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This Is the problem, everything to yall is future, Christ's coming, Judgment, The book of Revelation, the Rapture,
lets see is there anything else........
I have a question..What could Christ possibly accomplish by returning in the way that most on here perceive Him
to come. I don't understand, don't you realize that He did it all, for all? He said if I be lifted up I will draw ALL men
unto me. (now because you don't see it, it's not done?)
The Nature of the old man was Crucified with Christ, many just do not know this because of mainstream christianity
teachings. You either believe what He did or you don't. And it's obvious that many don't.
Christ Became Judgment, The Wrath of God was poured out upon Him, For the sin of the whole world.
Now according to God All men have been Redeemed, But Man still judges after the flesh, that which can be seen.
But God see's all things through the sacrfice of His Son.
Things are not always as they appear, and Christ's Coming is not at all what you have been taught.
When He Unveils Himself to someone, by the brightness of His Coming, and The Sword of His mouth,
Then the man of Sin is revealed, and destroyed by it.
Didn't it happen that way with all of us who has been born again?
How much more do you expect from your Savior to do, He laid down His life for every man, He tasted Death
for every man , He poured His Soul out unto death, and you still want more, I dont' understand this kind of
thinking.
Where there is a firstfruits, there must also come a Harvest of the rest of the Crop.
just because you don't see all things in the natural fullfilled, They ARE IN HIM.
People claim that the mercy seat is Christ, and He is, that same mercy seat (or Lid) covered the Law
on the Ark of the Covenant did it not?
In order for God to Judge Mankind He would have to remove the Lid (mercy seat) to judge it
according to His own law. He would have to Remove The Sacrifice of His Son. Can you see how rediculous
that would be?
Enough said.
lets see is there anything else........
I have a question..What could Christ possibly accomplish by returning in the way that most on here perceive Him
to come. I don't understand, don't you realize that He did it all, for all? He said if I be lifted up I will draw ALL men
unto me. (now because you don't see it, it's not done?)
The Nature of the old man was Crucified with Christ, many just do not know this because of mainstream christianity
teachings. You either believe what He did or you don't. And it's obvious that many don't.
Christ Became Judgment, The Wrath of God was poured out upon Him, For the sin of the whole world.
Now according to God All men have been Redeemed, But Man still judges after the flesh, that which can be seen.
But God see's all things through the sacrfice of His Son.
Things are not always as they appear, and Christ's Coming is not at all what you have been taught.
When He Unveils Himself to someone, by the brightness of His Coming, and The Sword of His mouth,
Then the man of Sin is revealed, and destroyed by it.
Didn't it happen that way with all of us who has been born again?
How much more do you expect from your Savior to do, He laid down His life for every man, He tasted Death
for every man , He poured His Soul out unto death, and you still want more, I dont' understand this kind of
thinking.
Where there is a firstfruits, there must also come a Harvest of the rest of the Crop.
just because you don't see all things in the natural fullfilled, They ARE IN HIM.
People claim that the mercy seat is Christ, and He is, that same mercy seat (or Lid) covered the Law
on the Ark of the Covenant did it not?
In order for God to Judge Mankind He would have to remove the Lid (mercy seat) to judge it
according to His own law. He would have to Remove The Sacrifice of His Son. Can you see how rediculous
that would be?
Enough said.
It is true all sin resides in the flesh,and God said there is no good thing that dwells in the flesh.
But it is the soul that will live forever,and if a person lives in sin then their soul is tainted with sin,and if they die in their sins,then their soul is tainted with sin forever and they cannot be with God.
Man is soul,flesh,spirit.The flesh is our choice but always in opposition to God's ways.The spirit is our connection to God.The soul makes a decision between the two.
If a person dies with sin in their life their soul is tainted with sin forever and cannot be with God.
All sin resides in the flesh,but if a person is living in sin then their soul is corrupt,the part that will live forever,whether with God or not with God.
But it is the soul that will live forever,and if a person lives in sin then their soul is tainted with sin,and if they die in their sins,then their soul is tainted with sin forever and they cannot be with God.
Man is soul,flesh,spirit.The flesh is our choice but always in opposition to God's ways.The spirit is our connection to God.The soul makes a decision between the two.
If a person dies with sin in their life their soul is tainted with sin forever and cannot be with God.
All sin resides in the flesh,but if a person is living in sin then their soul is corrupt,the part that will live forever,whether with God or not with God.
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No I do not believe that everything you stated there is future, like the book of Reveltion and Christ coming.
I do believe that Christ’s 2nd coming is still future.
He will accomplish exactly what the Bible say He will at His 2nd coming.
He will destroy Satan.
He will conquer death for all who are saved.
He will deliver the Kingdom to the Father – I Cor 15:24.
He will Judge the world.
Yea it is oblivious that you don’t.
Everyone's old man was NOT crucified with Christ, this only applies TO CHRISTIANS.
THOSE WORDS WERE SPOKEN TO CHRISTIANS – ROM 6:3-F.
MANY STILL LIVE IN THEIR SINS, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN RENEWED, THEIR OLD MAN IS STILL ACTIVE, NOT CRUCIFIED.
That’s right God does “see all things through the sacrifice of His Son”
That is why those who will not obey the gospel have made His sacrifice of “No Effect”
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Get that? The sacrifice is of no effect to the willful sinner.
No it’s not what you are trying to teach.
This is what His word does, it reveals sin to us.
Yet if we do not care and choose not to believe or obey, nothing is destroyed at this point and time, but awaits the FINAL judgment.
No it happened through believing and obeying the word of God.
How much more does God expect you to obey the truth seeing He gave His son for your sins.
How much more will God be displeased with one who counted the blood shed as nothing and chose to continue in Sin?
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Now we agree.
I do believe that Christ’s 2nd coming is still future.
He will accomplish exactly what the Bible say He will at His 2nd coming.
He will destroy Satan.
He will conquer death for all who are saved.
He will deliver the Kingdom to the Father – I Cor 15:24.
He will Judge the world.
Yea it is oblivious that you don’t.
Everyone's old man was NOT crucified with Christ, this only applies TO CHRISTIANS.
THOSE WORDS WERE SPOKEN TO CHRISTIANS – ROM 6:3-F.
MANY STILL LIVE IN THEIR SINS, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN RENEWED, THEIR OLD MAN IS STILL ACTIVE, NOT CRUCIFIED.
That’s right God does “see all things through the sacrifice of His Son”
That is why those who will not obey the gospel have made His sacrifice of “No Effect”
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Get that? The sacrifice is of no effect to the willful sinner.
No it’s not what you are trying to teach.
This is what His word does, it reveals sin to us.
Yet if we do not care and choose not to believe or obey, nothing is destroyed at this point and time, but awaits the FINAL judgment.
No it happened through believing and obeying the word of God.
How much more does God expect you to obey the truth seeing He gave His son for your sins.
How much more will God be displeased with one who counted the blood shed as nothing and chose to continue in Sin?
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Now we agree.
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Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Yes, After they have recieved the Knowledge of the Truth But this is not the case with most people
this is exactly what I am talking about, you think that just because you tell someone that Christ died for them,
and they need to repent,
that this means they have recieved the Truth and now their responsible, and if they don't recieve it their damned
to be tormented for ever.
God is the one who reveals Himself to the individual, He is the Truth.
You did not choose to recieve Him, it is the gift of God.
Yet you just said that your sin was removed when you became a christian and not
before you were born.
If anyone has come to the Knowledge of Salvation , it was given to them, it was not
something they did, The Knowledge of the Truth was revealed to them.
Or else you could not believe.
We can do nothing without Him.
It is the Goodness of God that leads to Repentance, Not Turn or Burn, Which most preach
today.
It is Love that overcomes All things, for God is Love.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Yes, After they have recieved the Knowledge of the Truth But this is not the case with most people
this is exactly what I am talking about, you think that just because you tell someone that Christ died for them,
and they need to repent,
that this means they have recieved the Truth and now their responsible, and if they don't recieve it their damned
to be tormented for ever.
God is the one who reveals Himself to the individual, He is the Truth.
You did not choose to recieve Him, it is the gift of God.
Yet you just said that your sin was removed when you became a christian and not
before you were born.
If anyone has come to the Knowledge of Salvation , it was given to them, it was not
something they did, The Knowledge of the Truth was revealed to them.
Or else you could not believe.
We can do nothing without Him.
It is the Goodness of God that leads to Repentance, Not Turn or Burn, Which most preach
today.
It is Love that overcomes All things, for God is Love.
Water baptism, who do you know that was changed by that baptism? I do not discredit the baptism of water, the people that do it and undergo it do a good enough job on discrediting it themselves. I just ask, who of the people that baptize the others are remotely qualified to do so? At least John the Baptist was a blessed man to do so! Even Paul said he was not send to baptize, now who was send to do so today?
I have yet to meet one that is! I suppose they have to be at least a holy man! And not hypocrate holy, holy declared by God! Let His Spirit declare the man holy! So i would not run with the crocadile men to the water for a dumping! Nope I will wait on the Lord's guidence to the right baptism! If it comes I am blessed, if it does not I am not worse off!
Few people will pass as BAPTIST by the standards set in the Bible, and unfortumately I read it! Hey, healer, heal yourself! I seek not this people pleasers, I seek God pleasers. People like John and Paul and Simon Peter, etc. I will seek and find! Thank God for that truth!
I have yet to meet one that is! I suppose they have to be at least a holy man! And not hypocrate holy, holy declared by God! Let His Spirit declare the man holy! So i would not run with the crocadile men to the water for a dumping! Nope I will wait on the Lord's guidence to the right baptism! If it comes I am blessed, if it does not I am not worse off!
Few people will pass as BAPTIST by the standards set in the Bible, and unfortumately I read it! Hey, healer, heal yourself! I seek not this people pleasers, I seek God pleasers. People like John and Paul and Simon Peter, etc. I will seek and find! Thank God for that truth!
Was the justified thief at the cross baptized? A great number of people in the region were. Chances are not low that he may indeed have been baptized. That is, with John's baptism.
However, this happening was still under the old covenant and while circumcision still served as the sign and seal of the covenant. May we assume that the justified thief was jewish? And if so thereby circumcised. As a jew he might have gone through several mikvahs.
If baptism, to Christ, now in the new covenant serves as a sign and seal of the covenant, replacing circumcision, then what does this give?
Baptism is as commanded and necessary today as was circumcision under the old covenant?
But for the justified thief, circumcision would still be enough?
However, this happening was still under the old covenant and while circumcision still served as the sign and seal of the covenant. May we assume that the justified thief was jewish? And if so thereby circumcised. As a jew he might have gone through several mikvahs.
If baptism, to Christ, now in the new covenant serves as a sign and seal of the covenant, replacing circumcision, then what does this give?
Baptism is as commanded and necessary today as was circumcision under the old covenant?
But for the justified thief, circumcision would still be enough?
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[FONT="][FONT="]If a dying Saviour saved the thief, my argument is, that he can do even more now that he liveth and reigneth. All power is given unto him in heaven and in earth; can anything at this present time surpass the power of his grace?[/FONT][/FONT]
The dying thief was justified because he admitted he was bad before Christ...thus he believed unto Christ.
Luke 18:10-13 (KJV)
Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican..............................And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
The publican was justified in the same manner....................
The dying thief was justified because he admitted he was bad before Christ...thus he believed unto Christ.
Luke 18:10-13 (KJV)
Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican..............................And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
The publican was justified in the same manner....................
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1 Thessalonians 5:1-21
1But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
10Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
11Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.
12And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;
13And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves.
14Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.
15See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.
16Rejoice evermore.
17Pray without ceasing.
18In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
19Quench not the Spirit.
20Despise not prophesyings.
21Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
1But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
10Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
11Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.
12And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;
13And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves.
14Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.
15See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.
16Rejoice evermore.
17Pray without ceasing.
18In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
19Quench not the Spirit.
20Despise not prophesyings.
21Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
What happens to a man that feels pleasure in raping woman, murdering babies and does not give a dam about the word?
Will he be your friend in heaven?
Will a Holy God allow a unbelieving wicked murderer to enter His kingdom without repentance?
What about the justice of Him that sitteth on His great white throne of judgment......?
Will he be your friend in heaven?
Will a Holy God allow a unbelieving wicked murderer to enter His kingdom without repentance?
What about the justice of Him that sitteth on His great white throne of judgment......?