The Heresy of Perfectionism
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Consider this: if you are right and I am wrong, I have not harmed you in the least by suggesting you need to live a more godly life. If, however, I am right and you are wrong, thousands (possibly including you) will come to the knowledge of these truths only as they arrive in eternity and to their horror discover they are forever condemned to Hell. Therefore I will leave you these questions.
Ask yourself:
1. Is this life, your pet theology, or your favorite sin worth your soul?
2. Would you not give up everything for a chance to spend eternity with God?
3. The great day of judgment will indeed come one day. are you ready today, to stand before God and give an account?
Ask yourself:
1. Is this life, your pet theology, or your favorite sin worth your soul?
2. Would you not give up everything for a chance to spend eternity with God?
3. The great day of judgment will indeed come one day. are you ready today, to stand before God and give an account?
do i want to believe YOU about you?
or do i believe JOHN about you?
2 John 1:7
Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.
i'll go with John......
all the rest of your "doctrines" fit to a T.
or do i believe JOHN about you?
2 John 1:7
Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.
i'll go with John......
all the rest of your "doctrines" fit to a T.
Your strawman has no legs. I do not deny the humanity of Christ. I affirm it quite strongly.
You are one of the dogs, and swine Jesus warned us not to share our pearls with.
Matthew 7: 6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
The objectionable habit of dogs is used by Peter to teach the reprehensible condition of the apostate child of God in 2nd Peter 2:22 "The dog is turned to his own vomit again" The term "dog" is figuratively used to stand for false teachers and those who shall be outside of heaven.
Dogs "rend you" or according to the Amplified Version, "tear you in pieces." How do people with the capacity, aptitude, and lack of appreciation of the value of the gospel rend you? Such people when especially presented with repeated efforts to teach them can actually resort to literal physical violence. In Acts 7 we see that those to whom Stephen preached murdered him. Often, the assault is verbal. The dogs will assign an evil motive to any and every thing you say, attempting to make you appear the sinner. They will resort to lying and slandering you
Swine were associated with filth and were also used by Peter regarding the fallen away ones. It was appropriate that the prodigal son ended up "feeding the swine"
The swine will trample the pearls under foot. When presented with the gospel, the swine will be seen desecrating the message of the gospel. It is they who often contend that man’s salvation is by grace alone and that it does not matter how christians live. They cheapen the grace of God and turn it into a license to commit sin.
You are one of the dogs, and swine Jesus warned us not to share our pearls with.
Matthew 7: 6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
The objectionable habit of dogs is used by Peter to teach the reprehensible condition of the apostate child of God in 2nd Peter 2:22 "The dog is turned to his own vomit again" The term "dog" is figuratively used to stand for false teachers and those who shall be outside of heaven.
Dogs "rend you" or according to the Amplified Version, "tear you in pieces." How do people with the capacity, aptitude, and lack of appreciation of the value of the gospel rend you? Such people when especially presented with repeated efforts to teach them can actually resort to literal physical violence. In Acts 7 we see that those to whom Stephen preached murdered him. Often, the assault is verbal. The dogs will assign an evil motive to any and every thing you say, attempting to make you appear the sinner. They will resort to lying and slandering you
Swine were associated with filth and were also used by Peter regarding the fallen away ones. It was appropriate that the prodigal son ended up "feeding the swine"
The swine will trample the pearls under foot. When presented with the gospel, the swine will be seen desecrating the message of the gospel. It is they who often contend that man’s salvation is by grace alone and that it does not matter how christians live. They cheapen the grace of God and turn it into a license to commit sin.
I agree, the sad thing is however many that claim to be christians are not. their fruit tells on them.
Matthew 7
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Matthew 7
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
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The bible is clear that we can a judge a man, or a doctrine for that matter, according to it's fruit. I challenge anyone to compare the life of John Calvin and the history of Calvinism then compare that to the life of John Wesley and the history of the Wesleyan movement.
While Calvin did bring some sense of order to the Reformation, he ordered a man (Micheal Servitus) to be killed despite his own bel;iefs / teachings on the Soveregnty of God that the actions of no man can further help or hurt the cause of Christ. Not only was Calvin guilty of murder but of hypocrisy as well. As a result, several groups of intolerant Calvinists went on to persecute and kill other Christian groups who refused to bow the knee to Calvin's doctrines of sin and compromise thus concealing their own sin & hypocrisy by pointing the fingers at others who do not line up to their belief system and crying "wolf".
Wesley, on the other hand, played an integral role in the greatest move of God since Pentecost known as the First Great Awakening where hundreds of thousands were saved on horseback and via sail boat. The fruits of Wesleyanism have been even more revival, Charles Finney and the 2nd Great Awakening in the 1800's where hundreds of thousands more were saved, the Welsh Revival at the turn of the 20th century which brought the entire nation of Whales to it's knees in repentance, and let's not forget Azusa Street which has brought millions to Christ in the last 105 years.
While Calvin did bring some sense of order to the Reformation, he ordered a man (Micheal Servitus) to be killed despite his own bel;iefs / teachings on the Soveregnty of God that the actions of no man can further help or hurt the cause of Christ. Not only was Calvin guilty of murder but of hypocrisy as well. As a result, several groups of intolerant Calvinists went on to persecute and kill other Christian groups who refused to bow the knee to Calvin's doctrines of sin and compromise thus concealing their own sin & hypocrisy by pointing the fingers at others who do not line up to their belief system and crying "wolf".
Wesley, on the other hand, played an integral role in the greatest move of God since Pentecost known as the First Great Awakening where hundreds of thousands were saved on horseback and via sail boat. The fruits of Wesleyanism have been even more revival, Charles Finney and the 2nd Great Awakening in the 1800's where hundreds of thousands more were saved, the Welsh Revival at the turn of the 20th century which brought the entire nation of Whales to it's knees in repentance, and let's not forget Azusa Street which has brought millions to Christ in the last 105 years.
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too late.
oh...SO RIGHTEOUS.
2 Cortinthians 11
It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
slick. only trouble is you guys can't get a pulpit with the lost so you bring your junk to the christians.
you take the best seat if that's what you want like. the prophets are happy to take you in.
the OP already stated quite nicely exactly who it is that cheapens Grace - the perfectionist heretics.
oh...SO RIGHTEOUS.
2 Cortinthians 11
It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
slick. only trouble is you guys can't get a pulpit with the lost so you bring your junk to the christians.
you take the best seat if that's what you want like. the prophets are happy to take you in.
the OP already stated quite nicely exactly who it is that cheapens Grace - the perfectionist heretics.
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very misleading...repenting and allowing Jesus to free us from our flesh?
If that were the truth. Our bible would be a one page flyer. Why dont you
share the gospel. Teach the whole council of God. What I see in your posts
is a oversimplified boast and position to separate believers. You make
presumptious judgements about mens state of soul. Which is not at all necessary
to dialogue on a doctrine, or to give your best opinion on things.
Gods grace and mercy im afraid is bigger than you imagine, but some sins
when it comes to causing divisions, especially when it is over things that take
time to understand, im afraid are not as permittable.
Its like a parent who feels so superior to a child. And scoffs at a child.
Rather sickning right. But im not thinking your like that. What I think about you
is that you just like thinking you an important voice in the wilderness. But keep
in mind, Jesus patiently taught His followers for years, and still they had to keep
learning to grow. The apostles also patiently taught the church. And the scriptures
tell us to patiently teach other men.
Maybe ive missed it buy ive seen no teaching from romans from you, just
blunt statements, and challanging, if not provoking statements. If all you
want is to be right and win....then here you go..
your right, we are wrong, you win..congradualations
