The Doctrine of Hell: Under Attack

[Grace777x70]

Ahh yes but what is that "hell"

That is the question.

And what happens when this "hell" is thrown in the lake of fire. Some things just seem to be a mystery and perhaps that is by design by the Lord.

 

[Ahwatukee]

And what happens when this "hell" is thrown in the lake of fire. Some things just seem to be a mystery and perhaps that is by design by the Lord.

Scripture states the both death and Hades are thrown into the lake of fire. I believe that this is referring to the literal beings that represent death and Hades. And that because the lake of fire is a place of torment.

 

[Stephen63]

Again and one more time...How does teaching and reteaching Hell edify a spiritually mature saint....that understands they are not going to hell....

I find only those deceived into believing dispensation and secret "rapture theologies" feel compelled to remind people where they could go....saints who know that the Spirit bears witness with their spirit that they are children of God and joint heirs do not need to be reminded of place they are not going.....only spiritually immature preachers without better things to preach feel compelled to consistently teach and preach to saints where they are not going....

How does teaching and reteaching salvation edify a spiritually mature saint....that understands they are already saved?

Simple. there are those not saved in the congregation.

To your question..... there are those backsliding in the congregation.

The Holy Spirit ministers to everyone..... but not all at the same time.

Since Hell is NT, there will be times it will & should be taught like any other NT doctrine.

The reason the church is ignorant is because the whole NT isn't taught, but only favorite "positive" portions that are twisted to tell us how good we are, or that all the promises & privileges of the kingdom are all ours.

"Excite me & tell me how good I am"

 

[Stephen63]

The question made your religious head explode so bad it resulted in you making attacks on someones character, assuming they do not know the Word, and conjectures about ones ministry and the fruit is has bared you know nothing about....

Pity your mouth erases any anointing you seem you have....

Is this Meggido, or someone else who hacked his account?

 

[preacher4truth]

And now...assumes I have no clue what the Fear of the Lord is....

Perhaps he's correct.

 

[Snoozy]

how can u show anyone da love of Jesus without telling them about hell?? the love is that Jesus died so we dont have to go to hell..
or is it da emergant church hippie trash with love this and love that. lets just feel good and talk about love? lets not look at da biblical definition of love but da worldly one. thats new age not christianity.

 

[Willie-T]

And now the crown prince of false rapture teaching assumes I have no clue what the Fear of the Lord is....

You have to let him do his thing. Some will, forever, understand only terror and fear, and perhaps never come to know loving awe and respect as motivators for their devotion to God.

 

[Snoozy]

You have to let him do his thing. Some will, forever, understand only terror and fear, and perhaps never come to know loving awe and respect as motivators for their devotion to God.

define God's love.

 

[Stephen63]

And now the crown prince of false rapture teaching assumes I have no clue what the Fear of the Lord is....

You're totally out of line with this statement. This was uncalled for.

 

[Stephen63]

Death is always associated with oblivion, corruption, dissolution, returning to the dust, passing away as a shadow, the end of thought, knowledge, activity or memory.

SHEOL is a term for the place of the dead in general, and for this reason "hell" in its original and uncorrupted meaning is a better word for sheol than "grave" is.

"Grave" primarily means the specific place of a particular corpse or corpses. The Hebrew for this is geber, as --

• "My grave (geber) which I digged for me" (Gen. 50:5).
  "The king wept at the grave (geber) of Abner" (2 Sam. 3:32).

On the other hand, sheol in the Hebrew and "hell" in its primary meaning are general terms as (Psa. 6:5) --

• "In the grave (sheol) who shall give Thee thanks?"
  "Hell (sheol) and destruction are never full" (Prov. 27:20).

However, while "grave" used as a general term will well fit all passages where sheol occurs, "hell" in the popular sense would be absurd in some places and would immediately reveal the popular error. For example, where Jacob says (Gen. 37:35) --

• "I will go down into sheol unto my son mourning."

And where Job says (14:13) --

• "O that Thou wouldest hide me in sheol."

It is not to be supposed that either Jacob or Job anticipated or hoped to go to eternal torment.

In all the 65 places where Sheol is found, there is not one that gives any countenance to the idea of a place of burning torment of the damned. It is always in the sense of the general hidden state of the dead -- all the dead -- good and bad alike.

And not only is Sheol used as the resting place of all the dead indiscriminately, but we have specific mention of righteousness and approved men going there and expecting to go there.

We have seen this of Jacob and Job. Also David (Psa. 88:3), Hezekiah (Isa. 38:10), Christ (Psa. 16:10; Acts 2:31; 3:15), and all the faithful (compare Hos. 13:14 with 1 Cor. 15:54-56).

Sheol is a place of silence --

• "Let the wicked be ashamed, and let them be silent in Sheol" (Psa. 31:17).
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  "The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence" (Psa. 115:17).

There is no remembrance there (Psa. 6:5) --

• "In death there is no remembrance of Thee, in Sheol who shall give Thee thanks?"

Sheol is "in the dust" and there we "rest together" "in darkness" (Job 17:13-16). Beauty is consumed there (Psa. 49:14). There is no work or knowledge there --

• "There is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in Sheol whither thou goest" (Ecc. 9:10).

It is dark there, and is called the "land of forgetfulness," and "destruction" --

• "Wilt Thou show wonders to the dead? Shall the dead arise and praise Thee?"
  "Shall Thy loving kindness be declared in Sheol? Or Thy faithfulness in destruction?"
  
  "Shall Thy wonders be known in the dark? And Thy righteousness in the land of forgetfulness?" (Psa. 88:10-12).
• The "mighty" are spoken of as lying there with "their swords under their heads" (Eze. 32:27). This is a clear reference to the ancient custom of burying warriors in their graves with their weapons of war, but quite at variance with the traditional hell of torment.

Are you forgetting to give credit to the author or plagiarizing to look smart?
This article is found at : http://www.bereanecclesialnews.com/rg/Hell Is The Grave.html

 

[UnderGrace]

I do agree, why does it become personal.

You're totally out of line with this statement. This was uncalled for.

 

[valiant]

Revelation 20:10
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New International Version
And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

New Living Translation
Then the devil, who had deceived them, was thrown into the fiery lake of burning sulfur, joining the beast and the false prophet. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

English Standard Version
and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Berean Study Bible
And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, into which the beast and the false prophet had already been thrown. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

New American Standard Bible
And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

so that simply proves what I say, it is the devil and his minions who are cast ALIVE into the Lake of Fire; it applies to no one else. They alone are to be tormented forever.

 

[valiant]

Scripture states the both death and Hades are thrown into the lake of fire. I believe that this is referring to the literal beings that represent death and Hades. And that because the lake of fire is a place of torment.

it seems you will believe anything that suits your arguments however farfetched it might be

 

[Stephen63]

so that simply proves what I say, it is the devil and his minions who are cast ALIVE into the Lake of Fire; it applies to no one else. They alone are to be tormented forever.

What you fail to understand is that yes, those people are dead, but their spirits are quite alive.

 

[Meggido]

How does teaching and reteaching salvation edify a spiritually mature saint....that understands they are already saved?

Simple. there are those not saved in the congregation.

To your question..... there are those backsliding in the congregation.

The Holy Spirit ministers to everyone..... but not all at the same time.

Since Hell is NT, there will be times it will & should be taught like any other NT doctrine.

The reason the church is ignorant is because the whole NT isn't taught, but only favorite "positive" portions that are twisted to tell us how good we are, or that all the promises & privileges of the kingdom are all ours.

"Excite me & tell me how good I am"

thank you Stephen...someone answered my question...

Now that someone did let me add more.....

I do believe we have to teach there is a hell to shun and a heaven to gain. My point is that some churches dwell on hell fire and brimstone, damnation all the time and that is just as bad or worse than not doing it all....

PS: I think it is pretty disingenuous for you to say I was talking to someone out of line, when you do it all the time....

 

[Ahwatukee]

You have to let him do his thing. Some will, forever, understand only terror and fear, and perhaps never come to know loving awe and respect as motivators for their devotion to God.

I love God and also fear God. He is the One who has the power over life and death and he is the one who chooses us. In light of this, you might want to do what I did many years ago and that is to highlight everywhere that the word "fear the Lord" appear. I came across this phrase so many times that I was continually highlighting this in both the old and new testament. Here is some prophesying from Mary, the mother of Jesus:

"And Mary said:“My soul glorifies the Lord
and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
for he has been mindful
of the humble state of his servant.
From now on all generations will call me blessed,
for the Mighty One has done great things for me—
holy is his name.
His mercy extends to those who fear him,
from generation to generation."

The love and fear God go hand in hand. Jesus had this to say to his disciples and therefore all believers:

"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. " - Matt.10:28



Strong's Concordance

phobeó: to put to flight, to terrify, frighten​

Original Word: φοβέομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: phobeó
Phonetic Spelling: (fob-eh'-o)
Short Definition: I fear, am terrified
Definition: I fear, dread, reverence, am afraid, terrified.

If Daniel, one who was highly esteemed trembled in God's presence, then this the right spirit before God:

"I, Daniel, was the only one who saw the vision; those who were with me did not see it, but such terror overwhelmed them that they fled and hid themselves. So I was left alone, gazing at this great vision; I had no strength left, my face turned deathly pale and I was helpless. Then I heard him speaking, and as I listened to him, I fell into a deep sleep, my face to the ground. A hand touched me and set me trembling on my hands and knees. He said, “Daniel, you who are highly esteemed, consider carefully the words I am about to speak to you, and stand up, for I have now been sent to you.” And when he said this to me, I stood up trembling."

"the LORD delights in those who fear him, who put their hope in his unfailing love."

If there was anyone to fear, it would be God.

 

[Magenta]

Jesus holds the keys to life and death. If you align yourself with God's plan for humanity by accepting Jesus' propitiatory sacrifice upon the cross to pay the sin debt, you pass from death into life ever after, which is the promise extended to believers. All else pass into the second death. Some want to say Jesus also holds the keys to the torture chamber. They malign the nature and character of God is so doing, but seem to see nothing wrong with ignoring the plain teaching of Scripture that the wages of sin is death. God is good, God is merciful, God is loving, and God is just. They ignore that, too

 

[valiant]

What you fail to understand is that yes, those people are dead, but their spirits are quite alive.

where does it say so?

 

[Nehemiah6]

Some want to say Jesus also holds the keys to the torture chamber.

That's your biased and prejudicial interpretation of the Lake of Fire. You seem to forget the reason for its existence. Hell was created ("prepared") for the Devil and his angels BECAUSE they rebelled against God, caused the first humans to sin, and thereby brought a curse upon everything including creation. Justice demands that evildoers be punished.

If a hardened criminal were to deliberately attack and kill one of your loved ones, you would demand justice. Well God is the righteous Judge who demands that these evildoers pay for their sins. So it is not a "torture chamber" as you mockingly suggest, but the Lake of Fire is a righteously created place for the punishment of spirit beings.

At the same time God offers His grace and salvation to ALL MEN, so that none should go to Hell, but that all should come to repentance and salvation. God did not create Hell for human beings, but if they refuse to obey the Gospel, they also condemn themselves as rebels against God's offer of mercy, pardon, forgiveness, and eternal life. That is a very serious matter in God's eyes, because His only begotten Son paid a very high price for the salvation of the world.

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. (John 3:17).

 

[Stephen63]

where does it say so?

Revelation 20
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11Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. 12And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.15And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.