:27, Hosea 7:16, Hosea 11:7, Mark 5:7, Acts 7:48, Hebrews 7:1.
Isaiah 14:14 is the verse where we find that Lucifer’s sole desire is to be like theMost High. Hebrews 7:1 is the 49[SUP]th[/SUP] place that you find God’s special title of Most High.

As we saw earlier, Jesus’ title of "Christ" is found 555 times in the Bible. We also found, according to the lineage of Luke chapter 3, that He is the 77[SUP]th[/SUP] in line from God the Father. When we count forward to the 555[SUP]th[/SUP] chapter of the Bible, we find that it takes us to Psalm 77! Our God is a God of perfect order, and so then is His Word. Might it also surprise you to know that the word "church" is found 77 times in the Authorized Version?!!!!
Now, let’s take this just a little further. Let’s look at the 77[SUP]th[/SUP] chapter of the Bible. It is Exodus 27 (20+7). This chapter has 21 (7x3) verses in it. In the 21[SUP]st[/SUP] verse we find this passage.

(Exo 27:21) "In the tabernacle of the congregation without the veil, which is before the testimony, Aaron and his sons shall order it from evening to morning before the LORD: it shall be a statute for ever unto their generations on the behalf of the children of Israel."

This phrase is a common phrase that refers to the church of the Old Testament. This is the first occurrence of this name for the church. It is found in the 77[SUP]th[/SUP] chapter of the Bible, the 21[SUP]st[/SUP] verse. This phrase is found exactly 21 (7x3) times in the Book of Exodus. It is found exactly 133 (7x19) times in the whole Bible! (19 just happens to be 7+12!)
And the list goes on and on.
Allow me to display some of the 7 related patterns in column form. In this first column, we will list the various titles and attributes given to God and His Son Jesus, followed by the number of times that particular phrase is mentioned in the KJV.

Son of Man 196 times (49x4)
Jesus Christ 196 times (49x4)
Word of God 49 times (7x7)
Son of God 49 times in the New Testament (only once in OT)
Most High 49 times
The Word of the Lord 245 times (49x5)
The Word 7 times
Husbandman 7 times
My Beloved Son 7 times
His Son 7 times
Firstborn 7 times
Thy Word 7 times in the New Testament
"It is Written" 63 times (7x9) in the New Testament
Jesus and Grace 49 times in the same verse
Holy Spirit 7 times
Breath (form of Spirit) 42 times (6x7)
Thunders (God’s voice) 7 times
God of Israel 203 times (7x29)

I will now list for you the various names that are identified with the Church, along with the number of times they are mentioned in the scriptures. Many of these have not previously been mentioned.

Church 77 times (as in the 77 generations of Luke 3)
Kingdom of God 70 times, found only in the New Testament
Assembly 49 times
Bride 14 times
Firstfruits 7 times in the New Testament
Daughter of Zion (or Sion) 28 times (7x4)
Daughter of Jerusalem 7 times
Daughters of Jerusalem 7 times (all in the Song of Solomon, found only one other time in Luke 23:28)
Children of Israel 644 times (7x92)
Congregation 49 times in the Book of Exodus
Tabernacle of the Congregation 21 times in Exodus (7x3)
56 times in Numbers (7x8)
Witnesses 49 times
Fishers (as in fishers of men) 7 times
Peculiar 7 times
Kinsmen 7 times
Worshippers 7 times
Workmanship 7 times

ChosenbyHim · Jun 18, 2013

Agricola said:

Well here is the thing Agricola, I answered your question and then I wanted to give you more information in addition to the answer I gave you, that way you would have the facts. You see Agricola, I will share other information out there that has already been written on the Bible Version Issue. I am not above simply sharing another minister's and bible believer's work because I will be the first one to tell you Agricola that I do not have all the answers. And why try to reinvent the wheel if another King James Bible believer and minister of God has already went through the studies and research in producing his work and articles on the Bible Version Issue. And I trust Terry Watkin's work and the ministry which God has given to him to operate. Well Agricola, you don't have to read through all that information if you don't want to. But just understand something, if you want to be able to know and understand the truth that is out there, especially in regard to the Bible Version Issue, then you are going to have to study, research the matter thoroughly. And guess what? That takes time. Okay, this is not Microwave Christianity. There are going to be times where you are going to have to set aside some time to study and look into this issue. And let me tell you Agricola, this is issue is extremely important. It is one of the most important issues facing Christians today.

And until you take the time to pray to God in regard to this important matter and issue, and also to take the time to study it thoroughly, you are just going to continue in ignorance like a lot of other people on here who also have been deceived by the Alexandrian school of thought.

Agricola said:

Does not matter Agricola. Those verses don't belong in the footnotes, they belong in the text! And the very fact that the wicked NIV puts the verses in footnotes, is to get you question their accuracy and validity. It is to cause you to cast doubt upon the word of God. Hmmm, let's see who was the first being to question the word of God?

Here's a hint:

3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? - Genesis 3:1 (Holy Bible)

So it was Satan who first questioned the word of God. Therefore it must be Satan who is behind all these new, counterfeit, contradicting modern bible perversions that have done nothing but caused doubt and confusion as to what God really said.

Agricola said:

Agricola, I never said a Christian would go to hell if he read another bible version, what I am saying though is that Christian will not have any true spiritual power in his life if he has forsaken the true word of God (King James Bible) for a modern bible version (NIV, ESV, NASB, etc.)

And where in the Scriptures does it teach that only the original autographs were perfect and inspired? Chapter and Verse, please?

Agricola said:

No Agricola, we King James Bible believers do not overlook the fact that there are many, many people in the world who do not speak English. There are accurate and reliable foreign translations out there. Such as Martin Luther's German Bible. The French Louis Segond Bible, the Spanish Reina Valera 1909, and of course there are others. But if a foreign translation is translated from the corrupt Vaticanus and Siniaticus text, then it also will be a corrupt foreign translation. And believe it or not Agricola, there are people all around the world who also are becoming aware of this Bible Version Issue. So again, you can be assured that we King James Bible believers know and understand that there are those simply do not speak English, but they still may have access to reliable foreign translations if they are not translated from the corrupt, ecumenical Siniaticus and Vaticanus Greek manuscripts. Some people in foreign countries, don't even have access to a whole Bible. Some of them only have New Testaments in their langage, or the Gospel of John in their native language. And some people are fortunate enough to even have a few epistles in their own laguage. So we in America, and in Europe and in other developed nations are truly blessed to have access to God's perfect, inerrant, and pure words, which is the King James Bible.

And again, when did I or any other Bible believer on here (CC Chat) ever say that a person was going to Hell if they read another bible version?

Our salvation is dependent upon whether or not we believe on and trust the Lord Jesus Christ. That s what our salvation is dependent upon. But if a Christian wants to spiritual develop and grow and mature, then he or she will need to read and believe God's perfect and inerrant word, which is the King James Authorized Version.

And if a group of people do not have access to a King James Bible, then God will have grace upon them, since He will know their situation. And of course those people may still have access to reliable and accurate translations that have not been severely corrupted by the satanic Siniaticus and Vaticanus Greek texts.

RachelBibleStudent · Jun 18, 2013

ChosenbyHim said:

Homwardbound, you have got to check out the Number codes in the King James Bible, which by the way also authenticate the fact that it is a supernatural Book! It is a Book of perfect order. I am going to share some of the Numerical codes that are found within the Authorized King James Version. And let me share with you that they are fascinating! Here is an excerpt from one of Mike Hoggard's books:

Excerpt from: The King James Code

By Mike Hoggard

Revealing God's Special Signature of Textual and Numerical Patterns in the Authorized Version of the Bible

The Bible itself states that the Word of God is a book of parables. The word "parable" is found 49 times. The word "parable" is found 7 times in the book of Numbers. All of them are found in chapters 23 and 24, and all of them are spoken by Balaam, the first time being found in verse 7 because, (Num 23:5-7) "…the LORD put a word in Balaam's mouth, and said, Return unto Balak, and thus thou shalt speak. {6} And he returned unto him, and, lo, he stood by his burnt sacrifice, he, and all the princes of Moab. {7} And he took up his parable, and said, Balak the king of Moab hath brought me from Aram, out of the mountains of the east, saying, Come, curse me Jacob, and come, defy Israel." In Psalm 78, we are told that God speaks his Word by means of the parable, (Psa 78:1-2) "Maschil of Asaph. Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth. {2} I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:". And we are also told that all the words of Jesus are in parable form, (Mat 13:34) "All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:".
It was Paul who warned us about a false gospel.

(Gal 1:8-9) "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. {9} As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received,let him be accursed."

Notice that this warning was so strong that he mentions it twice to get the point across. There is a difference between the real Word of God, and the false gospel. Paul and Peter made sure that we understood this, because they spoke of The gospel of God. This phrase is found exactly 7 times in the scriptures. The 7[SUP]th[/SUP] time it is used is an indication of what will happen to those who do not obey the real gospel.
(1 Pet 4:17) "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?"

As we have seen before, the Holy Spirit is represented elsewhere in the scriptures as being the "breath" of God. God tells us in Ezekiel 37:14 that He will "put my breath in you, and ye shall live." In Genesis, God did this with Adam. (Gen 2:7) "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." This is the first place we find the word "breath". Notice that it is in verse 7. The word "breath" is found 42 times. God took the number for man (6) and multiplied it by the number for God (7).
In the two listings of the lineage of Jesus Christ is the manifestation of 7 displayed. The account given for us in Matthew chapter 1 lists 42 (6x7) generations from Abraham. The account given for us in Luke chapter 3 lists 77 generations from God who created Adam, the first "son of God", to Jesus, the "true Son of God." Jesus’ title of "Son of God" in its various forms is found 49 (7x7) times in the New Testament. It is found only one time in the Old Testament, recorded in the book of Daniel.

(Dan 3:25) "He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God."

Check your modern translations for this verse. The NIV records it as "a son of the gods." There can be no mistaking that this points to Antichrist and not the real Christ! The scriptures do attribute a "god" status to fallen angels. The word "gods" is found a total of 244 times in the scriptures. This is a product which has the number for the world (4) as its multiplier (4x61). These false "gods" are truly earthly and not heavenly.
Our Savior is also given the title of "Son of Man". This phrase is found 196 times in the AV. This number breaks down to 49 (7x7) x 4! The last place that this phrase is used is in Revelation 14 verse 14! Check your modern translations for this same pattern. Is this title found exactly this many times in any other translation? I do not believe that it exists outside the King James Version.

In John 12, the doubters ask Jesus a very simple question. (John 12:34) "….who is this Son of man?"
I know who it is. It is Jesus Christ. How do I know for sure? It is all in the numbers. The phrase "Jesus Christ" is found exactly 196 times in the King James. The exact amount of times that the "Son of Man" is found!
The unity of the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, and the Church is established exactly 7 times in the King James Bible by use of the phrase "are one." This phrase is only found 7 times in the scriptures, and, it is not associated with any other idea.

(John 10:30) "I and my Father are one."
(John 17:22) "And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:"
(Rom 12:5) "So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another."
(1 Cor 3:8) "Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour."
(1 Cor 10:17) "For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread."
(1 Cor 12:12) "For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ."
(1 John 5:7) "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

Comparing this pattern with the NIV, I discovered that in Romans 12:5, this phrase has been divided up to change the meaning, in I Cor. 3:8, the phrase is missing and replaced with "have one purpose", which is not the same as being one with someone especially God. God and Satan have the same purpose, to draw all men in worship to each of them respectively, but this does not make them "one." In I Cor. 10:17, the phrase "are one bread" is replaced with "are one body", the phrase is omitted in I Cor. 12:12, and the entire verse of I John 5:7 is completely gone.
There is a two-word phrase that is used repeatedly in the scriptures to describe the total authority and power of Almighty God. It is the phrase "most high". Truly, our God is the Most High God. He is given this title exactly 49 times in the Scriptures. Listed below, are the places where this title is either mentioned in the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] chapter, the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] verse, or one of its multiples.

Genesis 14:18, Genesis 14:19, Genesis 14:20, Genesis 14:22, Psalm 7:17, Psalm 21:7, Psalm 77:10, Isaiah 14:14, Daniel 7:18, Daniel 7:22, Daniel 7:25, Daniel 7:27, Hosea 7:16, Hosea 11:7, Mark 5:7, Acts 7:48, Hebrews 7:1.
Isaiah 14:14 is the verse where we find that Lucifer’s sole desire is to be like theMost High. Hebrews 7:1 is the 49[SUP]th[/SUP] place that you find God’s special title of Most High.

As we saw earlier, Jesus’ title of "Christ" is found 555 times in the Bible. We also found, according to the lineage of Luke chapter 3, that He is the 77[SUP]th[/SUP] in line from God the Father. When we count forward to the 555[SUP]th[/SUP] chapter of the Bible, we find that it takes us to Psalm 77! Our God is a God of perfect order, and so then is His Word. Might it also surprise you to know that the word "church" is found 77 times in the Authorized Version?!!!!
Now, let’s take this just a little further. Let’s look at the 77[SUP]th[/SUP] chapter of the Bible. It is Exodus 27 (20+7). This chapter has 21 (7x3) verses in it. In the 21[SUP]st[/SUP] verse we find this passage.

(Exo 27:21) "In the tabernacle of the congregation without the veil, which is before the testimony, Aaron and his sons shall order it from evening to morning before the LORD: it shall be a statute for ever unto their generations on the behalf of the children of Israel."

This phrase is a common phrase that refers to the church of the Old Testament. This is the first occurrence of this name for the church. It is found in the 77[SUP]th[/SUP] chapter of the Bible, the 21[SUP]st[/SUP] verse. This phrase is found exactly 21 (7x3) times in the Book of Exodus. It is found exactly 133 (7x19) times in the whole Bible! (19 just happens to be 7+12!)
And the list goes on and on.
Allow me to display some of the 7 related patterns in column form. In this first column, we will list the various titles and attributes given to God and His Son Jesus, followed by the number of times that particular phrase is mentioned in the KJV.

Son of Man 196 times (49x4)
Jesus Christ 196 times (49x4)
Word of God 49 times (7x7)
Son of God 49 times in the New Testament (only once in OT)
Most High 49 times
The Word of the Lord 245 times (49x5)
The Word 7 times
Husbandman 7 times
My Beloved Son 7 times
His Son 7 times
Firstborn 7 times
Thy Word 7 times in the New Testament
"It is Written" 63 times (7x9) in the New Testament
Jesus and Grace 49 times in the same verse
Holy Spirit 7 times
Breath (form of Spirit) 42 times (6x7)
Thunders (God’s voice) 7 times
God of Israel 203 times (7x29)

I will now list for you the various names that are identified with the Church, along with the number of times they are mentioned in the scriptures. Many of these have not previously been mentioned.

Church 77 times (as in the 77 generations of Luke 3)
Kingdom of God 70 times, found only in the New Testament
Assembly 49 times
Bride 14 times
Firstfruits 7 times in the New Testament
Daughter of Zion (or Sion) 28 times (7x4)
Daughter of Jerusalem 7 times
Daughters of Jerusalem 7 times (all in the Song of Solomon, found only one other time in Luke 23:28)
Children of Israel 644 times (7x92)
Congregation 49 times in the Book of Exodus
Tabernacle of the Congregation 21 times in Exodus (7x3)
56 times in Numbers (7x8)
Witnesses 49 times
Fishers (as in fishers of men) 7 times
Peculiar 7 times
Kinsmen 7 times
Worshippers 7 times
Workmanship 7 times

this is occult numerology...the bible condemns divination...

ChosenbyHim · Jun 18, 2013

RachelBibleStudent said:

No Rachel, it is not occult numerology. It is Bible Numerics. These beautiful patterns in the King James Bible show and testify to the fact it is a supernatural Book. The King James Bible is a Book of perfect and Divine Order. Showing that its absolutely right and absolutely perfect.

And it illustrates God's perfect nature.

Now in contrast, I can guarantee you that you won't find these same Numerical codes and patterns in the modern versions.

RachelBibleStudent · Jun 18, 2013

ChosenbyHim said:

you gave it a new name...that doesn't change what it is...it is occult numerology...

nowhere in the bible...king james version or otherwise...does God tell anyone to use 'biblical numerics'

instead the bible -condemns- divination...

Agricola · Jun 18, 2013

So you conveniently ignore my posts regarding Nose Rings and Easter V Passover, but then I suppose its nigh on impossible to defend this illogical uneducated paranoid attack on translations.

ChosenbyHim · Jun 18, 2013

RachelBibleStudent said:

No, it is not occult numerology. And it is not divination either. It is Bible Numerics.

RachelBibleStudent said:

And oh is that so? Well let's see what the Scriptures have to say on the matter:

27 Behold, this have I found, saith the preacher, counting one by one, to find out the account: - Ecclesiastes 7:27 (Holy Bible)

Numbers reflect and show the nature of God. Numbers are infinite. They are infinite in the positive and infinite in the negative.

Numbers are constant and they do not change. 10+10 = 20. No matter where you go in the world. And 10x10= 100 and will always equal 100.

So your "occult" argument doesn't hold any weight to it Rachel.

Again, these intriguing and fascinating Numerical patterns and codes show that the King James Bible is indeed a supernatural Book. And by the way, just like there is symbology in the Bible, there also are Numerical patterns and codes in the Holy Bible. Numbers hold a very relevant and important place in the Holy Scriptures. And you cannot deny that Rachel.

ChosenbyHim · Jun 19, 2013

Agricola said:

I am getting to them now Agricola, keep in mind I do have a job.

Blain · Jun 19, 2013

Chosenbyhim, If all other bibles are satanic as you claim why do these very bibles you speak so strongly against save souls everyday and give strength and hope to them? Is this not what the bible is for? How can something satanic do the work of God?

RachelBibleStudent · Jun 19, 2013

ChosenbyHim said:

you have taken that verse -completely- out of context...here is more context...

ecclesiastes 7:27-28..."Behold, this have I found, saith the preacher, counting one by one, to find out the account: Which yet my soul seeketh, but I find not: one man among a thousand have I found; but a woman among all those have I not found."

when read in context...this passage is about counting -people-...it has -nothing whatsoever- to do with counting up words or verses or any of the occult nonsense you are promoting...

the fact that you are is engaged in divination shows that this 'king james only' cult is totally -demonic-

ChosenbyHim · Jun 19, 2013

Agricola said:

Well I don't know what point Brother Terry Watkins was trying to get at in regard to the cannibalism comment. But one thing is for sure. I believe that the King James Bible is right and the other translations are wrong. Let's compare them:

New International Version (©2011)
"I asked her, 'Whose daughter are you?' "She said, 'The daughter of Bethuel son of Nahor, whom Milkah bore to him.' "Then I put the ring in her nose and the bracelets on her arms,

New Living Translation (©2007)
"Then I asked, 'Whose daughter are you?' She replied, 'I am the daughter of Bethuel, and my grandparents are Nahor and Milcah.' So I put the ring on her nose, and the bracelets on her wrists.

English Standard Version (©2001)
Then I asked her, ‘Whose daughter are you?’ She said, ‘The daughter of Bethuel, Nahor’s son, whom Milcah bore to him.’ So I put the ring on her nose and the bracelets on her arms.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"Then I asked her, and said, 'Whose daughter are you?' And she said, 'The daughter of Bethuel, Nahor's son, whom Milcah bore to him'; and I put the ring on her nose, and the bracelets on her wrists.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And I asked her, and said, Whose daughter art thou? And she said, The daughter of Bethuel, Nahor's son, whom Milcah bare unto him: and I put the earring upon her face, and the bracelets upon her hands.

Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
Then I asked her: Whose daughter are you? She responded, 'The daughter of Bethuel son of Nahor, whom Milcah bore to him.' So I put the ring on her nose and the bracelets on her wrists.

International Standard Version (©2012)
"That's when I asked, 'Whose daughter are you?' "She replied, 'I'm the daughter of Bethuel, Nahor's son, whom Milcah bore for him.' "So I gave her a ring for her nose and bracelets for her wrists.

NET Bible (©2006)
Then I asked her, 'Whose daughter are you?' She replied, 'The daughter of Bethuel the son of Nahor, whom Milcah bore to Nahor.' I put the ring in her nose and the bracelets on her wrists.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
"Then I asked her, 'Whose daughter are you?' "She answered, 'The daughter of Bethuel, son of Nahor and Milcah.' "I put the ring in her nose and the bracelets on her wrists.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
And I asked her, and said, Whose daughter are you? And she said, The daughter of Bethuel, Nahor's son, whom Milcah bore unto him: and I put the ring upon her nose, and the bracelets upon her arms.

American King James Version
And I asked her, and said, Whose daughter are you? And she said, the daughter of Bethuel, Nahor's son, whom Milcah bore to him: and I put the earring on her face, and the bracelets on her hands.

Well Agricola, last time I checked Arms, Wrists, and Hands are not the same thing. It is either one or the other. There can only be one that is right.

And in this particular passage, could the King James reading of earring upon her face be referring to a nose ring? Sure. I seem to think that it is talking about a nose ring or nose earring as well. Especially from reading the passage in context.

ChosenbyHim · Jun 19, 2013

Blain said:

Consider this Blain, I am going to answer your question with a question first.

Are there ministers of Satan out there?

Now to further answer your question though, generally speaking the details of the gospel of Jesus Christ and salvation can at times be found even in the most corrupt bible perversion.

But the truth of the matter is this; and I mentioned this earlier. If you want any spiritual power in your life as a Christian and if you are going to grow and mature spiritually, then you are going to need God's complete and perfect word.

Bible Doctrine is severely weakened in the new versions. There are hundreds of word changes, even thousands. And they affect Bible Doctrine.

But also consider this Blain, if Satan would write a bible of his own. How would it look? Now let me give you a hint: it will not look like Anton LaVey's Satanic bible. After all, we know from reading Genesis 3 that Satan is subtil.

Satan would create a bible that looks just like the real one.

Here is an example:

King James Bible (True Bible)

New International Version (Counterfeit)

See what I mean? How do you tell? Well it takes God to open your eyes to the truth.

Hey I used to use an NIV, and an NLT for a little bit. But once the Holy Ghost showed me the truth in regard to the Bible Version Issue. I had to change. I was at that point no longer ignorant. And I then became a King James Bible believer. I converted over to God's perfect and inerrant word.

Bryan Denlinger has shared this in his testimony, and that is he used an NIV for 15 years. Now during that time he was ignorant of the issue, he did not know any better. But once God revealed to him the corruptions and omissions that were in the modern translations, how they attacked the deity of Jesus Christ, the blood atonement, and how they taught lies. He too changed. He repented and began to use the right Bible. He converted to the King James Bible right away.

Once you know the issue, you should do the right thing.

And those people that continue to attack the King James Bible and defend the new versions, especially after they have been shown the Bible Version Issue, I question whether they are really saved or not.

Because if they had the Holy Ghost living in them, they would not be attacking God's perfect word.

ChosenbyHim · Jun 19, 2013

RachelBibleStudent said:

Rachel I know what the passage said, but what I showed you is a Scripture that shows the process of counting.

Here, I'll quote even more of the chapter for you:

20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
21 Also take no heed unto all words that are spoken; lest thou hear thy servant curse thee:
22 For oftentimes also thine own heart knoweth that thou thyself likewise hast cursed others.
23 All this have I proved by wisdom: I said, I will be wise; but it was far from me.
24 That which is far off, and exceeding deep, who can find it out?
25 I applied mine heart to know, and to search, and to seek out wisdom, and the reason of things, and to know the wickedness of folly, even of foolishness and madness:
26 And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart is snares and nets, and her hands as bands: whoso pleaseth God shall escape from her; but the sinner shall be taken by her.
27 Behold, this have I found, saith the preacher, counting one by one, to find out the account:
28 Which yet my soul seeketh, but I find not: one man among a thousand have I found; but a woman among all those have I not found.
29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions. - Ecclesiastes 7:20-29 (Holy Bible)

And here is a Scriputure where a man that has understanding is exhorted to do some counting. And in this case, it is to count the number of the beast:

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. - Revelation 13:15-18 (Holy Bible)

So we can see that numbers in the Scriptures are indeed very relevant. And did it dawn on you Rachel, that there is a book in the Holy Bible titled Numbers?

Isn't that neat? I sure think it is.

And you cannot find any passage in the Scriptures that supports your "occult" argument. And the only reason why you bring up your silly "Occult" argument is because you just want to avoid having to change. Truth of it is Rachel, you don't want to change your position. Why? I think its pride. Maybe it is your "education" that you got at some seminary. Facts are facts Rachel. Stop trying to avoid having to change your position. You are in error. And you better repent. There is not that much time left. The rapture is very near and you will answer for how you've wrongfully tried justifying the new and corrupt modern versions which attack our Lord and Saviour!

You better wake up and you better start using some discernment. Read some books on the Bible Version Issue. If you don't like Peter Ruckman, then get a book by Douglas Stauffer, if you don't like Douglas Stauffer, then get a book by Gail Riplinger, if you don't like Gail Riplinger, then get a book by Mike Hoggard, if you don't like Mike Hoggard, then get a book by William P. Grady.

You have no excuse for your error Rachel. There are plenty of good resources and information out there on the Bible Version Issue.

And again, where in the Scriptures does it teach that counting numbers, words, phrases or verses is divination? Where does it say that it is divination? Chapter and verse, please?

Nautilus · Jun 19, 2013

ive just decided to scoff every kjv i see read my choice of translations and take my chances

NiceneCreed · Jun 19, 2013

I could not agree more the Scripture teaches itself; however, define the context of 1Corinthians 2:13. There is no disputing there is a difference between 'authorial intent' and 'reader response,' yet should we approach the reading of Scripture with a "feels-right approach"? I think not. Would the Holy Spirit not want for us to gain an understanding of Historical-cultural context, literary meaning, literal meaning, etc., by studying the Word of God diligently? Recall also what is said in 2Timothy 2:15: "Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth" (New International Version, 2011). There is no doubt Scripture is the authoritative, inspired, and inerrant Word of God. Indeed, I believe in verbal-plenary inspiration, and I believe, also, the Gospel autographs are perfect beyond a shadow of doubt. Yet if one does not have a proper understanding of authorial intent ( a grasp of the message as it is intended to be understood by the authors; human writers and the Holy Spirit), then what can one gain from its revelatory truth? Scripture is objective, as opposed to subjective. Tell me, though, does God not intend for us to study His Word carefully? My concern is one who employs a "feels-right approach" when reading Scripture is in danger of 'eisegetical' interpretation. Lastly, Scripture is the best interpreter of itself, but unless one has an understanding of its context, they are prone to err when reading it, even those like myself, who have a zeal for properly dividing the Word of Truth. Thank you and God Bless!

Grace and Peace!

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