Was The Book Of Revelation Written Pre-70AD As Many Claim?

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GraceAndTruth

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Did you notice that in Scripture the Lord wins and the beast is cast into the lake of fire (Rev.19:20-21) but Rome was who was victorious in the revolts and Rome was not destroyed?
What did you think God should do to punish Rome? Wasn't it bad enough he had Constantine conquored them and then gave them the RCC? And of course it will be destroyed utterly at the end.
 

Dino246

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Your claims are empty, the secular scientific community was high jacked long ago, and its lost, you name it, anything goes, global warming, gender correctness, on and on all in the name of Science.
Then you need to stop using a computer... as computer technology was created by scientists and is clearly therefore a tool of the devil.

smh...
 

Dino246

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Nero wasn't (The Beast) of Revelation, as 2 Thessalonians clearly explains that (The Beast) is destroyed by the Lord Jesus Christ and the brightness of his coming.

Nero committed suicide on June 9, AD68, he wasnt destroyed by the Lord as seen below, nor did Jesus Christ return in 68AD

Historicism's teachings are false

2 Thessalonians 2:5-10KJV
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
You're still confused, railing on about historicism while spouting anti-preterist "evidence".

Get your facts straight, man. Get your punctuation sorted too; it's pathetic that you want to argue theology and can't understand how to use brackets properly. That say a lot about your general intelligence... or lack thereof.
 

Truth7t7

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You're still confused, railing on about historicism while spouting anti-preterist "evidence".

Get your facts straight, man. Get your punctuation sorted too; it's pathetic that you want to argue theology and can't understand how to use brackets properly. That say a lot about your general intelligence... or lack thereof.
Nice to see you didnt challenge the fact that Nero committed suicide, and wasn't destroyed by the Lord, at the brightness of his coming, No Nero wasn't the Antichrist of Revelation 13

Historicism is Partial Preterist in their teachings, shows how much you know about Preterism.

Historicism believes and teaches Matthew 24:15 in Daniel's AOD is fulfilled, that alone puts it in the Partial Preterist camp

P.S. your personal insults are outstanding, keep it up the academy award is coming (y)
 

Dino246

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Nice to see you didnt challenge the fact that Nero committed suicide, and wasn't destroyed by the Lord, at the brightness of his coming, No Nero wasn't the Antichrist of Revelation 13
You really don't understand this "discussion" concept. I am under no obligation whatsoever to address the points you make... nor is anyone else.

Historicism is Partial Preterist in their teachings, shows how much you know about Preterism.
ALL interpretations are partially preterist. Your attitude is terrible.

P.S. your personal insults are outstanding, keep it up the academy award is coming (y)
Yawn. You repeatedly ignore correction on the most basic matters, so I see no point in trying to discuss important things with you.
 
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you're not talking about 'science' you're talking about interpretative bias. about conjecture. about unapologetic, pattern liars promoting 'alternative facts'
((i thought you admired & promoted those guys? lawl))


actual science is the rigorous processes of inquiry and the conclusions that can be drawn from the data that inquiry accumulates.

actual science is the rigorous processes of inquiry and the conclusions that can be drawn from the data that inquiry accumulates.
There are several threads in other forums I would like you to go post this PLEASE and THANK YOU!!
 
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lenna

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You can dance, sing, all ya want, secular modern Science denies a God creator, it will do everything possible to support life and creation outside of God.

ignorance is not helping you

and that is a very ignorant close minded statement coming from someone who boasts about how much he knows (I'm back )

List of Christians in science and technology

from 1098 on and always added to...ie current

A Brief History of Christians in Science

Believing Scientists Respond: Why Are You a Christian?

and many many more things to research and try to understand

otherwise you sound like a dumb hick who never got out of the basement, but of course I mean that in the nicest way and I am not actually calling you a dumb hick :giggle:
 
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lenna

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Your claims are empty, the secular scientific community was high jacked long ago, and its lost, you name it, anything goes, global warming, gender correctness, on and on all in the name of Science.
science exists outside of you and outside of your understanding apparently

I guess God through dice into the air to create with no knowledge of what He was actually up to

explains how bad off people are I guess :unsure:
 
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EleventhHour

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Your claims are empty, the secular scientific community was high jacked long ago, and its lost, you name it, anything goes, global warming, gender correctness, on and on all in the name of Science.
Absolutely not true.... I have several family members published in scientific journals ... real scientific inquiry continues.
 

Truth7t7

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ignorance is not helping you

and that is a very ignorant close minded statement coming from someone who boasts about how much he knows (I'm back )

List of Christians in science and technology

from 1098 on and always added to...ie current

A Brief History of Christians in Science

Believing Scientists Respond: Why Are You a Christian?

and many many more things to research and try to understand

otherwise you sound like a dumb hick who never got out of the basement, but of course I mean that in the nicest way and I am not actually calling you a dumb hick :giggle:
As the (Pew Research) shows below, (Belief In God) 83% General Public, 33% Scientist

When you look at the data closer, 41% of scientist dont Believe in either a universal spirit or higher power, as compared to 4% in the general public?

As stated, the scientific community is overwhelmingly secular, as the research shows, a Godless community in the vast majority.

Pew Research

Scientists and Belief

A survey of scientists who are members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, conducted by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press in May and June 2009, finds that members of this group are, on the whole, much less religious than the general public.1 Indeed, the survey shows that scientists are roughly half as likely as the general public to believe in God or a higher power. According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power. By contrast, 95% of Americans believe in some form of deity or higher power, according to a survey of the general public conducted by the Pew Research Center in July 2006. Specifically, more than eight-in-ten Americans (83%) say they believe in God and 12% believe in a universal spirit or higher power. Finally, the poll of scientists finds that four-in-ten scientists (41%) say they do not believe in God or a higher power, while the poll of the public finds that only 4% of Americans share this view.

Source: Scientists data from Pew Research
 

Truth7t7

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science exists outside of you and outside of your understanding apparently

I guess God through dice into the air to create with no knowledge of what He was actually up to

explains how bad off people are I guess :unsure:
Leena, is that you in the cowgirl pic, with the Australian?

If so, do you compete?
 
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lenna

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As the (Pew Research) shows below, (Belief In God) 83% General Public, 33% Scientist

When you look at the data closer, 41% of scientist dont Believe in either a universal spirit or higher power, as compared to 4% in the general public?

As stated, the scientific community is overwhelmingly secular, as the research shows, a Godless community in the vast majority.

Pew Research

Scientists and Belief

A survey of scientists who are members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, conducted by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press in May and June 2009, finds that members of this group are, on the whole, much less religious than the general public.1 Indeed, the survey shows that scientists are roughly half as likely as the general public to believe in God or a higher power. According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power. By contrast, 95% of Americans believe in some form of deity or higher power, according to a survey of the general public conducted by the Pew Research Center in July 2006. Specifically, more than eight-in-ten Americans (83%) say they believe in God and 12% believe in a universal spirit or higher power. Finally, the poll of scientists finds that four-in-ten scientists (41%) say they do not believe in God or a higher power, while the poll of the public finds that only 4% of Americans share this view.

Source: Scientists data from Pew Research
I'm not religious and no one polled me

are you kidding me with the polls?

2009...only 11 years ago

I provided you with current statistics

you know, they did not even ask the right questions

do you believe in God and do you believe Jesus rose from the dead and do you believe your sins are forgiven because you have faith that He is your Savior are worlds apart

Like Paul said, I am not ashamed of the gospel for it is the power of God to save.
 
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lenna

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Leena, is that you in the cowgirl pic, with the Australian?
no it isn't

but it could have been if you changed the color of the hair and I never wore a cowboy hat...riding helmet...but we do have a heeler just like in the picture ;)

I did not compete personally, but I did have a horse that did and bred some for competition. Dressage. she did very well. I bred her as well. love horses
 

Truth7t7

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I'm not religious and no one polled me

are you kidding me with the polls?

2009...only 11 years ago

I provided you with current statistics

you know, they did not even ask the right questions

do you believe in God and do you believe Jesus rose from the dead and do you believe your sins are forgiven because you have faith that He is your Savior are worlds apart

Like Paul said, I am not ashamed of the gospel for it is the power of God to save.
I agree, if they asked the salvation specific questions, 95% of Scientist wouldn't qualify in the (Christian Category) my opinion.
 
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lenna

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I agree, if they asked the salvation specific questions, 95% of Scientist wouldn't qualify in the (Christian Category) my opinion.
glad you used the word opinion

my middle name is skeptic these days when it comes to polls
 

Truth7t7

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glad you used the word opinion

my middle name is skeptic these days when it comes to polls
I fully agree polls are a sham for the most part, pew research is on the more respected side of the fence, if there is one?

Polls?

2016 with Hillary winning in a landslide, polls 1 week before the election showing Hillary favored 60-90% for the win?

Big Smiles!
 

Truth7t7

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Absolutely not true.... I have several family members published in scientific journals ... real scientific inquiry continues.
In the 6th grade classrooms perhaps?

The international scientific community is biased to the Leftist agenda and driven by fame and fortune, my opinion.

Global warming, sexuality at birth, to mention a few.
 
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lenna

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I fully agree polls are a sham for the most part, pew research is on the more respected side of the fence, if there is one?

Polls?

2016 with Hillary winning in a landslide, polls 1 week before the election showing Hillary favored 60-90% for the win?

Big Smiles!
mheh

if seeing is believing and a picture is worth 1000 words, then there is no way boo boo Biden is going to win...except for cheating like your presidency depends on it

we thank God Killary did not win. she took it badly though o_O
 

Kolistus

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mheh

if seeing is believing and a picture is worth 1000 words, then there is no way boo boo Biden is going to win...except for cheating like your presidency depends on it

we thank God Killary did not win. she took it badly though o_O
I heard they found some Trump votes in a river and stuff like that. Trump mentioned it in the first debate. This election is going to be the biggest scam in U.S. election history. The globalists want Biden in power no matter what. (Or anyone really, just as long as its not Trump)