Was Adam and Eve a newer creation than genesis 1?

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Magenta

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PS said:
I wish it had been more pleasant.
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Take responsibility for claiming I said things I did not, and for your own lack of understanding, and your arguments against what I said, while you repeatedly refused to acknowledge what Scripture plainly states.
 
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Magenta said:
Data and conjecture are two different things. Scientific conjecture is not always correct. Theories are not iron-clad either.
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The Bible is correct and I am trying to explain it to you.
 
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The Bible is correct and I am trying to explain it to you.
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Trying to explain it to me while denying what Scripture says as you promote what it does not say? How peculiar.
 
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Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2Now the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.

Psalms 24:1A Psalm of David. The earth is the LORD’s, and the fullness thereof, the world and all who dwell therein. 2For He has founded it upon the seas and established it upon the waters.

2 Peter 3:5
But they deliberately overlook the fact that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water,...

Isa 51:
16I have put My words in your mouth,
and covered you in the shadow of My hand,
to establisha the heavens, to found the earth,
and to say to Zion, “You are My people.”

Pro 20:5The intentionsof a man’s heart are deep waters, but a man of understanding draws them out.

Proverbs 18:4
The words of a man's mouth are deep waters; the fountain of wisdom is a bubbling brook.

The universe is in the minds of men. It is virtual. Trust me.
But if you can explain how the universe was established upon the waters, then i may reconsider my position.
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You better check out what bible you are using because within the first 7 words there is a mistake. Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. It isn't until Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them that we find HEAVENS plural.
 
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If we read the last verse of chapter three

So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

and then read chapter 4, we see a family of farmers and their family tree. They argue, one kills the other, there is a legal system in place that requires the death penalty for murder and he runs away to another land where there are more people.

Obviously the Adam family are not the first family ever, they have laws, there are other people, and a lot of time has passed between this and the end of chapter 3.
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They are the first family that had a law governed by a unseen God not coming from their own fleshly minds , laws of faith that govern all of mankind. God's governing perfect law. Gods law of government governs those even outside of the law. They will perish without it. Some will perish with it.
 
Dino246

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It is obvious there is a gap when you compare primitive man, with the Adam family who were farming the land and building a walled city.

I have put you on ignore.
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Yay! Another win!

I love it when those who can't refute the truth with evidence or logic instead devolve to swabbing their bruised egos by placing me on Ignore.
 
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DeighAnn said:
You better check out what bible you are using because within the first 7 words there is a mistake. Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. It isn't until Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them that we find HEAVENS plural.
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This is a translation issue, not a creation issue. Many translations use the plural, and the text speaks of more than one 'heaven' so the plural is implied even though not stated in verse 1.
 
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Dino246 said:
This is a translation issue, not a creation issue. Many translations use the plural, and the text speaks of more than one 'heaven' so the plural is implied even though not stated in verse 1.
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When people want to follow their own false doctrines, they look for *mistakes* in the Bible. But you are are correct. At the same time shamayim is a plural Hebrew word and "heavens" would have been more accurate in Gen 1:1. But it is shown as "heavens" in Genesis 2:1 and that removes all doubt.
 
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Passage of time is an experience, not an independent item. Two simple experiments you can do on your own:

1. An observer in a rotating room will not experience time will not experience passage of time if everything remained constant in the room until one item/object in the room becomes stationery, so that the observer (by observing the stationery object) can count how many times they come across the stationery object and create in their mind a rate. That rate created in the mind is what we call time.

In His wisdom, God created created a very visible and stationery sun, placed humans on a constantly moving Earth so that by observation of Earth's movement against the sun, man can experience passage of time. And He said, the sun and the stars are for signs, seasons (Time).

2. An observer in a very dark room will not experience passage of time because they can not observe. simple. If they can't observe, their mind is shut. Even though there will be succession of events like their heart beat, they won't experience passage of time.
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Dino246 said:
This is a translation issue, not a creation issue. Many translations use the plural, and the text speaks of more than one 'heaven' so the plural is implied even though not stated in verse 1.
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Do you just make stuff up as you go knowing you can find anyone to back up anything? You still haven't answered any of my questions.
 
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Dino246 said:
Yay! Another win!

I love it when those who can't refute the truth with evidence or logic instead devolve to swabbing their bruised egos by placing me on Ignore.
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Lol. He put me on ignore ages ago.. He does not like being confronted with anythign that disagrees with him.. Welcome to the group!
 
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Dino246 said:
This is a translation issue, not a creation issue. Many translations use the plural, and the text speaks of more than one 'heaven' so the plural is implied even though not stated in verse 1.
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I had to look, never heard this before. So I had to test the spirit

Heaven in both gen 1: 1 and 2: 1 are both plural in the original text.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
When people want to follow their own false doctrines, they look for *mistakes* in the Bible. But you are are correct. At the same time shamayim is a plural Hebrew word and "heavens" would have been more accurate in Gen 1:1. But it is shown as "heavens" in Genesis 2:1 and that removes all doubt.
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If you are going to go into that type of detail then why are you stopping short and not following all the way through to continue on and explain about the Hebrew particle "eth before each to distinguish between Gen1:1 (The creation that then was from 2 Pet 3) and Gen 2:1?
 
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If you are going to go into that type of detail then why are you stopping short and not following all the way through to continue on and explain about the Hebrew particle "eth before each to distinguish between Gen1:1 (The creation that then was from 2 Pet 3) and Gen 2:1?
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As with MANY hebrew writtings, Gen 1 and 2 just follow normal patterns

A general statement, followed by a more detailed explanation of the general statement, followed by an even more detailed explanation of particulars of the statement.

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1. God created the heavens and the earth
2. This is how God created the heavens and the earth (the evening and the morning were the first day etc etc)
3. A more detailed of the creation of mankind within the original creation.
 
Dino246

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DeighAnn said:
Do you just make stuff up as you go knowing you can find anyone to back up anything? You still haven't answered any of my questions.
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Sorry, I don't recall you asking me questions specifically. If you point me to a post number, I'll take a look.

And no, I don't 'just make stuff up' as I go. Typically I have heard or read it somewhere but might not be able to cite the source off the top of my head.
 
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Dino246 said:
Yay! Another win!

I love it when those who can't refute the truth with evidence or logic instead devolve to swabbing their bruised egos by placing me on Ignore.
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The bible does not say anybody built a walled city there. But it doe say Cain built a city and named it Enoch. So Enoch the first born of Cain obviously came before the city since it was named after the firstborn of Cain. (BTW, there were 2 men named Enoch in Genesis)
 
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Sorry, I don't recall you asking me questions specifically. If you point me to a post number, I'll take a look.

And no, I don't 'just make stuff up' as I go. Typically I have heard or read it somewhere but might not be able to cite the source off the top of my head.
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That's what we thought. It didn't come from the bible.

I personally don't accept any authority about the bible besides the bible. The bible is the final authority regarding the bible. The rest including my own are just opinions, speculations and educated guesses. The Bible is the final word about the word.
 
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