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[IamWhoIam]

I do not care about the King James Bible. The NIV translates the verse properly.

In the Greek text, there is no "it". Period.

Your argument is therefore baseless.

The KJV translates it pretty much the same way, the KJV doesn't say "it" either. I haven't seen any scripture book say it.

 

[heartofdavid]

Whats even more astounding about the watchtower translation (or mistranslation) is that there was not one Language scholar involved...ooops well there was one who was self taught in greek i think.

JW's don't even know that.

They also used the alexandrian text which was thrown out by the early church because of compromised wording.

 

[heartofdavid]

The KJV translates it pretty much the same way, the KJV doesn't say "it" either. I haven't seen any scripture book say it.

I don't doubt it.

He takes his little changed bible to a debate and gets owned.

 

[heartofdavid]

Jesus said. " if you deny me before men,I will deny you before my Father"

Now you think real,real hard about that.

Jehovah testifies Jesus is God.

You DENY it

 

[trofimus]

The KJV translates it pretty much the same way, the KJV doesn't say "it" either. I haven't seen any scripture book say it.

"And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him."
KJV

KJV added "it". And also some other translations like ESV, BLB, YLT.

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Some others like NASB added "He".

"John testified saying, "I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him." NASB

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NIV, Berean Study Bible, Aramaic Bible etc got it right and added nothing:
"Then John gave this testimony: "I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him." NIV

 

[Endoscopy]

There is a lot of misinformation about what the Bible states being posted on this site. The Apostles Creed was created by the early church to seperate the Christians from non Christians. Some here state ideas contrary to the Creed and Bible. There are "denominations" that are not really Christian. Their avowed beliefs are contrary to the Creed and Bible. I posted one as an example and the moderator deleted it. Why??? There are several con Christian organizations falsely taking the mantel of Christianity. Why is it not allowed to name them in a discussion about what the Bible teaches and how they change it??

Moderator please explain why you deleted that post!!!

 

[IamWhoIam]

"And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him."
KJV

KJV added "it". And also some other translations like ESV, BLB, YLT.

---

Some others like NASB added "He".

"John testified saying, "I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him." NASB

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NIV, Berean Study Bible, Aramaic Bible etc got it right and added nothing:
"Then John gave this testimony: "I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him." NIV

I don't see it,


King James Bible
And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

 

[trofimus]

I don't see it,


King James Bible
And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

Its John 1:32

 

[IamWhoIam]

You picked out John, to support what you said, to properly understand it all the gospels need to be viewed not just one verse out of the gospel of John.

 

[IamWhoIam]

Its John 1:32

Is john the only account no it is not, what scripture do you read? No doubt I can find errors in your scripture book you read with out a doubt

 

[jaybird88]

Jesus said. " if you deny me before men,I will deny you before my Father"

Now you think real,real hard about that.

Jehovah testifies Jesus is God.

You DENY it

your inserting trinity into a passage that does not have trinity. the Most High also commands not to add to scripture. might want to think real hard about that.

 

[trofimus]

Is john the only account no it is not, what scripture do you read? No doubt I can find errors in your scripture book you read with out a doubt

You are disorientated.

theQuestiion posted J 1:32 with "it" in the sentence.

KJV added it, its not in Greek.

NIV got it right using nothing, neither "it", nor "he". Thats all I am saying.

 

[Dino246]

Explain away John 1 defining God and Jesus are one and the same. Then John 4 thru 6 demonstrating God and the Spirit are one and the same. Your theology doesn't line up with the Bible. God is one but has three forms. I really can't understand it but the Bible states it as fact.

Care to explain why you are making assumptions about my theology as a response to a list of translations of one verse?

 

[theQuestiion]

Τεθέαμαι τὸ Πνεῦμα καταβαῖνον ὡς περιστερὰν ἐξ οὐρανοῦ, καὶ ἔμεινεν ἐπ’ αὐτόν.
I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him.

Translators did nothing wrong putting "him" to the text. But "it" is not there, so you cant ask why the Spirit is "it".

I am talking about God's spirit, slippery one.

 

[theQuestiion]

The KJV translates it pretty much the same way, the KJV doesn't say "it" either. I haven't seen any scripture book say it.

It's there as it Always HAS BEEN~

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=num+11&version=KJV


BEGINNING WITH 17.

 

[phil36]

hi thequestion

How did the Archangel Michael, become Jesus in the flesh..or did he? Did Michael cease to exist first, then Jesus in the flesh was created and since you don't believe in ressurection, why did Jesus in the flesh cease to exist? and if the Archangel ceased to exist why did god recreate him.... obviously from memory?

Or Maybe the archangel didn't cease to exist and was incarnate as Jesus in the flesh? I think if you could answer this for us please.

 

[trofimus]

I am talking about God's spirit, slippery one.

Then you said that in a wrong way, you should say "he", not "him". Your fault.

But its obvious you do not care about precision very much.

 

[theQuestiion]

Then you said that in a wrong way, you should say "he", not "him". Your fault.
But its obvious you do not care about precision very much.

My you assume much.
We were BOTH talking about the KJV referring to the spirit as "IT".
You said there was no "IT" in the Greek.
I agreed saying there also was no "HIM".

It IS obvious as to your ploy.

 

[theQuestiion]

Now, trofimus, how do you take Numbers 11 telling how God split His spirit into 71 parts?

<font color="#FF8022"><font color="blue">[video]https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=num+11&amp;version=KJV[/video]

Beginning with 17...

 

[Endoscopy]

hi thequestion

How did the Archangel Michael, become Jesus in the flesh..or did he? Did Michael cease to exist first, then Jesus in the flesh was created and since you don't believe in ressurection, why did Jesus in the flesh cease to exist? and if the Archangel ceased to exist why did god recreate him.... obviously from memory?

Or Maybe the archangel didn't cease to exist and was incarnate as Jesus in the flesh? I think if you could answer this for us please.

You ignore John 1:1 to 16. God and Jesus are the same being. Verse 10 says Jesus created world!!!

John 1 New International Version (NIV)

The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.

9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

15 (John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’”) 16 Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.