Was Adam and Eve a newer creation than genesis 1?

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Dino246

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I don't understand this radio-dating thing but IMO it is nothing more than circular reasoning.

The Earth is the original clock from which we defined 'time'- meaning that a Year/ a day/ a second/ an hour/ a minute are time periods as measured/observed/experienced from earths movements. To be crude, a Year is a time period that the earth takes one revolution against the sun. So anything/ measurement given as time is somehow connected to the earth's movement.

For example; if a rock is dated 4 million years- means the earth has had 4 million revolutions against the sun since that rock formed. Using a rock (part of earth) to define how many revolutions the earth has made (using earth's defined time) since the arth was formed is circular reasoning.

It is like having a functioning clock and buying another clock. Using your first clock to calibrate the second clock and then using your second clock to determine how long you have been having the first clock. It doesn't work.

It all started with having the wrong definition of time. Time is an experience by a conscious mind and without the mind, time doesn't exist as an independent item.
I agree with you regarding the circular reasoning part. I'd challenge the 'time is an experience' part, because we aren't discussing the experience of time, but its passage. To illustrate, the formation of a stalactite takes time, but that time is not directly experienced by a conscious mind.
 
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I don't know if I got it right but if you are saying Christians today are getting their information about God in EVERY way except sitting down and reading and studying The written Word, so no longer able to find Gods Truth but mans traditions, I would have to agree. Even when straight out of the book you present the chapter and verse, it seems truth can no longer be seen through the confusion of their own thoughts. Speculation is rampant when the Word is explaining itself and therefore not needed and refuse Speculation when a tiny bit would render the natural truth to shine right on through, needing at that point written verse. If you are not saying this, I will be apologizing again.
I would not clump Christianity together in that way . But I think the new age old age rearing its ugly head as the gospel of experience. Or what I would call mysticism is on the rise .

Many denomination are given the approval of what they would call out of the body experiences, new death. dream , other falling backward experience or making noise without understanding as a source of faith .Which is not faith at all .But rather walking by sight after the temporal things seen .They that are trusting those experiences according to the bible have received their reward of self edification.

Makes me wonder according the question asked in Luke 18:18 . When Christ does come on the last day will he find a exclusive faith on earth that alone comes as it is written or like in the days of Noah every person walking after their own temporal experiences . A faith that comes after the imagination of their own evil unconverted hearts of things not seen, by their fleshly puffed up minds. Colosian2 :18.

And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. Genesis 6:5
 

DeighAnn

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I don't understand this radio-dating thing but IMO it is nothing more than circular reasoning.

The Earth is the original clock from which we defined 'time'- meaning that a Year/ a day/ a second/ an hour/ a minute are time periods as measured/observed/experienced from earths movements. To be crude, a Year is a time period that the earth takes one revolution against the sun. So anything/ measurement given as time is somehow connected to the earth's movement.

For example; if a rock is dated 4 million years- means the earth has had 4 million revolutions against the sun since that rock formed. Using a rock (part of earth) to define how many revolutions the earth has made (using earth's defined time) since the arth was formed is circular reasoning.

It is like having a functioning clock and buying another clock. Using your first clock to calibrate the second clock and then using your second clock to determine how long you have been having the first clock. It doesn't work.

It all started with having the wrong definition of time. Time is an experience by a conscious mind and without the mind, time doesn't exist as an independent item.
Yet Gods Word negates that as a "mandatory" or even dependable "clock" by pushing it back, by the day to 1000 year ratio, by the "no sun", by not mentioning it until the 4th? day of this age, etc.
 

DeighAnn

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I would not clump Christianity together in that way . But I think the new age old age rearing its ugly head as the gospel of experience. Or what I would call mysticism is on the rise .

Many denomination are given the approval of what they would call out of the body experiences, new death. dream , other falling backward experience or making noise without understanding as a source of faith .Which is not faith at all .But rather walking by sight after the temporal things seen .They that are trusting those experiences according to the bible have received their reward of self edification.

Makes me wonder according the question asked in Luke 18:18 . When Christ does come on the last day will he find a exclusive faith on earth that alone comes as it is written or like in the days of Noah every person walking after their own temporal experiences . A faith that comes after the imagination of their own evil unconverted hearts of things not seen, by their fleshly puffed up minds. Colosian2 :18.

And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. Genesis 6:5
He will find an entire world of one faith, through a complete deception, so easily done because there is almost No Truth of Gods Word left. The famine in the end times is for the Word of God. We are living it. There is such a falling away now, can you imagine when Satan arrives doing great wonders and signs and miracles, and all but those with the gospel armor on will worship after him as he is standing professing to be God. Just look at how "en mass" rock stars or athletes etc. are followed and they can't even perform a tiny wonder. I really believe all we can do now is put out the truth, no matter how unwelcome it seems to be in hopes that when the Holy Spirit speaks they will "see and hear" and be able to turn back to God before it is "one day to late".
 

DeighAnn

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Because, after all, Scripture is "amazingly accurate and can only be thanks to divine inspiration" but that same divine source failed to note in the "amazingly accurate" account that there was a gap of billions of years between the creation of humans and the events of Genesis 4 and later.

Good grief; you've been reading the Bible According to Richard Dawkins. Your concept of "amazingly accurate" needs work.

smh...
Buried treasures only for those who seek them out. The Bible is not written for everyone, if it was Jesus would not have spoke in parables. The Word of God is PERFECT, the only mistakes are the ones made by humans. You can bet your life on it.
 
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Yet Gods Word negates that as a "mandatory" or even dependable "clock" by pushing it back, by the day to 1000 year ratio, by the "no sun", by not mentioning it until the 4th? day of this age, etc.
Evening and morning were the first day
 

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Because, after all, Scripture is "amazingly accurate and can only be thanks to divine inspiration" but that same divine source failed to note in the "amazingly accurate" account that there was a gap of billions of years between the creation of humans and the events of Genesis 4 and later.

Good grief; you've been reading the Bible According to Richard Dawkins. Your concept of "amazingly accurate" needs work.

smh...
It is obvious there is a gap when you compare primitive man, with the Adam family who were farming the land and building a walled city.

I have put you on ignore.
 
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It is obvious there is a gap when you compare primitive man, with when the Adam family were farming the land and building a walled city
Its obvious the flood answers every question you may have, if you would just look at it.

Your view is based totally on assumptions.

God made the earth aged, If he made it for man, He had to make it livable. It did nto take billions of years to get where it needed to be BEFORE man came around, he created it that way, It is even in the passage if one would read the wording carefully
 

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Yet Gods Word negates that as a "mandatory" or even dependable "clock" by pushing it back, by the day to 1000 year ratio, by the "no sun", by not mentioning it until the 4th? day of this age, etc.
Creation is something else, i doubt you get it. God created the heavens and earth through the human mind- the reason the bible says that God established the heavens and earth on waters. Each single day of creation was with reference to what a human mind would perceive.
 

Noose

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I agree with you regarding the circular reasoning part. I'd challenge the 'time is an experience' part, because we aren't discussing the experience of time, but its passage. To illustrate, the formation of a stalactite takes time, but that time is not directly experienced by a conscious mind.
Passage of time is an experience, not an independent item. Two simple experiments you can do on your own:

1. An observer in a rotating room will not experience time will not experience passage of time if everything remained constant in the room until one item/object in the room becomes stationery, so that the observer (by observing the stationery object) can count how many times they come across the stationery object and create in their mind a rate. That rate created in the mind is what we call time.

In His wisdom, God created created a very visible and stationery sun, placed humans on a constantly moving Earth so that by observation of Earth's movement against the sun, man can experience passage of time. And He said, the sun and the stars are for signs, seasons (Time).

2. An observer in a very dark room will not experience passage of time because they can not observe. simple. If they can't observe, their mind is shut. Even though there will be succession of events like their heart beat, they won't experience passage of time.
 

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God created the heavens and earth through the human mind-
Another absurdity from Noose. How come you specialize in this branch of esoteric knowledge?
 

Noose

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Another absurdity from Noose. How come you specialize in this branch of esoteric knowledge?
Then what is this? who is speaking here?

Mal 3:1“Behold, I will send My messenger, who will prepare the way before Me. Then the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to His temple—the Messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight—see, He is coming,” says the LORD of Hosts.
 

Noose

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Then what is this? who is speaking here?

Mal 3:1“Behold, I will send My messenger, who will prepare the way before Me. Then the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to His temple—the Messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight—see, He is coming,” says the LORD of Hosts.
Sorry, meant for another post.
 
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He will find an entire world of one faith, through a complete deception, so easily done because there is almost No Truth of Gods Word left. The famine in the end times is for the Word of God. We are living it. There is such a falling away now, can you imagine when Satan arrives doing great wonders and signs and miracles, and all but those with the gospel armor on will worship after him as he is standing professing to be God. Just look at how "en mass" rock stars or athletes etc. are followed and they can't even perform a tiny wonder. I really believe all we can do now is put out the truth, no matter how unwelcome it seems to be in hopes that when the Holy Spirit speaks they will "see and hear" and be able to turn back to God before it is "one day to late".
I would agree .I think the spirit of error is performing his signs as lying wonderments gospel as a counterfeit Selling it as experience (not faith) Faith is our living hope not seen of a new incorruptible body. It keeps us moving towards its goal

Selling the gospel of experience and not gospel of faith as it is written. Perhaps the last called new creature as a Christian of the many the father gave to the son would been called . . . and its the end of time .He will come like a thief in the night then the Sun and the moon the corrupted time keepers will be under us rather than us under the Sun. The glory of God will be the light as it was the first 3 days no more night needed to represent evil the corruptible.
 

Noose

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Another absurdity from Noose. How come you specialize in this branch of esoteric knowledge?
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2Now the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.

Psalms 24:1A Psalm of David. The earth is the LORD’s, and the fullness thereof, the world and all who dwell therein. 2For He has founded it upon the seas and established it upon the waters.

2 Peter 3:5
But they deliberately overlook the fact that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water,...

Isa 51:
16I have put My words in your mouth,
and covered you in the shadow of My hand,
to establisha the heavens, to found the earth,
and to say to Zion, “You are My people.”

Pro 20:5The intentionsof a man’s heart are deep waters, but a man of understanding draws them out.

Proverbs 18:4
The words of a man's mouth are deep waters; the fountain of wisdom is a bubbling brook.

The universe is in the minds of men. It is virtual. Trust me.
But if you can explain how the universe was established upon the waters, then i may reconsider my position.
 

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All people need do, is Google the age of the earth and it becomes apparent there is a big time gap between creation and the events recorded in the Bible.
 
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All people need do, is Google the age of the earth and it becomes apparent there is a big time gap between creation and the events recorded in the Bible.
Lol

This is funny

All people need to do is study the flood. And creation And it is obvious there is no GAP. Gap is just a means to try to appease evolution believers (thats what conned me and Got me to believe in it)
 
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Buried treasures only for those who seek them out. The Bible is not written for everyone, if it was Jesus would not have spoke in parables. The Word of God is PERFECT, the only mistakes are the ones made by humans. You can bet your life on it.
Good point without him we can do nothing. . . . . understanding nothing other than what the eyes see .. With Emmanuel we can understand if we mix what we hear with faith, the unseen understanding. Mixing faith would seem to be the key by which we can rest from our own works as he works in us strengthening, the burden becomes lighter it would seem .

Those who do not would seem to be seeking another kind of gospel As we grow, if we grow more rest is given to strengthen us to finish the work as His Spirit does work in us to both will and do His good pleasure. Our imputed righteousness.

Hebrews 4:1-3 King James Version (KJV) Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

The mystery of faith. It as it is written, provides the peace of God (both the Father and the Son) that surpasses our human understanding
 

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All people need do, is Google the age of the earth and it becomes apparent there is a big time gap between creation and the events recorded in the Bible.
Because google has all the answers? You know conflicting information is presented. It boils down to whom you accept as an authority.
 
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All people need do, is Google the age of the earth and it becomes apparent there is a big time gap between creation and the events recorded in the Bible.
LOL What's the winning numbers of the Mega Lottery?