The institution of the real presence of Jesus' body in the eucharist.

[eternally-gratefull]

Roman Catholic Cop: Five Reasons We Need Eucharist: 20th Sunday in Ordinary Time

also

The pledge of our resurrection
As a last effect we may mention that the Eucharist is the “pledge of our glorious resurrection and eternal happiness” (Council of Trent, Sess. XIII, cap. ii), according to the promise of Christ: “He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up on the last day.” Hence the chief reason why the ancient Fathers, as Ignatius (Ephes., 20), Irenæus (Adv. haer., IV, xviii, 4), and Tertullian (De resurr. carn., viii), as well as later patristic writers, insisted so strongly upon our future resurrection, was the circumstance that it is the door by which we enter upon unending happiness. There can be nothing incongruous or improper in the fact that the body also shares in this effect of Communion, since by its physical contact with theEucharist species, and hence (indirectly) with the living Flesh of Christ, it acquires a moral right to its future resurrection...HOLY EUCHARIST - THE OLD ROMAN CATHOLIC MISSION SOUTH EAST UK

This did not answer my question. Eternal life means one is made alive, and will never die (spiritually) again. Which is exactly what Jesus said is promised to those who eat his flesh. (they will never die, live forever, and be raised by him)

So I ask again. If I eat the eucharist, does this means I am guaranteed to go to heaven, and have no fear of going to hell?

Yes or no answer is fine.

 

[Hearer]

WHAT A DISGRACE YOU MAKE OF HIS DEATH, KILLING HIM OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND TALKING ABOUT EATING GOD.

AT LEAST OTHER CATHOLICS ON THIS BOARD HAVE THE DECENCY TO NOT GO WHERE YOU'VE GONE.

SHAMEFUL!

MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL.

• Albert Fish, an American serial killer and cannibal
• Alferd Packer, was accused but not convicted of cannibalism
• Androphagi, an ancient nation of cannibals
• Armin Meiwes, a German cannibal
• Asmat people, a Papua group with a reputation of cannibalism.
• Cannibalism in popular culture
• Chijon family, a Korean gang that killed and ate rich people.
• Essex, a sunken whaleship whose sailors resorted to cannibalism for survival.
• Eucharist
• Homo antecessor
• Issei Sagawa, a popular Japanese celebrity who killed and ate a fellow student.
• Jeffrey Dahmer, an American serial killer and cannibal
• Kuru, a cannibalism-related brain disease amongst Fore tribe of Papua New Guinea.
• Manifesto Antropófago
• Mili Atoll, an atoll of the Marshall Islands, where Japanese ate Korean flesh during World War II.
• Placentophagy
• R v Dudley and Stephens, an important trial of two men accused of shipwreck cannibalism.
• Sexual cannibalism
• Transmissible spongiform encephalopathy
• Udre Udre, a Fijian who holds the Guinnness record for cannibalism
• Vorarephilia
• Wari', an Amerindian tribe that practiced cannibalism.

Reasons for pagan persecution of Christians

The early Christians partook regularly of communion, and spoke of eating and drinking Christ’s body and blood in a symbolic sense. But this was misunderstood by Roman authorities to mean that Christians were guilty of cannibalism. The close fellowship of Christians and the holy kiss were misconstrued as incest and immoral practices. CHURCH HISTORY



Why were Christians persecuted? Much seems to have depended on local governors and how zealously or not they pursued and prosecuted Christians. The reasons why individual Christians were persecuted in this period were varied. In some cases they were perhaps scapegoats, their faith attacked where more personal or local hostilities were at issue.
Contemporary pagan and Christian sources preserve other accusations levelled against the Christians. These included charges of incest and cannibalism, probably resulting from garbled accounts of the rites which Christians celebrated in necessary secrecy, being the agape (the ‘love-feast&#8217 and the Eucharist (partaking of the body and blood of Christ).
BBC - History - Ancient History in depth: Christianity and the Roman Empire

 

[zone]

You miss the point that jesus was telling them what he had told Peter when Peter berated Jesus for saying he had to die.

When will this generation see, when will they hear? Jesus is saying if you cannot accept the hard teachings then you are following the flesh. For crying out loud.

tell me Hearer.
does the priest toss in a little alcohol to The Lord's Blood before y'all drink it?
or does the alcohol disappear when the wine becomes the blood?

were the rowdies at corinth getting DRUNK ON CHRIST'S HOLY BLOOD???

1 Corinthians 11
The Lord’s Supper
17 In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your meetings do more harm than good. 18 In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. 19 No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God’s approval. 20 When you come together, it is not the Lord’s Supper you eat, 21for as you eat, each of you goes ahead without waiting for anybody else. One remains hungry, another gets drunk. 22 Don’t you have homes to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and humiliate those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you for this? Certainly not!

23 For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.
27 Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 A man ought to examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. 29 For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. 31 But if we judged ourselves, we would not come under judgment. 32 When we are judged by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be condemned with the world.

33 So then, my brothers, when you come together to eat, wait for each other. 34 If anyone is hungry, he should eat at home, so that when you meet together it may not result in judgment.

And when I come I will give further directions.

 

[zone]

Reasons for pagan persecution of Christians

The early Christians partook regularly of communion, and spoke of eating and drinking Christ’s body and blood in a symbolic sense. But this was misunderstood by Roman authorities to mean that Christians were guilty of cannibalism. The close fellowship of Christians and the holy kiss were misconstrued as incest and immoral practices. CHURCH HISTORY

Why were Christians persecuted? Much seems to have depended on local governors and how zealously or not they pursued and prosecuted Christians. The reasons why individual Christians were persecuted in this period were varied. In some cases they were perhaps scapegoats, their faith attacked where more personal or local hostilities were at issue.
Contemporary pagan and Christian sources preserve other accusations levelled against the Christians. These included charges of incest and cannibalism, probably resulting from garbled accounts of the rites which Christians celebrated in necessary secrecy, being the agape (the ‘love-feast’) and the Eucharist (partaking of the body and blood of Christ).
BBC - History - Ancient History in depth: Christianity and the Roman Empire

i guess even the pagans at times knew that cannibals were SAVAGES.
i'm through discussing this with you.

 

[Hearer]

tell me Hearer.
does the priest toss in a little alcohol to The Lord's Blood before y'all drink it?
or does the alcohol disappear when the wine becomes the blood?

were the rowdies at corinth getting DRUNK ON CHRIST'S HOLY BLOOD???

The form of the bread and wine remain the same so that we are not cannibals

The amount of alcohol consumed is either very small or non-existent for those who abstain.

The corinthians misbehaved and had to be told off. There behaviour is not an example for us.

 

[zone]

The form of the bread and wine remain the same so that we are not cannibals

The amount of alcohol consumed is either very small or non-existent for those who abstain.

The corinthians misbehaved and had to be told off. There behaviour is not an example for us.

so Christ's real BLOOD IS MIXED WITH ALCOHOL?

 

[Hearer]

so Christ's real BLOOD IS MIXED WITH ALCOHOL?

The alcohol remains alcohol in the very same form it always was from the grape. The aim is to spiritually drink the blood through the form of wine. Otherwise we and you would be justifiably disgusted.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

so Christ's real BLOOD IS MIXED WITH ALCOHOL?

Notice he keeps ignoring my questions. The sad part. is he does not even understand why he can't answer. Blindness is blind, and sad

 

[dscherck]

Notice he keeps ignoring my questions. The sad part. is he does not even understand why he can't answer. Blindness is blind, and sad

He's not the one who's blind...

 

[Hearer]

Thanks dscherck for your support

 

[dscherck]

Thanks dscherck for your support

The Eucharist is one of the things that really makes me overjoyed to be a Catholic now. To be able to literally be in the presence of Our Lord is amazing. Not just spiritually, but physically in the presence of Our Sweetest Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is a treasure that is beyond measure.

 

[Hearer]

The Eucharist is one of the things that really makes me overjoyed to be a Catholic now. To be able to literally be in the presence of Our Lord is amazing. Not just spiritually, but physically in the presence of Our Sweetest Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is a treasure that is beyond measure.

The hymn we sang when I took my firstCommunion touched me very very deeply

the chorus is:

Come and be filled as you sit at my table
quenching your thirst as you drink of my wine;
bringing the mem'ry of my dying and rising
into your bloodstream
which is mingled with mine

and verse 3

No longer I
but now Christ lives within me
I live by faith
in the Son of God

and verse 4

For those in Christ
there is no condemnation
He sets them free
through the Spirit he sends

 

[dscherck]

The hymn we sang when I took my firstCommunion touched me very very deeply

the chorus is:

Come and be filled as you sit at my table
quenching your thirst as you drink of my wine;
bringing the mem'ry of my dying and rising
into your bloodstream
which is mingled with mine

and verse 3

No longer I
but now Christ lives within me
I live by faith
in the Son of God

and verse 4

For those in Christ
there is no condemnation
He sets them free
through the Spirit he sends

I know that most Eastern rite Christians don't really do the whole Eucharistic adoration thing, but I guess coming from a somewhat Westernized background, I can appreciate it. The parish near where I lived in Santa Clara, CA has had perpetual Eucharistic adoration for over 34 years. It was really nice knowing that if I wanted to spend some time not just in Our Lord's spiritual presence, but His physical presence as well, I could do that at any time of the day.

I just wish more parishes offered it out near me.

 

[Hearer]

I know that most Eastern rite Christians don't really do the whole Eucharistic adoration thing, but I guess coming from a somewhat Westernized background, I can appreciate it. The parish near where I lived in Santa Clara, CA has had perpetual Eucharistic adoration for over 34 years. It was really nice knowing that if I wanted to spend some time not just in Our Lord's spiritual presence, but His physical presence as well, I could do that at any time of the day.

I just wish more parishes offered it out near me.

Yes. Where I live there is not perpetual adoration either. Though i really enjoy being in God's presence at mass on a Sunday, "sitting at his table" as it were. Just as those who ate with him at Emmaus and had him present as priest breaking bread. He is the high priest and "victim" in the feast.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

He's not the one who's blind...

He's not? He can't even answer my questions. Someone who can see and understands can answer questions. Not ignore or refuse to answer. If he was not blind he could see and would freely answer my questions.

 

[zone]

Yes. Where I live there is not perpetual adoration either. Though i really enjoy being in God's presence at mass on a Sunday, "sitting at his table" as it were. Just as those who ate with him at Emmaus and had him present as priest breaking bread. He is the high priest and "victim" in the feast.

those who ate with him at Emmaus had their eyes opened.
how many times does this happen for believers?

are you blind again, your mind veiled everytime you are away from the eucharist?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Thanks dscherck for your support

Still waiting. Are you going to prove your not blind and answer my questions. Or prove you are blind by not being able to answer simple basic questions about the flesh of Christ.

 

[zone]

The Eucharist is one of the things that really makes me overjoyed to be a Catholic now. To be able to literally be in the presence of Our Lord is amazing. Not just spiritually, but physically in the presence of Our Sweetest Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is a treasure that is beyond measure.

oh DS....et tu?

i know DS.

surely, surely the Creator of the Universe having come as Jesus Christ does not now literally and physically enter the weak and beggarly elements (one which may or may not contain yeast, the other containing alcohol), things made by the hands of men (and purchased perhaps at the corner liquor store?)?

why must we claim to bring Him down into material elements? can't He be near while remaining God?
can't He be near without animism?

isn't His blessing on the bread and wine and the assembly enough?

i still love you DS.
zone.

 

[zone]

Yes. Where I live there is not perpetual adoration either.



where i live there is perpetual adoration and continual communion, thanks to the earnest of The Holy Spirit.

John 17
The High Priestly Prayer
1When Jesus had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you, 2since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him. 3And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. 4I glorified you on earth, having accomplished the work that you gave me to do. 5And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.

6“I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word. 7Now they know that everything that you have given me is from you. 8For I have given them the words that you gave me, and they have received them and have come to know in truth that I came from you; and they have believed that you sent me. 9I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours. 10All mine are yours, and yours are mine, and I am glorified in them. 11And I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are one. 12While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. 13But now I am coming to you, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have my joy fulfilled in themselves. 14I have given them your word, and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15I do not ask that you take them out of the world, but that you keep them from the evil one.a 16They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.
17Sanctify themb in the truth; your word is truth. 18As you sent me into the world, so I have sent them into the world. 19And for their sake I consecrate myself,c that they also may be sanctifiedd in truth.

20“I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, 21that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, 23I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me. 24Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory that you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world. 25O righteous Father, even though the world does not know you, I know you, and these know that you have sent me. 26I made known to them your name, and I will continue to make it known, that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them.”

 

[eternally-gratefull]

oh DS....et tu?

i know DS.

surely, surely the Creator of the Universe having come as Jesus Christ does not now literally and physically enter the weak and beggarly elements (one which may or may not contain yeast, the other containing alcohol), things made by the hands of men (and purchased perhaps at the corner liquor store?)?

why must we claim to bring Him down into material elements? can't He be near while remaining God?
can't He be near without animism?

isn't His blessing on the bread and wine and the assembly enough?

i still love you DS.
zone.

Thats the problem with man made religion. They take things done or made by mere men, who need saved themselves I might add, and attribute them to God. It is a feel good religion. Because you feel like you have a hand in your own salvation. It is hard for men to think they can do nothing at all to save themselves and rely completely on a God they can't see to save them by doing an act they never witnessed.

Then again, Straight and narrow is the Gate, and FEW there are who enter it