What did the Jew receive first?
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Romans 2:1-10
1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that *judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.
3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are **contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
*Judgest=2919. krino kree'-no properly, to distinguish, i.e. decide (mentally or judicially); by implication, to try, condemn, punish:--avenge, conclude, condemn, damn, decree, determine, esteem, judge, go to (sue at the) law, ordain, call in question, sentence to, think.
**Contentious, not in Strong's KJV (self-willed)=Who are contentious - This expression usually denotes those who are of a quarrelsome or litigious disposition; and generally has reference to controversies among people. But here it evidently denotes a disposition toward God, and is of the same signification as rebellious, or as opposing God. They who contend with the Almighty; who resist his claims, who rebel against his laws, and refuse to submit to his requirements, however made known.
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1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that *judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.
3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are **contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
*Judgest=2919. krino kree'-no properly, to distinguish, i.e. decide (mentally or judicially); by implication, to try, condemn, punish:--avenge, conclude, condemn, damn, decree, determine, esteem, judge, go to (sue at the) law, ordain, call in question, sentence to, think.
**Contentious, not in Strong's KJV (self-willed)=Who are contentious - This expression usually denotes those who are of a quarrelsome or litigious disposition; and generally has reference to controversies among people. But here it evidently denotes a disposition toward God, and is of the same signification as rebellious, or as opposing God. They who contend with the Almighty; who resist his claims, who rebel against his laws, and refuse to submit to his requirements, however made known.
Information from this site Romans 2:8 But to them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
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This seems to me to be what is holding the church, those who know Christ, up from growth. Christ united Jew and gentile. The Jew fought that, as the book of Acts is all about. The way it was solved was for the gentiles to become dominant and get rid of the Jews as many Jews wanted to do with the gentiles. I think the key to this is that history says gentiles considers Jews "those weird Jews". Gentiles had to feel their God was a different kind of God with a new voice. Through this Christ was accepted as Savior by the gentiles, if Christ was a Jew to them they would have denied Him.
You can see how growth is being fought right here on CC. It is righteous indignation over the idea of the God of the Old Testament being the same God as Christ, the message the same. Every negative post is another way of giving this message to us, the same message that Constantine gave in 325. I would have joined them ten years ago. God is working and it is being accomplished.
You can see how growth is being fought right here on CC. It is righteous indignation over the idea of the God of the Old Testament being the same God as Christ, the message the same. Every negative post is another way of giving this message to us, the same message that Constantine gave in 325. I would have joined them ten years ago. God is working and it is being accomplished.
And this battle within the ranks of the church continues. The sad thing is that new borns can easily be lead astray. Myopia is an eye decease. It can be also identified a spiritual blindness.
Matthew 6:22-23
22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
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Fighting over the bible is stupid. But it happens all the time. and It seems to invoke a certain pride among those who love to beat others up with “God’s truth.” But what if we loved each other despite how we viewed scripture? What if we worked together?
Matthew 6:22-23
22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
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Fighting over the bible is stupid. But it happens all the time. and It seems to invoke a certain pride among those who love to beat others up with “God’s truth.” But what if we loved each other despite how we viewed scripture? What if we worked together?
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My pastor and I do not understand scripture the same, but we agree, we are together in Christ. I just received a wonderful personal message from a CC poster that often we have disagreements in our posts. She loves the Lord and so do I, we are sisters in Christ, we support each other in prayer. We do not have to agree to be one in Christ, but we have to be honest when we report what we understand of the Lord based on scripture. That should never affect our oneness under Christ.
He's having a hard time seeing that the word has two usages, one by pagans and another by the NT,
and it is the job of a lexicon to give both usages.
He is wed to the pagan usage of the word because by it he hopes to piggyback religious rites into the NT
which he can say came from the OT and thus establish such rites of the OT as authoritative for the NT.
The confusion arose when he said I was giving Strong's Concordance a "pagan theme."
And I responded with "Didn't you know Strong's was written by a pagan?"
Evidently he missed the intended humor.
And the rest is history. . .
and it is the job of a lexicon to give both usages.
He is wed to the pagan usage of the word because by it he hopes to piggyback religious rites into the NT
which he can say came from the OT and thus establish such rites of the OT as authoritative for the NT.
The confusion arose when he said I was giving Strong's Concordance a "pagan theme."
And I responded with "Didn't you know Strong's was written by a pagan?"
Evidently he missed the intended humor.
And the rest is history. . .
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I found that page from an interesting blog by Robert Mock, Destination Yisra'el, as I do not want to be too quick to dismiss any insight the rabbinic sages might have to offer. I am not sure God has cut off all communication with them, especially since there are those that recognize Yeshua for who He is. And since I am not certain all OT prophecy has has been fulfilled, I imagine if God revealed Himself to anyone, it is those studied in the Tanakh that would smack themselves in the forehead and say, "I should have had a V8."
This is the page's latest article, explaining that the tribulation has begun.
Destination Yisra'el: Jewish Anti-Semitism
This is the page's latest article, explaining that the tribulation has begun.
Destination Yisra'el: Jewish Anti-Semitism
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This has been a wonderful thread, very thought provoking. It has brought out those against scripture in full force, they have used making fun of scripture, saying they are so misunderstood, they have acted like children taunting posters, it has been full force. When there is truth these things have always happened, so truth must have been brought out. If you read the posts about scripture and skip those against it, much can be learned.
Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: and not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord. 2 Co. 3:12-18
That is pretty sick. If it is true that it was a joke to start with, there is something drastically wrong with a person who deliberately causes chaos and contention where others are trying to edify one another.
If it was started as serious comments and the claim that it was a joke was made to save face after being embarrassed, that individual needs to repent of his/her overmuch pride.
If it was started as serious comments and the claim that it was a joke was made to save face after being embarrassed, that individual needs to repent of his/her overmuch pride.
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...n-all-cc-users-please-listen.html#post1712735
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
(Romans 10:10)
I'm sure many who visit cc didn't see it that way. I think there is something wrong upstairs. You are to be pitied, and that's no joke. It's no laughing matter. Your prowess is not impressive.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
(Romans 10:10)
I'm sure many who visit cc didn't see it that way. I think there is something wrong upstairs. You are to be pitied, and that's no joke. It's no laughing matter. Your prowess is not impressive.
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imprisoned until the coming faith would be reveal what date would that have been about would that be at a guess 33- 48 ad for both.
so how can the full law, given to moses. be followed without a temple of stone, 70 ad. with the requirement this had on the full law and degrees. given to moses.
23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed.24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring,.Galatians 3
28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also,30 since God is one---who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.Romans 3
for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.
all one in Christ Jesus
so how can the full law, given to moses. be followed without a temple of stone, 70 ad. with the requirement this had on the full law and degrees. given to moses.
23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed.24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring,.Galatians 3
28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also,30 since God is one---who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.Romans 3
for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.
all one in Christ Jesus