What are the Consequences of Falling from Grace?

[Goodnewsman]

I'm guessing from most of the post's that many believe in "eternal justification" on here. believing that at the moment you trust the Lord as your savior, your responsibility as a sinner having to do with the God of judgment is ended for eternity. but at the same moment you responsibility as a child having to do with a father begins and if you sin God will deal with you as a Father and not a judge. (basic definition of eternal justification)

if that's what you believe, I have a few questions:

1.) does God have a split personality? condoning sin as a judge and punishing sin as a Father.

2.) how could God "as a Father" punish what God "as a Judge" has already forgiven

3.) why do you confess your sins in prayer then? to restore fellowship with the Father? but how can the Christian confess what in point of fact is already forgiven, from which he has been justified, as though it never happened

4.) if they have already been forgiven, there can be no punishment of a believer's sins, even by his Father.

if God as a Father must deal with the sins of his "children" how can He justly deal with them in any sense differently from that in which he deals with the sins of other men as the judge of all the earth?

Genesis 18:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

 

[Goodnewsman]

God does deal with our future at conversion. but he does not deal with it by a blanket forgiveness of all future sins before they are committed, but by regenerating and sanctifying grace to enable us to live above sin.

if you carefully study the Word you will note that God always conjoins justification and righteousness, never justification and future sinning..............such as suicide etc....

 

[pwrnJC]

Goodnewsman...
I have only one question about your above post: "What do you mean by "your responsibility as a sinner having to do with the God of judgment is ended for eternity." ? Since when does a 'sinner" have responsibility to anyone at any time? A sinner shows LACK of responsibility...that is why they are a sinner to begin with. We are not automatically born responsible, spiritually speaking. We are born sinners and later, by our own choice, become sinners saved by grace. I like how GOD is my Father, although chastising me is not always enjoyed, but it shows HE cares, loves and nurtures me as His child. YEs, GOD is love, but the BIBLE also tells me that HE is a GOD of Wrath...He has to, in all fairness....there is perfect balance in His nature.

 

[Goodnewsman]

I have been asked a lot of questions on this post's and I've been out of town. so now im trying to answer them (probably not doing the best)

I am addressing the question of "eternal justification" or does God forgive all our past, present and future sins at the cross? (some suggesting even suicide was forgiven, if saved of course) I don't believe in eternal justification. i'm trying to write several post's (so not to have one real long one) on the subject

Goodnewsman...
I have only one question about your above post: "What do you mean by "your responsibility as a sinner having to do with the God of judgment is ended for eternity." ? Since when does a 'sinner" have responsibility to anyone at any time? A sinner shows LACK of responsibility...that is why they are a sinner to begin with. We are not automatically born responsible, spiritually speaking. We are born sinners and later, by our own choice, become sinners saved by grace. I like how GOD is my Father, although chastising me is not always enjoyed, but it shows HE cares, loves and nurtures me as His child. YEs, GOD is love, but the BIBLE also tells me that HE is a GOD of Wrath...He has to, in all fairness....there is perfect balance in His nature.

 

[Goodnewsman]

if you carefully study the Word you will note that God always conjoins justification and righteousness, never justification and future sinning..............such as suicide etc....

Romans 5:18-19 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Ezekiel 33:12-13 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.

Ezekiel 33:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby.

do you remember the parable of the two debtors in matthew 18? one man forgiven and yet refusing to forgive a fellow servant?
Matthew 18:34-35 (KJV)
[SUP]34 [/SUP] And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
[SUP]35 [/SUP] So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

how do you explain this if you believe your "future sins" are already took care of at calvary?????

also please explain Roman 2:13 if you believe all your Future sins was dealt with at calvary
Romans 2:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

 

[VCO]

the fact that all our sins were in the future at the time of Christ's atonement is totally immaterial. our sins were not forgiven at the time of Christ's death. we were not justified when he said "it is finished"

what was finished was the supreme and eternal and perfect work of Christ in providing the basis of our justification
Romans 3:26 (KJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Christ on the cross offered to God a perfect substitute for the penalty which should have been inflicted upon us. we became partakers of His sufficient Grace WHEN AND ONLY WHEN we savingly believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

justification takes place the moment we accept God's gracious gift, not at the time Christ died on the cross.

our sins were not remitted at CALVARY, they were remitted at CONVERSION

The idea of justification in respect to sins which have not yet been committed is directly contrary to the teachings of God's word

paul is writing about justification in Romans 3 look what he says:

Romans 3:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;


he distinctly states that justification is "for the remission of sins that are past"

LOL, you did not research that comment, nor conform your THEORY to what the Scriptures actually do say, DID YOU?

Romans 5:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

JESUS DID IT ALL.

Titus 3:5-7 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, [SUP][/SUP]
whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Revelation 13:7-8 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And he was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them. He was also given authority over every tribe, people, language, and nation.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] All those who live on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name was not written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slaughtered.

Why do you continually continue to try steal some of the glory for the FINISHED, PERFECT WORK OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST. DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT WAS SYMBOLIZED WHEN OUR HIGH PRIEST, JESUS CHRIST SAT DOWN IN HEAVEN?

 

[Goodnewsman]

why do you continually "wrest the scriptures"? none of your scriptures quoted proved justification for future sins.

I also noticed you didn't even comment on Romans 3:25
Romans 3:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

God always conjoins righteousness and justification never justification and future sin

please read my last few post's.

LOL, you did not research that comment, nor conform your THEORY to what the Scriptures actually do say, DID YOU?

Romans 5:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

JESUS DID IT ALL.

Titus 3:5-7 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Revelation 13:7-8 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And he was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them. He was also given authority over every tribe, people, language, and nation.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] All those who live on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name was not written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slaughtered.

Why do you continually continue to try steal some of the glory for the FINISHED, PERFECT WORK OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST. DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT WAS SYMBOLIZED WHEN OUR HIGH PRIEST, JESUS CHRIST SAT DOWN IN HEAVEN?

 

[VCO]

why do you continually "wrest the scriptures"? none of your scriptures quoted proved justification for future sins.

I also noticed you didn't even comment on Romans 3:25
Romans 3:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

God always conjoins righteousness and justification never justification and future sin

please read my last few post's.

Philippians 1:6 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]I am sure of this, that He who started a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

NO, you do not even get to claim any of the credit for your righteousness, JESUS CHRIST DID IT ALL. So what kind of Church or Churches do you go to?

I am a Conservative Non-Denominational Evangelical.

Here is a link to the Doctrinal Statement of Faith for such a Church. PLEASE provide me with your Doctrinal Statement.

Grace to You

 

[Goodnewsman]

I've read what MacArthur says about justification, but, I've never read were he preached "eternal justification" for sins not yet committed, (not even in your own doctrinal statement) which is what you said in earlier posts.

again, please respond to the scripture (this makes my 3rd time now)
Romans 3:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;


I am not trying to claim credit for my righteousness, I understand that Jesus did it all.

Philippians 1:6 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]I am sure of this, that He who started a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

NO, you do not even get to claim any of the credit for your righteousness, JESUS CHRIST DID IT ALL. So what kind of Church or Churches do you go to?

I am a Conservative Non-Denominational Evangelical.

Here is a link to the Doctrinal Statement of Faith for such a Church. PLEASE provide me with your Doctrinal Statement.

Grace to You

 

[Grace777x70]

Forgiveness is a done deal bought for by the blood of our Lord. Despite what our religious upbringing has taught us. This is what scripture has to say about forgiveness but men's made up terms to support their religious views.

1 John 2:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] I am writing to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven you for His name's sake.

have been forgiven = perfect passive

Perfect Tense

The basic thought of the perfect tense is that the progress of an action has been completed and the results of the action are continuing on, in full effect.

In other words, the progress of the action has reached its culmination and the finished results are now in existence. Unlike the English perfect, which indicates a completed past action, the Greek perfect tense indicates the continuation and present state of a completed past action.

passive = voice = action is happening to you....you are not doing it

Without a doubt this verse says that the sins are forgiven from a past action that remains in a continuous state and that was put on them....not something they did


Brethren ...we have a great salvation in our Lord!

Here are some more scriptures on the forgiveness of God thru the precious blood of our Lord!....


Ephesians 1:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

We have redemption = present continuous action...so this means we have present continuous forgiveness of our sins...and look...that hyper-grace stuff shows up again!...it's all according to our loving Father's grace that He has given to us in Christ our Lord.

Colossians 1:13-14 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Same thing here too...present continuous action = forgiveness of sins


Redemption!..we have been bought with the precious Blood of Jesus... Let's honor His work

 

[VCO]

I've read what MacArthur says about justification, but, I've never read were he preached "eternal justification" for sins not yet committed, (not even in your own doctrinal statement) which is what you said in earlier posts.

again, please respond to the scripture (this makes my 3rd time now)
Romans 3:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;


I am not trying to claim credit for my righteousness, I understand that Jesus did it all.

HIS GRACE IS ETERNAL, and we are justified by HIS GRACE. That word grace, means something that we cannot earn, nor add our works to or it CEASES TO BE GRACE, and sinks below HIS STANDARDS, all the way down to only WAGES.

Romans 4:3-9 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
[SUP]7 [/SUP] "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered;
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Blessed is the man to whom the LORD shall not impute sin."
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Does this blessedness then come upon the circumcised only, or upon the uncircumcised also? For we say that faith was accounted to Abraham for righteousness.

Now either we are opposite ends of this debate, or we have MAJOR differences when it comes to Terminology Definitions;
which is it?

Romans 5:21 (ASV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] that, as sin reigned in death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

2 Thessalonians 2:16 (NRSV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Now may our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father, who loved us and through grace gave us eternal comfort and good hope,

1 Peter 5:10 (ASV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And the God of all grace, who called you unto his eternal glory in Christ, after that ye have suffered a little while, shall himself perfect, establish, strengthen you.


2 Thessalonians 2:16 (BBE)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father who had love for us and has given us eternal comfort and good hope through grace,

HOW DO YOU MAKE the possibility of "LOSING YOUR SALVATION", Square with "ETERNAL COMFORT", when they are exact opposites?

 

[Goodnewsman]

what about the future sins of a Christian?

when you sin, do you ask for forgiveness?

Forgiveness is a done deal bought for by the blood of our Lord. Despite what our religious upbringing has taught us. This is what scripture has to say about forgiveness but men's made up terms to support their religious views.

1 John 2:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] I am writing to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven you for His name's sake.

have been forgiven = perfect passive

Perfect Tense

The basic thought of the perfect tense is that the progress of an action has been completed and the results of the action are continuing on, in full effect.

In other words, the progress of the action has reached its culmination and the finished results are now in existence. Unlike the English perfect, which indicates a completed past action, the Greek perfect tense indicates the continuation and present state of a completed past action.

passive = voice = action is happening to you....you are not doing it

Without a doubt this verse says that the sins are forgiven from a past action that remains in a continuous state and that was put on them....not something they did


Brethren ...we have a great salvation in our Lord!

Here are some more scriptures on the forgiveness of God thru the precious blood of our Lord!....


Ephesians 1:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

We have redemption = present continuous action...so this means we have present continuous forgiveness of our sins...and look...that hyper-grace stuff shows up again!...it's all according to our loving Father's grace that He has given to us in Christ our Lord.

Colossians 1:13-14 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Same thing here too...present continuous action = forgiveness of sins


Redemption!..we have been bought with the precious Blood of Jesus... Let's honor His work

 

[Goodnewsman]

what about obedience?

this is not a question of faith instead of obedience, or obedience instead of faith. but it is a question of faith and obedience
your whole argument goes against the 2nd chapter of James.
James 2:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

since your not going to respond to Romans 3:25 let me ask you something else.

what about your future sin's?

when you sin, do you repent?

the reason I ask, is the way you wrote earlier, you believed all your sins (past, present and future) were already forgiven

HIS GRACE IS ETERNAL, and we are justified by HIS GRACE. That word grace, means something that we cannot earn, nor add our works to or it CEASES TO BE GRACE, and sinks below HIS STANDARDS, all the way down to only WAGES.

Romans 4:3-9 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
[SUP]7 [/SUP] "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered;
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Blessed is the man to whom the LORD shall not impute sin."
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Does this blessedness then come upon the circumcised only, or upon the uncircumcised also? For we say that faith was accounted to Abraham for righteousness.

Now either we are opposite ends of this debate, or we have MAJOR differences when it comes to Terminology Definitions;
which is it?

Romans 5:21 (ASV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] that, as sin reigned in death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

2 Thessalonians 2:16 (NRSV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Now may our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father, who loved us and through grace gave us eternal comfort and good hope,

1 Peter 5:10 (ASV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And the God of all grace, who called you unto his eternal glory in Christ, after that ye have suffered a little while, shall himself perfect, establish, strengthen you.


2 Thessalonians 2:16 (BBE)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father who had love for us and has given us eternal comfort and good hope through grace,

HOW DO YOU MAKE the possibility of "LOSING YOUR SALVATION", Square with "ETERNAL COMFORT", when they are exact opposites?

 

[Grace777x70]

This thread below might help you understand some things in this area...

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ion-confession-1-john-1-9-sin-confession.html

what about the future sins of a Christian?

when you sin, do you ask for forgiveness?

 

[Goodnewsman]

so basically, as long as you are a "Christian" your sins have no consequences whatsoever?

 

[Grace777x70]

I don't have a clue where you would get that idea from.....if you live according to the flesh you will have death, destruction,....sin is evil and destructive...sow to the flesh and you will have consequences here...try robbing a liquor store with a gun...you may not be around tomorrow...

Romans 8:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.


This would work well for people too...

Honk if you love Jesus...text if you want to meet Him

so basically, as long as you are a "Christian" your sins have no consequences whatsoever?

 

[VCO]

I've read what MacArthur says about justification, but, I've never read were he preached "eternal justification" for sins not yet committed, (not even in your own doctrinal statement) which is what you said in earlier posts.

again, please respond to the scripture (this makes my 3rd time now)
Romans 3:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

I am not trying to claim credit for my righteousness, I understand that Jesus did it all.

I doubt if you read enough of what MacArthur teaches to really have an understanding of what Dr. MacArthur really believes and teaches about Justification. If you really care to learn, which I doubt, here is one of his sermons that would be a good place to start:


[video=youtube;Ol999QUBo_g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol999QUBo_g[/video]

 

[VCO]

what about the future sins of a Christian?

when you sin, do you ask for forgiveness?

Of course we eagerly confess sin, every time we find it in our lives. It is part of the NEW NATURE, of our born again human spirit that HE brought to eternal life, when the Holy Spirit entered our hearts. BUT WE ARE NOT FORGIVEN BECAUSE OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE. WE ARE FORGIVEN PURELY BECAUSE OF WHAT JESUS CHRIST DID ON THE CROSS NEARLY TWO THOUSAND YEARS AGO. HIS FORGIVENESS PRODUCES IN THE HEARTS OF BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS, THE URGENT DESIRE TO THE CONFESS EVERY NEW SIN WE DISCOVER, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

Acts 13:38-39 (NIV)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] "Therefore, my brothers, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you.
[SUP]39 [/SUP] Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses.

Romans 3:20-24 (ASV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] because by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified in his sight; for through the law cometh the knowledge of sin.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] But now apart from the law a righteousness of God hath been manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
[SUP]22 [/SUP] even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction;
[SUP]23 [/SUP] for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God;
[SUP]24 [/SUP] being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Romans 8:28-30 (RSV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] We know that in everything God works for good with those who love him, who are called according to his purpose.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the first-born among many brethren.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] And those whom he predestined he also called; and those whom he called he also justified; and those whom he justified he also glorified.

Now where in those verses do you see anything that says we are justified by our DEEDS? Our deeds or obedience is purely because we LOVE HIM, or they would be a stinking pile of filthy rags, of no value to GOD.

John 14:15 (ESV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “If you love me, you will keep my commandments.

 

[Goodnewsman]

Another question then: what if you don't repent of your sins?

what if you acknowledge sin is there, but never repent? are there any consequences for this?

Of course we eagerly confess sin, every time we find it in our lives. It is part of the NEW NATURE, of our born again human spirit that HE brought to eternal life, when the Holy Spirit entered our hearts. BUT WE ARE NOT FORGIVEN BECAUSE OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE. WE ARE FORGIVEN PURELY BECAUSE OF WHAT JESUS CHRIST DID ON THE CROSS NEARLY TWO THOUSAND YEARS AGO. HIS FORGIVENESS PRODUCES IN THE HEARTS OF BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS, THE URGENT DESIRE TO THE CONFESS EVERY NEW SIN WE DISCOVER, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

Acts 13:38-39 (NIV)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] "Therefore, my brothers, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you.
[SUP]39 [/SUP] Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses.

Romans 3:20-24 (ASV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] because by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified in his sight; for through the law cometh the knowledge of sin.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] But now apart from the law a righteousness of God hath been manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
[SUP]22 [/SUP] even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction;
[SUP]23 [/SUP] for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God;
[SUP]24 [/SUP] being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Romans 8:28-30 (RSV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] We know that in everything God works for good with those who love him, who are called according to his purpose.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the first-born among many brethren.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] And those whom he predestined he also called; and those whom he called he also justified; and those whom he justified he also glorified.

Now where in those verses do you see anything that says we are justified by our DEEDS? Our deeds or obedience is purely because we LOVE HIM, or they would be a stinking pile of filthy rags, of no value to GOD.

John 14:15 (ESV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “If you love me, you will keep my commandments.

 

[Grace777x70]

I guess I is a good idea to know what "repent" means then...

A New Covenant Picture of Repentance

Here is the teaching on repentance..click on the link below for a read...

A New Covenant Picture of Repentance – Escape to Reality

Another question then: what if you don't repent of your sins?

what if you acknowledge sin is there, but never repent? are there any consequences for this?