The Heresy of Perfectionism
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]How Charles Finney's Theology Ravaged the Evangelical Movement[/FONT]
Finney's "conversion" does not seem to have altered his skepticism about his denomination's stance on any of these crucial evangelical doctrines. After his experiential crisis, those were the very issues on which he dissented from the Presbyterian Confession—only now with more vigor than ever. The intense emotional experience Finney regarded as his new birth seems merely to have confirmed his feeling that he was right about Christianity and Scripture—and that most of the leaders of his denomination were either stupid or deluded.
In fact, in his own account of his conversion and theological "training," Finney comes across as utterly unteachable. He meticulously recounts the issues on which he and Pastor Gale disagreed. They are for the most part the same points Finney says he objected to before his conversion. Never once does Finney acknowledge conceding any point to Gale (or to anyone else, for that matter). He obviously believed that his intuitive grasp of spiritual truth, combined with his legal training, automatically made him more doctrinally adept than all the seminary-trained Presbyterian preachers combined. He consistently portrays church leaders who adhered to the Confession of Faith as dupes and dullards.
"A truth's initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. It wasn't the world being round that agitated people, but that the world wasn't flat. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and the speaker a raving lunatic.”
You have been so steeped in the church culture that the truth will actually be shocking to you, and it is not just you. I know many of good, godly people that had to unlearn most, if not all they had been taught in church/ seminary ect......
Let the Holy Spirit be your guide, not doctrine of demons taught by men
You have been so steeped in the church culture that the truth will actually be shocking to you, and it is not just you. I know many of good, godly people that had to unlearn most, if not all they had been taught in church/ seminary ect......
Let the Holy Spirit be your guide, not doctrine of demons taught by men
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well I havnt seen one, not even one. really I havnt been everywhere reading everything but i did see you agree
with cobus, so id have to say I understand you a little, but still I have to just stay with you and
try to see who you are and what you mean, in your terms.
i asked u questions and u didnt answer. They were questions about scripture.
Do you ever sin?
with cobus, so id have to say I understand you a little, but still I have to just stay with you and
try to see who you are and what you mean, in your terms.
i asked u questions and u didnt answer. They were questions about scripture.
Do you ever sin?
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talk about getting doctrine from devils.
'I am a sinner saved by grace''
This is not even a biblical statement. We do not continue to be sinners after salvation. We were sinners until we were saved by grace. After salvation, we become new creatures, we become the righteousness of God.
2nd Corinthians 2:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature; old things are passed away; behold all things become new.
2nd Corinthians 2:21 For He hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.
Once we get saved we are no longer sinners, we may not be perfect but we are no longer sinners. I know sanctification is an ongoing process, but if you are still a sinner, you are not truly saved.
1st John 3:7-9
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous.
8 He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifest, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Those that are in Christ do not constantly continue to commit sin, and those that do constantly continue to commit sin are not in Christ.
THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR SIN.
This is not even a biblical statement. We do not continue to be sinners after salvation. We were sinners until we were saved by grace. After salvation, we become new creatures, we become the righteousness of God.
2nd Corinthians 2:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature; old things are passed away; behold all things become new.
2nd Corinthians 2:21 For He hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.
Once we get saved we are no longer sinners, we may not be perfect but we are no longer sinners. I know sanctification is an ongoing process, but if you are still a sinner, you are not truly saved.
1st John 3:7-9
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous.
8 He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifest, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Those that are in Christ do not constantly continue to commit sin, and those that do constantly continue to commit sin are not in Christ.
THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR SIN.
I asked you 4runner what a sinner was. untill i know what YOU mean by "sinner" im sure we wont be able to relate
if we have packed different meanings into the word.
if we have packed different meanings into the word.
Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Sinners are workers of iniquity, and will be cast away come judgment day (unless of course Jesus is also a liar, and heretic?)