First of all, where did I say that Jesus "already ascended" BEFORE He told Mary Magdalene what He said in John 20:17. I didn't say that nor imply that.
I said He ascended before the LATER Acts 1 scene you had referred to in your earlier post.
He said to her (ON "FIRSTFRUIT" / His Res-Day), "I HAVE NOT YET ASCENDED, but go to My brethren and SAY UNTO THEM, I ASCEND [active]..." So she went and did what she was told to do, and He then "ascended" to the Father. Recall, this is early in the day.
Then way later that same day, this:
Jesus Appears to the Disciples
(John 20:19-23; 1 John 1:1-4)
36And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. 37But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. 38And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? 39Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. 40And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet. 41And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? 42And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. 43And he took it, and did eat before them.
Jesus Opens the Meaning of Scriptures
44And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. 45Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
[see also Mark 16:9-11 (where it says of MM "and she went and told them..." and so does Jn20:18 say so), then 12-13 (where the two walking went and told the residue of His resurrection), then v.14 where Jesus "appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart because they believed not them which had seen Him after He was risen"]
Ask yourself, why does Jesus tell MM to "go and say unto My brethren I ascend [active] unto My Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God" if / since He is going to see them late in the evening that very same day and could very well tell them HIMSELF about His "40 days later" ascension IF that's what He was talking about.
And ask yourself, why does He now (that very same day) say to them "Handle me..." when He'd just earlier that very day told MM "Touch Me not, FOR I am NOT YET ascended to My Father"
Then recognize that a week earlier (on what we call "Palm Sunday" [when the "69 Weeks" concluded], i.e. on "Nisan 10") it was the very day when, according to Ex12:3,5,6 they were to "select" the sacrificial lamb and examine it for four days, "Your lamb shall be WITHOUT BLEMISH, a male of the first year...". Now look at the passage I referred to in my earlier post, Lev23:10-12 which speaks of the day on their calendar they called "Firstfruit," and note where verse 12 says, "...offer that day when ye wave the sheaf [which you "bring" "unto the priest" per v.10] an he lamb of the first year WITHOUT BLEMISH".
Jesus is both the fulfillment of "the sheaf" and the "he lamb of the first year without blemish" (on the very day they called "Firstfruit"--see also 1Cor15:20)... and because of our connection with Christ (as "the Church which is His body"--all those having come to faith in Christ in "this present age [singular]"), the following also pertains to us:
--"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized INTO JESUS CHRIST [not in water] were baptized INTO HIS DEATH" Rom6:3,
and then v.6 says, "Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him..."
and v.8, "Now if we be DEAD WITH CHRIST...";
Col2:12 says re: us, "having been buried-with Him IN THE BAPTISM" https://biblehub.com/text/colossians/2-12.htm (i.e. His death);
..."wherein also ye are RISEN WITH HIM [/ye were raised-with Him]..." (see also Col3:1-4 on same theme)...;
--and Col2:13 states we are "quickened-together-with Him" (speaking of His bodily resurrection);
...and Eph2:5b-6, speaking of same, says that God "quickened-us-together-with Christ [WHEN HE WAS]...
...and hath raised-us-up-together, and made-us-sit-together [/seated-us-together] IN HEAVENLY PLACES / IN HEAVENLIES in Christ Jesus" (that is, positionally / legally, WHEN HE HIMSELF DID (all those)... not literally (yet).
The "SEATED US TOGETHER IN THE HEAVENLIES [in Christ Jesus]" is what I'm saying He accomplished ON the date called "FIRSTFRUIT"... when He told MM to GO and SAY UNTO them "I ASCEND [active]"... (but later that very evening, told the disciples to "HANDLE ME and see"... because by that point, He'd already fulfilled both "the sheaf" ["wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted for you" Lev23:11] and "the he lamb... without blemish" on the same day the sheaf was brought [to wave], that is, ON FIRSTFRUIT [Nisan 17 that year], always on a Sunday: "on the morrow, after the sabbath").
Then He spent some "40 days" being seen of them, before the Acts 1 scene, where He (while they "beheld') "was taken up"... and "they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went / traveled / journeyed up...". It is THIS "manner" that it is said, "He shall SO come IN LIKE MANNER AS ye have SEEN Him traveling / go into heaven" (that is, VISIBLY--which connects both with the statement that "EVERY EYE shall SEE Him"--when He "RETURNS"--and where 2Th2:8b speaks of when He "shall destroy [that Wicked / man of sin] with the MANIFESTATION of His coming / parousia" and where 1Tim6:15 says, "Which in His times HE SHALL SHEW [/OPENLY MANIFEST], Who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords" [see this phrase used only elsewhere in Rev17:14 and 19:16--when He is "RETURNING" to the earth FOR the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom age, commencing AFTER the Trib yrs of course).
Is any of this in any way helpful, toward your questions? (lol)
I said He ascended before the LATER Acts 1 scene you had referred to in your earlier post.
He said to her (ON "FIRSTFRUIT" / His Res-Day), "I HAVE NOT YET ASCENDED, but go to My brethren and SAY UNTO THEM, I ASCEND [active]..." So she went and did what she was told to do, and He then "ascended" to the Father. Recall, this is early in the day.
Then way later that same day, this:
Jesus Appears to the Disciples
(John 20:19-23; 1 John 1:1-4)
36And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. 37But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. 38And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? 39Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. 40And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet. 41And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? 42And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. 43And he took it, and did eat before them.
Jesus Opens the Meaning of Scriptures
44And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. 45Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
[see also Mark 16:9-11 (where it says of MM "and she went and told them..." and so does Jn20:18 say so), then 12-13 (where the two walking went and told the residue of His resurrection), then v.14 where Jesus "appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart because they believed not them which had seen Him after He was risen"]
Ask yourself, why does Jesus tell MM to "go and say unto My brethren I ascend [active] unto My Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God" if / since He is going to see them late in the evening that very same day and could very well tell them HIMSELF about His "40 days later" ascension IF that's what He was talking about.
And ask yourself, why does He now (that very same day) say to them "Handle me..." when He'd just earlier that very day told MM "Touch Me not, FOR I am NOT YET ascended to My Father"
Then recognize that a week earlier (on what we call "Palm Sunday" [when the "69 Weeks" concluded], i.e. on "Nisan 10") it was the very day when, according to Ex12:3,5,6 they were to "select" the sacrificial lamb and examine it for four days, "Your lamb shall be WITHOUT BLEMISH, a male of the first year...". Now look at the passage I referred to in my earlier post, Lev23:10-12 which speaks of the day on their calendar they called "Firstfruit," and note where verse 12 says, "...offer that day when ye wave the sheaf [which you "bring" "unto the priest" per v.10] an he lamb of the first year WITHOUT BLEMISH".
Jesus is both the fulfillment of "the sheaf" and the "he lamb of the first year without blemish" (on the very day they called "Firstfruit"--see also 1Cor15:20)... and because of our connection with Christ (as "the Church which is His body"--all those having come to faith in Christ in "this present age [singular]"), the following also pertains to us:
--"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized INTO JESUS CHRIST [not in water] were baptized INTO HIS DEATH" Rom6:3,
and then v.6 says, "Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him..."
and v.8, "Now if we be DEAD WITH CHRIST...";
Col2:12 says re: us, "having been buried-with Him IN THE BAPTISM" https://biblehub.com/text/colossians/2-12.htm (i.e. His death);
..."wherein also ye are RISEN WITH HIM [/ye were raised-with Him]..." (see also Col3:1-4 on same theme)...;
--and Col2:13 states we are "quickened-together-with Him" (speaking of His bodily resurrection);
...and Eph2:5b-6, speaking of same, says that God "quickened-us-together-with Christ [WHEN HE WAS]...
...and hath raised-us-up-together, and made-us-sit-together [/seated-us-together] IN HEAVENLY PLACES / IN HEAVENLIES in Christ Jesus" (that is, positionally / legally, WHEN HE HIMSELF DID (all those)... not literally (yet).
The "SEATED US TOGETHER IN THE HEAVENLIES [in Christ Jesus]" is what I'm saying He accomplished ON the date called "FIRSTFRUIT"... when He told MM to GO and SAY UNTO them "I ASCEND [active]"... (but later that very evening, told the disciples to "HANDLE ME and see"... because by that point, He'd already fulfilled both "the sheaf" ["wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted for you" Lev23:11] and "the he lamb... without blemish" on the same day the sheaf was brought [to wave], that is, ON FIRSTFRUIT [Nisan 17 that year], always on a Sunday: "on the morrow, after the sabbath").
Then He spent some "40 days" being seen of them, before the Acts 1 scene, where He (while they "beheld') "was taken up"... and "they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went / traveled / journeyed up...". It is THIS "manner" that it is said, "He shall SO come IN LIKE MANNER AS ye have SEEN Him traveling / go into heaven" (that is, VISIBLY--which connects both with the statement that "EVERY EYE shall SEE Him"--when He "RETURNS"--and where 2Th2:8b speaks of when He "shall destroy [that Wicked / man of sin] with the MANIFESTATION of His coming / parousia" and where 1Tim6:15 says, "Which in His times HE SHALL SHEW [/OPENLY MANIFEST], Who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords" [see this phrase used only elsewhere in Rev17:14 and 19:16--when He is "RETURNING" to the earth FOR the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom age, commencing AFTER the Trib yrs of course).
Is any of this in any way helpful, toward your questions? (lol)
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