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Thaddaeus, in the NIV version the footnotes say "without a cause". All you have to do is look. And even if I didn't know that, it wouldn't effect my walk with God because I know not to be angry with anyone reguardless of whether they deserved it. Jesus was righteous, and He was allowed righteous anger. I am not Jesus, and do not desire to be an angry person.
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There is circular reasoning going on here based upon an assumption.
The KJV was the best for its day. This does not mean that it is inspired into the English language. The English of the KJV was not even the regular language of its day. It is a great representation of literary English for its precision in many ways.
There is significant value to keeping a copy handy. But to say that everyone must use it is a mere opinion with which many would disagree. Most English speaking Americans simply to not readily grasp the text. It is one step removed from being a full blown foreign language to them.
Some of the vocabulary is unfamiliar. Some of the syntax (word order, etc.) is foreign to them.
The struggle is very similar to what Paul said about speaking in tongues (1 Cor. 14).
vs. 2 "for no man understandeth him"
vs. 6 "if I come unto speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you"
vs. 7 "and even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped"
vs. 9 "So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken?"
The KJV was the best for its day. This does not mean that it is inspired into the English language. The English of the KJV was not even the regular language of its day. It is a great representation of literary English for its precision in many ways.
There is significant value to keeping a copy handy. But to say that everyone must use it is a mere opinion with which many would disagree. Most English speaking Americans simply to not readily grasp the text. It is one step removed from being a full blown foreign language to them.
Some of the vocabulary is unfamiliar. Some of the syntax (word order, etc.) is foreign to them.
The struggle is very similar to what Paul said about speaking in tongues (1 Cor. 14).
vs. 2 "for no man understandeth him"
vs. 6 "if I come unto speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you"
vs. 7 "and even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped"
vs. 9 "So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken?"
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Thanks, I should of posted the link to that picture also.. It's
http://biblegateway.christianbook.c...&sp=104481&event=1003SB|58674|1003|58674|1003
So, yeah there it is!
http://biblegateway.christianbook.c...&sp=104481&event=1003SB|58674|1003|58674|1003
So, yeah there it is!
Ok....someone help me out...
I've noticed that KJVO folks tend to be conservative, sola scriptura believing, and distrustful of organized religion. I realize this is a generalization, but I think it is a pretty safe description.
So does anyone else see the irony? Here is a group of people who tend to distrust government placing huge amounts of faith in a translation commissioned by the King of England. It is almost as hard to imagine as Protestants making sola scripture a foundational part of their faith - faith in the Bible as their only sufficient authority, which was complied by the Council of Nicaea called by Constantine, ruler of the Roman Empire and attended by the leaders of the Roman Catholic Church, the official church of the Roman Empire.
That would be hard to swallow if I wasn't Catholic.
I've noticed that KJVO folks tend to be conservative, sola scriptura believing, and distrustful of organized religion. I realize this is a generalization, but I think it is a pretty safe description.
So does anyone else see the irony? Here is a group of people who tend to distrust government placing huge amounts of faith in a translation commissioned by the King of England. It is almost as hard to imagine as Protestants making sola scripture a foundational part of their faith - faith in the Bible as their only sufficient authority, which was complied by the Council of Nicaea called by Constantine, ruler of the Roman Empire and attended by the leaders of the Roman Catholic Church, the official church of the Roman Empire.
That would be hard to swallow if I wasn't Catholic.
i am not exactly sure what you said here and folks say they can't understand old english, but if you are inplying that the catholic church believes in sola scripture I thought the pope was the final authority, thus we have the individual intrepetation that the bible tells us not to have, and the roman catholic church was the ones that had people burnt at the stake trying to prevent the english translation from coming about, a religion that follows Christ, burn other people who are following Christ, so that they won't know what the Word of God said. that makes alot of Love thy neighbor, now don't it???
I agree aspen it's a blatant contradiction. The KJV was written by and for the Church of England but most people who are KJV-onlyists are a) non-Trinitarians and b) believe in once saved always saved, and c) believe in a pre-trib rapture, ...as some examples. All of which are contrary to the beliefs and practice of King James and those who created the KJV.
Then the NIV must be even more threatening, as it is the version that is mostly attacked for being a perversion and "satans bible".
thaddeus - it is very dangerous to call any bible a perversion, even if it contains only 20% of God's truth. Be warned.
And finally, you KJV-onlyists need to get off your high horse and back to reality. Millions of Christians in the world don't even have a bible let alone the privaledge to pick and choose which one they would prefer. You know that the KJV is only an English version, and only about 10% of the world speaks english.
Some versions such as the GNB were created purely because the KJV was too hard for non native english speakers to understand.
thaddeus - it is very dangerous to call any bible a perversion, even if it contains only 20% of God's truth. Be warned.
And finally, you KJV-onlyists need to get off your high horse and back to reality. Millions of Christians in the world don't even have a bible let alone the privaledge to pick and choose which one they would prefer. You know that the KJV is only an English version, and only about 10% of the world speaks english.
Some versions such as the GNB were created purely because the KJV was too hard for non native english speakers to understand.
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I have a question. Do any of you believe that a Christian is a child or a son of God. If you do then you don't believe the NIV is accurate. Let me explain.
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16 KJV
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him, shall not perish, but have eternal life John 3:16 NIV
If you believe that Jesus is God's one and only Son, then how could you be a child of God? Does the Bible say that a Christian is God's son?
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God....1 John 3:1
Beloved, now we the sons of God........1 John 3:2
That ye may be blameless and harmless the sons of God...........Philippians 2:15
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Romans 8:14
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair....Genesis 6:2
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD........Job 1:6
Jesus is the only begotten Son, meaning he was the only Son that always was. He was God's Son from the beginning.
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16 KJV
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him, shall not perish, but have eternal life John 3:16 NIV
If you believe that Jesus is God's one and only Son, then how could you be a child of God? Does the Bible say that a Christian is God's son?
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God....1 John 3:1
Beloved, now we the sons of God........1 John 3:2
That ye may be blameless and harmless the sons of God...........Philippians 2:15
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Romans 8:14
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair....Genesis 6:2
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD........Job 1:6
Jesus is the only begotten Son, meaning he was the only Son that always was. He was God's Son from the beginning.
ALL translations have inaccuracies, including the KJV. The only version of the scriptures you can find that is completely infallible with no errors are the originals in Hebrew/Aramaic and Greek. Any time you translate into another language, you're going to have errors. There's no such thing as a "perfect" translation.