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Dear Israel i can see where you coming from but its not biblical unfortunately.
The Lord gave all these things, lips to speak legs to walk on and free will and everything for that matter but you must also remember the scripture on predestination.
God has predestined some unto salvation through His Son and some unto damnation.
Romans 9:11-13 (KJV)
For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth, It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
God sent His son to manifest His divine love even though He knew from the beginning of creation not everyone will be saved through him.
Jude 4 (KJV)
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
And the elect,
1 Peter 1:20
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you.
Ephesians 1:5
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.
Romans 8:29-30
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called, and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Romans 11:5-7
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then is it no more of works, otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for.
Here in these scripture according to the elect it is Him (God) that calleth and not him (man) that willeth in the end of the day.
The Lord gave all these things, lips to speak legs to walk on and free will and everything for that matter but you must also remember the scripture on predestination.
God has predestined some unto salvation through His Son and some unto damnation.
Romans 9:11-13 (KJV)
For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth, It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
God sent His son to manifest His divine love even though He knew from the beginning of creation not everyone will be saved through him.
Jude 4 (KJV)
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
And the elect,
1 Peter 1:20
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you.
Ephesians 1:5
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.
Romans 8:29-30
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called, and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Romans 11:5-7
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then is it no more of works, otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for.
Here in these scripture according to the elect it is Him (God) that calleth and not him (man) that willeth in the end of the day.
Matthew 8:12 (KJV)
But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 23:33 (KJV)
Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Matthew 25:41 (KJV)
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.
Matthew 13:49-50 (KJV)
So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 23:33 (KJV)
Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Matthew 25:41 (KJV)
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.
Matthew 13:49-50 (KJV)
So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
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there is hope. Jesus is the light but men choice the darkness instead.
God just grants them their delusions.
what does the wide and narrow road scriptures refer too Israel?
both thieves were not saved. the Bible does not say that nor does any scripture.
what did Jesus mean by the goats and the sheep, the wheat and the tares?
God just grants them their delusions.
what does the wide and narrow road scriptures refer too Israel?
both thieves were not saved. the Bible does not say that nor does any scripture.
what did Jesus mean by the goats and the sheep, the wheat and the tares?
1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
Don't you understand that the Lake of Fire is a purifying fire?
That burns everything up that is not of God and His Righteousness.
But when it is burned up He promises to give us Beauty for Ashes.
sa 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.
The two on the Cross next to Him depicts the two natures the one dies or is burned up and the other
made anew. Can't ya'll see this? It's a picture, of a Spiritual Reality. The Two are saved when were talking
about the two men. But the nature was crucified with Christ, It's so simple.
If it were given for the one to recieve he would have, but it was not given to him, at that point.
The other one it was given to him. These things are given by God, it's not a choice on mans part.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
Don't you understand that the Lake of Fire is a purifying fire?
That burns everything up that is not of God and His Righteousness.
But when it is burned up He promises to give us Beauty for Ashes.
sa 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.
The two on the Cross next to Him depicts the two natures the one dies or is burned up and the other
made anew. Can't ya'll see this? It's a picture, of a Spiritual Reality. The Two are saved when were talking
about the two men. But the nature was crucified with Christ, It's so simple.
If it were given for the one to recieve he would have, but it was not given to him, at that point.
The other one it was given to him. These things are given by God, it's not a choice on mans part.
The thief on the cross was not baptized to be saved New Testament style,and doubtful he was even baptized with John's baptism unto repentance,seeing he was on the cross for a sin being a thief.
But what could the thief do,get off the cross and go get baptized,and God will have mercy.
The thief acknowledged Jesus as the Savior when he said remember me Lord when you come in to your kingdom,and repented of his sins when he said this man did nothing amiss but we deserve our punishment for we did wrong.
The thief did what he could do seeing he was on the cross,and God will have mercy,and also the baptism unto spiritual salvation could not be applied until Jesus shed His blood.
If someone believes in Jesus and repents of their sins,and then goes to walk across the street to be baptized and gets hit by a car and dies,they are saved,for God is not going to hold it against them if they wanted to get baptized but could not,and God will have mercy.
But what could the thief do,get off the cross and go get baptized,and God will have mercy.
The thief acknowledged Jesus as the Savior when he said remember me Lord when you come in to your kingdom,and repented of his sins when he said this man did nothing amiss but we deserve our punishment for we did wrong.
The thief did what he could do seeing he was on the cross,and God will have mercy,and also the baptism unto spiritual salvation could not be applied until Jesus shed His blood.
If someone believes in Jesus and repents of their sins,and then goes to walk across the street to be baptized and gets hit by a car and dies,they are saved,for God is not going to hold it against them if they wanted to get baptized but could not,and God will have mercy.
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Actually I understand the verses just fine.
They are very easy to understand, unless you have twist the meaning in order to hold a man-made doctrine.
What did I expose, that believe God's warnings? Ok.
1Co_6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
If all will be saved, then this is not a very scary "vengeance."
The fact is there is just way too many passages that disagree with you.
Will you say all of them to not mean what they say?
It seems you have a problem with the Bible teaches, I am fine with what it says.
They are very easy to understand, unless you have twist the meaning in order to hold a man-made doctrine.
What did I expose, that believe God's warnings? Ok.
1Co_6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
If all will be saved, then this is not a very scary "vengeance."
The fact is there is just way too many passages that disagree with you.
Will you say all of them to not mean what they say?
It seems you have a problem with the Bible teaches, I am fine with what it says.
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I agree with you there.
But that physical death we all will someday face does not take away the punishment that awaits those who are outside of Christ.
Second the physical death is not adequate to explain the vengeance In II Thess 1:8,9.
Nor any of the many passages that others have showed you.
you cannot "sugar coat" God's word no matter how much you may want that to be the case.
This is what you call a false teacher:
Jer 23:16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.
Jer 23:17 They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.
This is exactly what you are tellling people who live a life of sin, "no evil shall come upon you"
you need to be very careful in the words you choose to represent what God has said.
But that physical death we all will someday face does not take away the punishment that awaits those who are outside of Christ.
Second the physical death is not adequate to explain the vengeance In II Thess 1:8,9.
Nor any of the many passages that others have showed you.
you cannot "sugar coat" God's word no matter how much you may want that to be the case.
This is what you call a false teacher:
Jer 23:16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.
Jer 23:17 They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.
This is exactly what you are tellling people who live a life of sin, "no evil shall come upon you"
you need to be very careful in the words you choose to represent what God has said.
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you have such a twisted understanding of the gospel.
peace peace, that is what all the false prophets proclaim but God says there will be NO peace for the wicked.
"don't worry if you sin, God's going to save you anyways" that is what you are basically saying.
what a lie, why do you keep repeating it?
It is not love to lie to others.
peace peace, that is what all the false prophets proclaim but God says there will be NO peace for the wicked.
"don't worry if you sin, God's going to save you anyways" that is what you are basically saying.
what a lie, why do you keep repeating it?
It is not love to lie to others.
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Again, no understanding beloved. But if sin dies with the flesh, how then can its nature pass over to then be judge? To see God, one must be HOLY. To confess Jesus is Lord is done ONLY by revelation of the Holy Spirit. Now if every man will see God, then EVERY MAN WILL BE HOLY! Will a holy man be tossed in flames?
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Who said sin dies with the flesh?
Sin is what kills the flesh.
Now your are saying we will not be judged for sin?
2Co 5:11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
What terror?
Why persuade men?
2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
Are you saying Paul is lying here?
The Bad carried right over into Judgment, sure a man can see Christ and still not be Holy, because when we “appear” in judgment to receive the good OR THE BAD.
Sin is what kills the flesh.
Now your are saying we will not be judged for sin?
2Co 5:11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
What terror?
Why persuade men?
2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
Are you saying Paul is lying here?
The Bad carried right over into Judgment, sure a man can see Christ and still not be Holy, because when we “appear” in judgment to receive the good OR THE BAD.