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Yes, spiritual rest NOW. When you have time, please study this chapter as well as 5 and 6 with this commentator as he goes verse by verse and see what you think about his understanding on this wonderful epistle.
The scripture in 1Peter about judgment in the house of God must come first is a beautiful promise of the sealing of God's people off before judgment comes.
1 Peter 4:17-18 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
[SUP]18 [/SUP] And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
Notice this is addressing about those that do not obey the gospel which is to believe in Christ.
Peter was the apostle to the Hebrews...It is a hebrewism from Eze 9 in which they had set aside the jewish elders and marked them before judgment came..these ones were saved from the judgment....all Jewish people would know of this truth.
In other words we get protected/marked by the Spirit of God before judgment comes to protect us..but ti starts at the house of God first..It's awesome!! it's a beautiful picture of us.. We have a good, good Father! and a mighty salvation in Jesus our Lord!
I think you should listen to McGee to see if you can gain some understanding on this. Unless you think your understanding is true. I think McGee easily shows the error of your thinking if you would just listen though.
Eph. 2:8 I have studied Greek and taught Greek for 20 years, and I have used Wuest's ideas on this verse many times: But I don't see the verse stating that "once a person is saved, it is impossible for them to lose their salvation"
Amen..He will never leave us nor forsake us. Falling from grace is trying to live from self-effort so I think you are right - we can walk away from grace for living in this earth - but our eternal salvation is safe.
We may walk away from organized church or be stuck in a deception of some sort but as you say Jesus will never leave us nor forsake us! We can get sick in our minds and cause confusion and live from our flesh - in some cases we can die early in life but sin does not touch the new man in Christ created in righteousness and holiness. We will not walk away from Jesus that is in our inner man that is joined with Him as one.
If we "walk by the Spirit" we will always "know" the price Christ paid. However, unless we are continuing in the knowledge of grace we can lose our sensitivity to the gospel. Yes it is possible to "walk away" and still be saved. That is why Hebrews was written. Hebrews 10:22-23
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised)
You would hope, but not every Christian is being discipled properly, not every Christian has a Bible, not every Christian can attend a church, not every Christian has good circumstances to grow in their faith. Some, if not many, get sucked right back into the ways of this world, carnal living.