What does the Law REALLY say?
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but the Gospel is what we are to obey (2 Thess. 1:8). We are either accountable to the old law or we're not. If we are, then we're obligated to keep the whole law. If we consider ourselves still obligated under the old law, then we must go to Jerusalemm once a year to worship and would have to,do,animal sacrifice .
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Then you're obeying a law that no longer exists. In Gal. 5:4 Paul warned the Galation Christians that if they tried to be justified by the old law, they were FALLEN from grace. The NT, especially Romans and Hebrews is filled with warnings not to return to the law. Again, in order to be obedient to the old law, you would have to go,to Jarualizm once a year and offer animal sacrifices and all the other rituals associated with the old law.
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Did Jesus fulfill and complete the law? Did he or not? The church is not part of the law nor of the OT prophets, for they did not see the church nor the body of Christ that would be raised up for it was a mystery unrevealed. They had no idea what the death, burial and resurrection of Christ would do for sinful man and to sinful man who believed. They did not understand anything about being new creatures in Christ where old things would pass away and all things would become new. This was not predicted, prophesied nor understood in any imagination or thought in the heart of any man until it was revealed by the Spirit in the person and work of Jesus Christ and later by the apostle Paul directly from the Lord and to him alone, which took place after the cross and after the law had been fulfilled by Christ.
Tell me one part of the law that was not fulfilled by our Lord Jesus Christ. If he did not fulfill all the law that was written then his sacrifice would not be perfect. Did his expression on the cross that exclaimed, 'IT IS FINISHED' speak to the complete fulfillment of every single demand of the law? Was not his life a perfect expression of a perfect man, created in the likeness of sinful flesh, who never sinned nor failed one single point or ordinance of the law with all of its holy demands? It is because of Him and the life he lived and the blood he shed and the death he died and the sin he buried and his resurrection from the dead that we can have all of his righteousness and have it by faith without keeping one jot or tittle of the law. Don't you know that we are saved and reckoned to be righteous by grace through faith because of his work and not our own? In the same manner that we have received him and have been saved, we are also to walk. Have you not read this and understood this in the gospel and scriptures that we have been given through mercy and grace?
Tell me one part of the law that was not fulfilled by our Lord Jesus Christ. If he did not fulfill all the law that was written then his sacrifice would not be perfect. Did his expression on the cross that exclaimed, 'IT IS FINISHED' speak to the complete fulfillment of every single demand of the law? Was not his life a perfect expression of a perfect man, created in the likeness of sinful flesh, who never sinned nor failed one single point or ordinance of the law with all of its holy demands? It is because of Him and the life he lived and the blood he shed and the death he died and the sin he buried and his resurrection from the dead that we can have all of his righteousness and have it by faith without keeping one jot or tittle of the law. Don't you know that we are saved and reckoned to be righteous by grace through faith because of his work and not our own? In the same manner that we have received him and have been saved, we are also to walk. Have you not read this and understood this in the gospel and scriptures that we have been given through mercy and grace?
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BradC,
I will no longer reply to you until you reply to my post here...link ->What do we do with God's Law?
I will no longer reply to you until you reply to my post here...link ->What do we do with God's Law?
J
The fact of the matter? There are those here who do not believe the gospel of Jesus Christ of the New Testament. It's the gospel plus the law, Hebrew roots corruptions, some useless law subset their own invention that makes them feel self righteous, who knows what it even is, but the likes of Catholicism's Bible plus Catechism, SDA's Bible plus Ellen G. White, or Bible plus Book of Mormon, whatever, nothing new under the sun, really: vanity and its self righteousness.
The bottom line is you could post scripture out the wazoo, directly contradicting all they claim, to no avail. I've done it many times. They ignore the most important, clear teachings of Paul, reject his teachings. And they'll go on pushing some law they don't really even keep, cackling like confused hens how wonderful the law is they don't keep, until kingdom come.
Matthew 23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
The bottom line is you could post scripture out the wazoo, directly contradicting all they claim, to no avail. I've done it many times. They ignore the most important, clear teachings of Paul, reject his teachings. And they'll go on pushing some law they don't really even keep, cackling like confused hens how wonderful the law is they don't keep, until kingdom come.
Matthew 23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
C
Is this what you really meant to say (of coarse it is plan to see what I wrote are not your actual words):
Because they say that we are to walk righteously before God and we know we cannot do that.
Even if Paul said he delights in God's Law, it is Law, so throw it out.
So don't listen to them because God understands we are human and no longer requires us to be righteous before Him.
Following God's righteous path is just vanity. It leads nowhere. We are Christians, we do not have to obey, because it would be self-righteousness.
One of which is not that the Christian faith does not void law, but establishes it. But, we should use this faith to abolish law. God forbid that we should establish His Law.
Like I said, God understands you are human, there is no need to be as perfect as your Father in Heaven is. No one can have love undivided, and if you fail in it once, then you have fail it completely. So, why keep it.
There is still hope for you.
Because they say that we are to walk righteously before God and we know we cannot do that.
Even if Paul said he delights in God's Law, it is Law, so throw it out.
So don't listen to them because God understands we are human and no longer requires us to be righteous before Him.
Following God's righteous path is just vanity. It leads nowhere. We are Christians, we do not have to obey, because it would be self-righteousness.
One of which is not that the Christian faith does not void law, but establishes it. But, we should use this faith to abolish law. God forbid that we should establish His Law.
Like I said, God understands you are human, there is no need to be as perfect as your Father in Heaven is. No one can have love undivided, and if you fail in it once, then you have fail it completely. So, why keep it.
There is still hope for you.
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First, if we obey the law we inherently abide by the Gospel, but read what Paul teaches. Remember, Moses wrote down the laws. Previous to this time, except for the laws about the promised land, food, and the Temple, there was the oral tradition, but you may read this about Abraham obeying the commandments in the Old Testament.
As for Abraham abiding by the Gospel..........He knew it and abided by it.
Gal 3:8
(ASV)
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all the nations be blessed.
(CEV)
Long ago the Scriptures said that God would accept the Gentiles because of their faith. That's why God told Abraham the good news that all nations would be blessed because of him.
(Darby)
and the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the nations on the principle of faith, announced beforehand the glad tidings to Abraham: In thee all the nations shall be blessed.
(DRB)
And the scripture, foreseeing that God justifieth the Gentiles by faith, told unto Abraham before: In thee shall all nations be blessed.
(FDB)
Or l'écriture, prévoyant que Dieu justifierait les nations sur le principe de la foi, a d'avance annoncé la bonne nouvelle à Abraham: "En toi toutes les nations seront bénies".
(FLS)
Aussi l'Écriture, prévoyant que Dieu justifierait les païens par la foi, a d'avance annoncé cette bonne nouvelle à Abraham: Toutes les nations seront bénies en toi!
My personal approach in passing on what I have learned is not so as to be a teacher, rather I would share what has blessed my soul in reading the Word.
Yes, Abraham not only obeyed the commandments, He lived by the Gospel.
As for Abraham abiding by the Gospel..........He knew it and abided by it.
Gal 3:8
(ASV)
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all the nations be blessed.
(CEV)
Long ago the Scriptures said that God would accept the Gentiles because of their faith. That's why God told Abraham the good news that all nations would be blessed because of him.
(Darby)
and the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the nations on the principle of faith, announced beforehand the glad tidings to Abraham: In thee all the nations shall be blessed.
(DRB)
And the scripture, foreseeing that God justifieth the Gentiles by faith, told unto Abraham before: In thee shall all nations be blessed.
(FDB)
Or l'écriture, prévoyant que Dieu justifierait les nations sur le principe de la foi, a d'avance annoncé la bonne nouvelle à Abraham: "En toi toutes les nations seront bénies".
(FLS)
Aussi l'Écriture, prévoyant que Dieu justifierait les païens par la foi, a d'avance annoncé cette bonne nouvelle à Abraham: Toutes les nations seront bénies en toi!
My personal approach in passing on what I have learned is not so as to be a teacher, rather I would share what has blessed my soul in reading the Word.
Yes, Abraham not only obeyed the commandments, He lived by the Gospel.
If you like the quote of Abraham knowing the Gospel, it sstands to reason you will really like to read how Abraham obeyed God's commandments, statutes, etc.
As I have shared many times previous, we are of the faith of Abraham as Jesus Christ teaches us.
Gen 26:5
(ASV)
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
(Brenton)
Because Abraam thy father hearkened to my voice, and kept my injunctions, and my commandments, and my ordinances, and my statutes.
(CEV)
because Abraham did everything I told him to do.
(Darby)
because that Abraham hearkened to my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
(DRB)
Because Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my precepts and commandments, and observed my ceremonies and laws.
(FDB)
-parce qu'Abraham a écouté ma voix, et a gardé mon ordonnance, mes commandements, mes statuts et mes lois.
(FLS)
parce qu'Abraham a obéi à ma voix, et qu'il a observé mes ordres, mes commandements, mes statuts et mes lois.
As I have shared many times previous, we are of the faith of Abraham as Jesus Christ teaches us.
Gen 26:5
(ASV)
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
(Brenton)
Because Abraam thy father hearkened to my voice, and kept my injunctions, and my commandments, and my ordinances, and my statutes.
(CEV)
because Abraham did everything I told him to do.
(Darby)
because that Abraham hearkened to my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
(DRB)
Because Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my precepts and commandments, and observed my ceremonies and laws.
(FDB)
-parce qu'Abraham a écouté ma voix, et a gardé mon ordonnance, mes commandements, mes statuts et mes lois.
(FLS)
parce qu'Abraham a obéi à ma voix, et qu'il a observé mes ordres, mes commandements, mes statuts et mes lois.