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You know I could go on and on about how corrupt these modern versions are and bring up fact after fact of reasons not mess with them, but it would be of no use. I too like most of you thought that almost all of these modern versions were ok. In fact when I first became saved a read the NKJV, but through doing research I found out the truth.. The only thing I can realy do is let the Holy Spirit take over from here. I can't try to be the Holy Spirit and make you guys change your mind, my job is to tell you the truth that I believe the KJV is God's inspired Word and let the Holy Spirit do the rest.
C
I do not believe that the KJV is as accurate as it could be. There is only one verse in the entire KJV that I would not use, and I believe that verse is scripturally accurate. I do believe that neither you nor I are fluent in the archaic language of the KJV. If you would like I can show you a couple of hundred examples of how the change in our language will cause misunderstanding of the word of God. If I go to Spain, I do not speak to them in 400 year old Spanish and expect that they will either understand or appreciate what I am saying.
C
I figured you would find a way to try to explain it away.
H
Wow that would be a confusing way to look at it.. Paul said how he feared that our minds would be corrupted by the simplicity that is in Christ ( of course the NIV would say sincere and pure devotion, which is a completely different meaning) 2 Corinthians 11:3. So you see Salvation is simply through believieing on the Lord Jesus Christ. And One and Only means One and only it is as simple as that. If you had 5 sons and you thought that the one was more special would you call him your one and only son, no you would call him the best of your 5 sons.( I know your not supposed to have favories as far as your children are concerned, but I was just making a point).
M
Wow that would be a confusing way to look at it.. Paul said how he feared that our minds would be corrupted by the simplicity that is in Christ ( of course the NIV would say sincere and pure devotion, which is a completely different meaning) 2 Corinthians 11:3. So you see Salvation is simply through believieing on the Lord Jesus Christ. And One and Only means One and only it is as simple as that. If you had 5 sons and you thought that the one was more special would you call him your one and only son, no you would call him the best of your 5 sons.( I know your not supposed to have favories as far as your children are concerned, but I was just making a point).
C
Wow that would be a confusing way to look at it.. Paul said how he feared that our minds would be corrupted by the simplicity that is in Christ ( of course the NIV would say sincere and pure devotion, which is a completely different meaning) 2 Corinthians 11:3. So you see Salvation is simply through believieing on the Lord Jesus Christ. And One and Only means One and only it is as simple as that. If you had 5 sons and you thought that the one was more special would you call him your one and only son, no you would call him the best of your 5 sons.( I know your not supposed to have favories as far as your children are concerned, but I was just making a point).
It is hard for me to believe there are 9 pages of comments on this topic. It is superstitious to believe one translation in a second language is more accurate than the original - although we do not have any direct source material from the same century.
1. 17th century English is not sufficient to capture the full meaning of ancient Aramaic and 1st century greek - sorry.
2. Even the original languages are not sufficient to capture the full range of God and a detailed version of his plan for us. We have to do our best to receive a message that has been reduced to the bare bones simply by capturing it using language.
3. Modern translations are simply using updated language for modern ears. The word gay for example has a different meaning today than in the 16 hundreds.
4. The very fact that language is so reductionistic show how silly it is to proof text our faith - anyone really think that Paul selected the wording for his letters to individuals and churches with the precision in mind to support the many ideas of the 16th century Protestant Reformation? Frankly, all this need for precision is the requirement of the Enlightenment - which occurred about 16 hundred years later - Paul was just trying to deal with shaping a new church, using imperfect language and a lot of prayer - the fact that we may see small differences in translations and interpretations is nothing to run around killing our neighbors for.....we should be loving our way through the differences.
Finally - Jesus is God's only son - what is the problem with this translation? We are His adopted sons.
1. 17th century English is not sufficient to capture the full meaning of ancient Aramaic and 1st century greek - sorry.
2. Even the original languages are not sufficient to capture the full range of God and a detailed version of his plan for us. We have to do our best to receive a message that has been reduced to the bare bones simply by capturing it using language.
3. Modern translations are simply using updated language for modern ears. The word gay for example has a different meaning today than in the 16 hundreds.
4. The very fact that language is so reductionistic show how silly it is to proof text our faith - anyone really think that Paul selected the wording for his letters to individuals and churches with the precision in mind to support the many ideas of the 16th century Protestant Reformation? Frankly, all this need for precision is the requirement of the Enlightenment - which occurred about 16 hundred years later - Paul was just trying to deal with shaping a new church, using imperfect language and a lot of prayer - the fact that we may see small differences in translations and interpretations is nothing to run around killing our neighbors for.....we should be loving our way through the differences.
Finally - Jesus is God's only son - what is the problem with this translation? We are His adopted sons.
S
Hello all I am new here, and would just like to introduce myself. My name is Travis I am a born again believer I pastor which to God be the Glory for I know I am not worthy of such an exalted privilege.I love the King James version, I also Love the NLT what caught my heart when reading this post was this. Romans1:28-29 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate,deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Why do these small things even matter when the simple truths are so simple? I posted this with love and a heart for Christ. If we could all just realize were supposed to be one body and not separate from the vine I believe we will all be fine . In Christ, Brother Travis.
Philippians4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
Why do these small things even matter when the simple truths are so simple? I posted this with love and a heart for Christ. If we could all just realize were supposed to be one body and not separate from the vine I believe we will all be fine . In Christ, Brother Travis.
Philippians4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
M
Thanks for the introduction Travis nice to meet you. I think it's fair to say this is worthy of discussion, due to some people saying "King James is the only inspired word of God", could be a major stumbling block for a new believer or someone not educated in this area! The idea this is a simple truth, I'm in agreement, but there are 9 pages to this thread already (just started it last night). This is not just a "simple truth" to others, As this could edify the body, educate the body and possibly open new doors to people that were closed due to misleading information.
God bless you Travis, thanks again for the reply;
God bless you Travis, thanks again for the reply;