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eternally-gratefull

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DBurrage said:
You're right, we are told to take note of the fruit people produce.

But no Church nor any Christian is perfect.
Belief in Jesus and repentance of sins doesn't make you perfect, it means that you will not be judged on your sins.

We can throw the mud at Westboro for being hyper-calvinist, or for protesting.
Similarly, they may throw the mud in the opposite direction because other Churches have become more accepting of behaviours that the Bible defines as sin.

I'm simply asking whether Westboro have a point...
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Who is accepting of sins?

And NO. they do not have a point

They Give God a bad name, They are modern day pharisees who pump their chest as holier than others..
 
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eternally-gratefull

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DBurrage said:
You're moving the goal posts.
We were not talking about whether faith is a virtue of the Holy Spirit, we were talking about repentance.

Biblically, people receive the Holy Spirit when they repent and follow Jesus.

But you've said that people repent AFTER they receive the Holy Spirit.
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He has it backwards. He has a person being made alive in christ BEFORE they repent and come to God in faith. ie, they are made alive in sin
 
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eternally-gratefull

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DBurrage said:
What you have said does not relate in any way to what I have actually said.

Can you please state very clearly, providing examples, where I have judged anyone, or where I have said that we should judge anyone?

Warning people of the consequences of their sins, which the Bible repeatedly asks us to do, is not the same as judging people on their sins.
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when you go to a person. and call out their sins

You are in fact JUDGING THEM
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
when you go to a person. and call out their sins

You are in fact JUDGING THEM
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If you go through Romans road With a person, the word will bring conviction and judgment. For the wages of sin is death...
 
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eternally-gratefull

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DBurrage said:
We have a responsibility to warn each other of our sins.

Are you suggesting otherwise?
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My responsibility is to give the good news. Romans 1 tells us that all people KNOW they are sinners. They hide this fact. The bible also says God draws them to himself by convicting them of sin righteousness and judgement.

I do not need to go to a person and judge them of a particular personal sin. That is not my responsibility. I do not need to know my one sin keeps me from God. I just need to know I have sinned and fall short of Gods glory

You judge a person of personal sin who is not saved, You will put a barrier between yourself and them. And they WILL NOT listen to you
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
My responsibility is to give the good news. Romans 1 tells us that all people KNOW they are sinners. They hide this fact. The bible also says God draws them to himself by convicting them of sin righteousness and judgement.

I do not need to go to a person and judge them of a particular personal sin. That is not my responsibility. I do not need to know my one sin keeps me from God. I just need to know I have sinned and fall short of Gods glory

You judge a person of personal sin who is not saved, You will put a barrier between yourself and them. And they WILL NOT listen to you
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Again, you're conflating telling people of their sins, and judging people on their sins.

I did not say that it is our place to judge, but it is our place to warn:
https://www.openbible.info/topics/confronting_sins
 
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John146 said:
If you go through Romans road With a person, the word will bring conviction and judgment. For the wages of sin is death...
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Yes

Because we are sinners. I do not have to name a personal sin to prove to them they are a sinner. When I do this, I judge them. That is where westboro is wrong
 
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eternally-gratefull

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DBurrage said:
Again, you're conflating telling people of their sins, and judging people on their sins.

I did not say that it is our place to judge, but it is our place to warn:
https://www.openbible.info/topics/confronting_sins
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1. Don't send me to no link, If you have anything to say say it, I am not going to go to a link.
2. I am conflating that when you go to a homosexual and judge them of that one sin, You are judging them

do you understand the difference between showing a person they are a sinner

and judging a person for a particular sin?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Yes

Because we are sinners. I do not have to name a personal sin to prove to them they are a sinner. When I do this, I judge them. That is where westboro is wrong
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Yes, I ask people I witness to if they are sinners. The answer is always yes. Most start describing their sins. Allow Scripture to judge.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
1. Don't send me to no link, If you have anything to say say it, I am not going to go to a link.
2. I am conflating that when you go to a homosexual and judge them of that one sin, You are judging them

do you understand the difference between showing a person they are a sinner

and judging a person for a particular sin?
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No, I am not typing out many paragraphs that are well captured by a text somebody else has already produced.
If you can't be bothered to read in order to increase your understanding of scripture, that's your problem.
You can lead a horse to water...

Well you're wrong to conflate telling people of their sin, and judging them on it.
Read your Bible.
 
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John146 said:
Yes, I ask people I witness to if they are sinners. The answer is always yes. Most start describing their sins. Allow Scripture to judge.
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yes

more importantly

Allow them to be healed THEN God will work on their personal sin issues
 
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eternally-gratefull

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DBurrage said:
No, I am not typing out many paragraphs that are well captured by a text somebody else has already produced.
If you can't be bothered to read in order to increase your understanding of scripture, that's your problem.
You can lead a horse to water...

Well you're wrong to conflate telling people of their sin, and judging them on it.
Read your Bible.
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Wow. You sure are judgmental even in here.

Who made you my judge?

You read your bible


1 cor 5:
9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to [f]keep company with sexually immoral people. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.

12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges.
 
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