Where did the idea that the soul is immortal originate?

[Seriphena]

The absolute best verse, which shows spirits alive is:
(..And I think RachelBibleStudent posted this earlier.)



All but the spiritually blind can see that this verse is clearly saying that Abraham, Issac and Jacob are currently living, NOT DEAD!

Jesus also said that if we believe we'll never see death. But He also said, that though you die, yet shall you live. In other words, you will die before you live. Abraham and David were still said to be sleeping at the time of Christ, and yet Christ said their God is the God of the living. Obviously Christ considered them alive just as He considered Lazurus to be alive (just asleep) even though Christ still needed to raise Lazurus from the dead when He said that.

You comment that all but the spiritually blind can see your version of the truth shows how immature in Christ you are. Even if I'm dead wrong, that was a totally unChristlike condescending statement. It shows what you're about. You represent the dogmatic, self-righteous, unteachable type of Christian orthodox Christianity represents to the modern world. If anything in this world could convince me your stance is wrong, that would be it. I'm backing out of this conversation on grounds that it's not good for my faith to see such bad examples controlling Christian sites.

 

[danschance]

Jesus also said that if we believe we'll never see death. But He also said, that though you die, yet shall you live. In other words, you will die before you live. Abraham and David were still said to be sleeping at the time of Christ, and yet Christ said their God is the God of the living. Obviously Christ considered them alive just as He considered Lazurus to be alive (just asleep) even though Christ still needed to raise Lazurus from the dead when He said that.

You comment that all but the spiritually blind can see your version of the truth shows how immature in Christ you are. Even if I'm dead wrong, that was a totally unChristlike condescending statement. It shows what you're about. You represent the dogmatic, self-righteous, unteachable type of Christian orthodox Christianity represents to the modern world. If anything in this world could convince me your stance is wrong, that would be it. I'm backing out of this conversation on grounds that it's not good for my faith to see such bad examples controlling Christian sites.

Wow. I have been called a liar, a slanderer and now immature. LOL, I am sorry you feel the need to resort to name calling.

I stand by my words. All but the spiritually blind can see the truth in that verse, spoken by the Lord Himself. Jesus says that Abraham, Issac and Jacob are still alive and that is because God is the God of the living, not the dead....Can you see what that is clearly saying? Now you can call me names and say Jesus is a liar, but facts are facts.

In our society, we say a person has "passed on" instead of saying he is dead because it tends to soften the blow. In the old testament saying "He slept with his fathers" or saying a person is asleep does in fact mean they are dead. It is just a figure of speech that cults have turned into doctrine.

 

[Seriphena]

Wow. I have been called a liar, a slanderer and now immature. LOL, I am sorry you feel the need to resort to name calling.

I stand by my words. All but the spiritually blind can see the truth in that verse, spoken by the Lord Himself. Jesus says that Abraham, Issac and Jacob are still alive and that is because God is the God of the living, not the dead....Can you see what that is clearly saying? Now you can call me names and say Jesus is a liar, but facts are facts.

In our society, we say a person has "passed on" instead of saying he is dead because it tends to soften the blow. In the old testament saying "He slept with his fathers" or saying a person is asleep does in fact mean they are dead. It is just a figure of speech that cults have turned into doctrine.

Well actually, I'm convinced that you're all three of those things. I think what you posted here about Ellen G. White was all slander. I looked up some of those quotes and they're taken entirely out of context and doctored to sound like something other than what she said. You misrepresent Christ. Your reasoning is entirely bogus. And you insult others that disagree with your bogus reasoning. I'm not going to speak with you after this. Scriptures say to flee from people like you, and I'm taking that advice. You'll have to answer God. Yes, God is just. I think misrepresenting Him is blasphemy. But I'm sure you won't see that. It's like they say about insane people. They never question their sanity. This thread is all yours now, danschance, which just goes to show that getting the last word in doesn't make you right. God ultimately has the last word.

 

[danschance]

Well actually, I'm convinced that you're all three of those things. I think what you posted here about Ellen G. White was all slander. I looked up some of those quotes and they're taken entirely out of context and doctored to sound like something other than what she said. You misrepresent Christ. Your reasoning is entirely bogus. And you insult others that disagree with your bogus reasoning. I'm not going to speak with you after this. Scriptures say to flee from people like you, and I'm taking that advice. You'll have to answer God. Yes, God is just. I think misrepresenting Him is blasphemy. But I'm sure you won't see that. It's like they say about insane people. They never question their sanity. This thread is all yours now, danschance, which just goes to show that getting the last word in doesn't make you right. God ultimately has the last word.

I think what you posted here about Ellen G. White was all slander.

Thinking I am wrong and proving it are two different things.

I looked up some of those quotes and they're taken entirely out of context and doctored to sound like something other than what she said.

I would of enjoyed you posting them and proving me wrong. If I am proven wrong, I will quickly admit it and change my ways.

I am sorry your feelings are hurt but until I see proof that I am wrong, I will stick by everything I posted. I believe Ellen G. White is a false prophet, Seventh Day Adventism is a cult and under no circumstances would I ever let anyone I know join them. I feel they are almost as bad as Mormons, Jehovah's Witness' and Christian Scientists.

 

[Elin]

Well now that's the ultimate example of taking a quote out of context. Let me try this again.

That wasn't addressed to you.

 

[Elin]

And dogmania is a terrible thing. The accuser is almost always the guilty party. If I was to buy into this belief, that the bible actually teaches these things, I would reject the Christian religion as a man-made belief system. Fortunately I don't accept it.

And yet, there it is all over the NT, shown in many ways, by events as well as by questions about Scriptural statements.

1) First, we see an immortal spirit (pneuma; not breath, which is pnoe) returning to its body in Lk 8:55. (Addressed fully here).

2) Then there is what Jesus said:

Mt 22:31-32 - "In the account of the bush (Lk 20:37-38), have you not read what God said to you, 'I am (present tense) the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob. He is not the God of the dead but of the living."

Two hundred years after the death of the patriarchs, God declared he is (present tense) the God of the patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Ex 3:6). Since he is (present tense) the God only of the living, and not the God of the dead, what part of the patriarchs are still living?

Lk 16:22-26 - "The time came when the beggar man died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. . .he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to. . .cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
But Abraham replied. . .'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' "

Jesus presented the rich man in hell, with he and Abraham conversing with one another after their deaths.
If their bodies were dead, then what parts of them were conversing together? (Addressed fully here, fifth response.).

Lk 8:51 - "If anyone keeps my word, he will never see death."

Well, all those to whom Jesus spoke those words are now dead.
And God told Adam that the day he ate of the fruit he would die, but he lived for centuries.

So what did not die (in the case of believers), and what did die (in the case of Adam)? (addressed fully here, second response)

Jn 5:24 - "Whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal llife. . .he has crossed over from death to life."

So what was dead? . . .it wasn't their bodies.
From what death did they cross over?

3) We find the same thing in the epistles:

1Jn 3:14 - "We know we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death. . .no murderer has eternal life in him."

Again, what was dead? . . .it wasn't their bodies.
From what death did they pass?

Col 2:13 - "When you were dead in your sins. . .God made you alive with Christ."

Eph 2:1,3 - "You were dead in your transgressions and sins. . .by nature objects of wrath."

Again, what was dead? It wasn't their bodies.

Php 1:23 - "I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ which is better by far, but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body."

The NT plainly states that when believers die, they are with Christ, apart from their body.

So what part of them is with Christ, apart from their body?

Heb 12:18, 22-24 - "You have not come to a mountain that is burning with fire. . .You have come to Mount Zion. . .You have come to God, the judge of all men, to the spirits of righteous men made perfect, to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant. . ."

The NT reveals that the spirits of former righteous believers (e.g., Abel and Noah, vv.4, 7) are immortal
and are waiting for the resurrection.

Correct handling of the ten Scriptures above shows that the human spirit is immortal.

 

[Michael50]

And yet, there it is all over the NT, shown in many ways, by events as well as by questions about Scriptural statements.

1) First, we see an immortal spirit (pneuma; not breath, which is pnoe) returning to its body in Lk 8:55. (Addressed fully here).

2) Then there is what Jesus said:

Mt 22:31-32 - "In the account of the bush (Lk 20:37-38), have you not read what God said to you, 'I am (present tense) the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob. He is not the God of the dead but of the living."

Two hundred years after the death of the patriarchs, God declared he is (present tense) the God of the patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Ex 3:6). Since he is (present tense) the God only of the living, and not the God of the dead, what part of the patriarchs are still living?

Lk 16:22-26 - "The time came when the beggar man died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. . .he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to. . .cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
But Abraham replied. . .'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' "

Jesus presented the rich man in hell, with he and Abraham conversing with one another after their deaths.
If their bodies were dead, then what parts of them were conversing together? (Addressed fully here, fifth response.).

Lk 8:51 - "If anyone keeps my word, he will never see death."

Well, all those to whom Jesus spoke those words are now dead.
And God told Adam that the day he ate of the fruit he would die, but he lived for centuries.

So what did not die (in the case of believers), and what did die (in the case of Adam)? (addressed fully here, second response)

Jn 5:24 - "Whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal llife. . .he has crossed over from death to life."

So what was dead? . . .it wasn't their bodies.
From what death did they cross over?

3) We find the same thing in the epistles:

1Jn 3:14 - "We know we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death. . .no murderer has eternal life in him."

Again, what was dead? . . .it wasn't their bodies.
From what death did they pass?

Col 2:13 - "When you were dead in your sins. . .God made you alive with Christ."

Eph 2:1,3 - "You were dead in your transgressions and sins. . .by nature objects of wrath."

Again, what was dead? It wasn't their bodies.

Php 1:23 - "I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ which is better by far, but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body."

The NT plainly states that when believers die, they are with Christ, apart from their body.

So what part of them is with Christ, apart from their body?

Heb 12:18, 22-24 - "You have not come to a mountain that is burning with fire. . .You have come to Mount Zion. . .You have come to God, the judge of all men, to the spirits of righteous men made perfect, to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant. . ."

The NT reveals that the spirits of former righteous believers (e.g., Abel and Noah, vv.4, 7) are immortal
and are waiting for the resurrection.

Correct handling of the ten Scriptures above shows that the human spirit is immortal.

If we were immortal we would have no need of a God or a Saviour for that matter. You are self-deluded.

 

[notuptome]

If we were immortal we would have no need of a God or a Saviour for that matter. You are self-deluded.

Christ does not change our immortality only where we spend eternity.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Elin]

If we were immortal we would have no need of a God or a Saviour for that matter.

Using human reasoning again to try to overturn Scripture.

You still have not addressed these, presented in response to your first post.

1) First, we see an immortal spirit (pneuma; not breath, which is pnoe) returning to its body in Lk 8:55. (Addressed fully here).

2) Then there is what Jesus said:

Mt 22:31-32 - "In the account of the bush (Lk 20:37-38), have you not read what God said to you, 'I am (present tense) the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob. He is not the God of the dead but of the living."

Two hundred years after the death of the patriarchs, God declared he is (present tense) the God of the patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Ex 3:6). Since he is (present tense) the God only of the living, and not the God of the dead, what part of the patriarchs are still living?

Lk 16:22-26 - "The time came when the beggar man died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. . .he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to. . .cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
But Abraham replied. . .'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' "

Jesus presented the rich man in hell, with he and Abraham conversing with one another after their deaths.
If their bodies were dead, then what parts of them were conversing together? (Addressed fully here, fifth response.).

Lk 8:51 - "If anyone keeps my word, he will never see death."

Well, all those to whom Jesus spoke those words are now dead.
And God told Adam that the day he ate of the fruit he would die, but he lived for centuries.

So what did not die (in the case of believers), and what did die (in the case of Adam)? (addressed fully here, second response)

Jn 5:24 - "Whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal llife. . .he has crossed over from death to life."

So what was dead? . . .it wasn't their bodies.
From what death did they cross over?

3) We find the same thing in the epistles:

1Jn 3:14 - "We know we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death. . .no murderer has eternal life in him."

Again, what was dead? . . .it wasn't their bodies.
From what death did they pass?

Col 2:13 - "When you were dead in your sins. . .God made you alive with Christ."

Eph 2:1,3 - "You were dead in your transgressions and sins. . .by nature objects of wrath."

Again, what was dead? It wasn't their bodies.

Php 1:23 - "I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ which is better by far, but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body."

The NT plainly states that when believers die, they are with Christ, apart from their body.

So what part of them is with Christ, apart from their body?

Heb 12:18, 22-24 - "You have not come to a mountain that is burning with fire. . .You have come to Mount Zion. . .You have come to God, the judge of all men, to the spirits of righteous men made perfect, to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant. . ."

The NT reveals that the spirits of former righteous believers (e.g., Abel and Noah, vv.4, 7) are immortal
and are waiting for the resurrection.

Correct handling of the ten Scriptures above shows that the human spirit is immortal.

 

[danschance]

Interesting...

Someone posts 10 scriptures and they get called "deluded". ...and they claim they are not cultists.

 

[Michael50]

Using human reasoning again to try to overturn Scripture.

You still have not addressed these, presented in response to your first post.

1) First, we see an immortal spirit (pneuma; not breath, which is pnoe) returning to its body in Lk 8:55. (Addressed fully here).

2) Then there is what Jesus said:

Mt 22:31-32 - "In the account of the bush (Lk 20:37-38), have you not read what God said to you, 'I am (present tense) the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob. He is not the God of the dead but of the living."

Two hundred years after the death of the patriarchs, God declared he is (present tense) the God of the patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Ex 3:6). Since he is (present tense) the God only of the living, and not the God of the dead, what part of the patriarchs are still living?

Lk 16:22-26 - "The time came when the beggar man died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. . .he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to. . .cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
But Abraham replied. . .'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' "

Jesus presented the rich man in hell, with he and Abraham conversing with one another after their deaths.
If their bodies were dead, then what parts of them were conversing together? (Addressed fully here, fifth response.).

Lk 8:51 - "If anyone keeps my word, he will never see death."

Well, all those to whom Jesus spoke those words are now dead.
And God told Adam that the day he ate of the fruit he would die, but he lived for centuries.

So what did not die (in the case of believers), and what did die (in the case of Adam)? (addressed fully here, second response)

Jn 5:24 - "Whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal llife. . .he has crossed over from death to life."

So what was dead? . . .it wasn't their bodies.
From what death did they cross over?

3) We find the same thing in the epistles:

1Jn 3:14 - "We know we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death. . .no murderer has eternal life in him."

Again, what was dead? . . .it wasn't their bodies.
From what death did they pass?

Col 2:13 - "When you were dead in your sins. . .God made you alive with Christ."

Eph 2:1,3 - "You were dead in your transgressions and sins. . .by nature objects of wrath."

Again, what was dead? It wasn't their bodies.

Php 1:23 - "I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ which is better by far, but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body."

The NT plainly states that when believers die, they are with Christ, apart from their body.

So what part of them is with Christ, apart from their body?

Heb 12:18, 22-24 - "You have not come to a mountain that is burning with fire. . .You have come to Mount Zion. . .You have come to God, the judge of all men, to the spirits of righteous men made perfect, to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant. . ."

The NT reveals that the spirits of former righteous believers (e.g., Abel and Noah, vv.4, 7) are immortal
and are waiting for the resurrection.

Correct handling of the ten Scriptures above shows that the human spirit is immortal.

Elin,, nobody sees an immortal spirit returning. Again, You supplied the word "immortal". You made that up and decided it's a fact, and then expect people to dispute your adding of the word "immortal"??? Paul says , that at the appearing of christ we mortals will then put on immortality. AT THE APPEARING OF JESUS. 1 Corithians 15:50-55 is somthing you should consider. When do the dead get raised? Isn't it at the Last day? Doesn't Jesus say it is then that He will raise the dead? John 6:39,40,44,54 ????? That is when the redeemed of the Lord will have eternal Life. "Behold I come quickly, My Reward is WITH Me." Nowhere does scripture teach we recieve our reward of eternal life & immortality when we die!!! Nowhere!

 

[homwardbound]

What about that verse that says God is able to destroy both soul and body in hell?? Doesn't that tell us that the soul and body are different?

Matthew 10:28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Only God can kill both and only satan can kill the body period. Now I tell you if you do not beleive God will destroy both. Very clear. Never does it say that one will burn and be nothing, then there will be no torment for that Soul, and by the definition that it goes into nothingness frees peaople to not care and says there is no eteranl punishment for those that raped others of their goods.
Now God is righteous in that he took care of the sins of the whole world for all, if we come to appreciate and not take it for granted and not use this amzing grace as an excuse for sinful behavior.
Now God reveals this truth to all and at one point every individual comes to a crossroads and knowingly chooses to beleive in Christ and become a doer in Christ by Christ living not only in them but today through them by the Power of God the Father who freely gives this power to all that believe.
Or that person(s) decide to be or stay selfish out for their own gain them knowingly have made this choice then masquerade themselves as angels of light to fool the very elect. For there are many AntiChrists out in this world today to decieve and have done a very good masquerading of their flesh and have convinced many to work for God by means of their own flesh and are decieved to the truth of God and by this deception of flesh works, have destroyed the power of the cross mainly the resurrection people not seeing that after the death that took away the sins new life followed and most are stuck on the death a half-sham Gospel set up by the princes of this world to refute truth of God and create need in the Human race to actually take the peoples money from them and end up with as Jesus said to those hyppocrites in his day
[h=3]Mark 7:10-12[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;

how many of us have paid our so called tithes and have thus passed up others that we knew needed our help by God's trying to lead us through the Holy Spirit of God in our new born again life, because we get caught up in flesh works and listen to man's great swelling words that really is for their own profit and was not a prophet
Let al you with ears hear what the Spirit of God is saying and be doers of What God tells you not man

 

[homwardbound]

Elin,, nobody sees an immortal spirit returning. Again, You supplied the word "immortal". You made that up and decided it's a fact, and then expect people to dispute your adding of the word "immortal"??? Paul says , that at the appearing of christ we mortals will then put on immortality. AT THE APPEARING OF JESUS. 1 Corithians 15:50-55 is somthing you should consider. When do the dead get raised? Isn't it at the Last day? Doesn't Jesus say it is then that He will raise the dead? John 6:39,40,44,54 ????? That is when the redeemed of the Lord will have eternal Life. "Behold I come quickly, My Reward is WITH Me." Nowhere does scripture teach we recieve our reward of eternal life & immortality when we die!!! Nowhere!

Is not putting on our immortality our new bodies?
Romans 8:23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Right now wea are here in unredeemed bodies yes?
So then would this be why Paul said to be dead here and now to our unredeemed bodies so that by this we shall serve God in the Spirit of God I think so Romans 1-5 is clear and if do not see it there then read Romans 6-8 and if you still do not see this in whole as pa=ul very well descibes yet can only be discerned to each person by God then I do not know what else to sa. except to beg God to recieve Gods's Mercy knowiing there is no way anyone can pay the debt they owe to God, and are in need of God's Mercy. And God will grant it if you have no malice of serving self and or others besides God himself
Love you all God's way 1 cor 13

 

[Elin]

Using human reasoning again to try to overturn Scripture.

You still have not addressed these, presented in response at your first post.

1) First, we see an immortal spirit (pneuma; not breath, which is pnoe) returning to its body in Lk 8:55. (Addressed fully here).

2) Then there is what Jesus said:

Mt 22:31-32 - "In the account of the bush (Lk 20:37-38), have you not read what God said to you, 'I am (present tense) the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob. He is not the God of the dead but of the living."

Two hundred years after the death of the patriarchs, God declared he is (present tense) the God of the patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Ex 3:6). Since he is (present tense) the God only of the living, and not the God of the dead, what part of the patriarchs are still living?

Lk 16:22-26 - "The time came when the beggar man died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. . .he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to. . .cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
But Abraham replied. . .'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' "

Jesus presented the rich man in hell, with he and Abraham conversing with one another after their deaths.
If their bodies were dead, then what parts of them were conversing together? (Addressed fully here, fifth response.).

Lk 8:51 - "If anyone keeps my word, he will never see death."

Well, all those to whom Jesus spoke those words are now dead.
And God told Adam that the day he ate of the fruit he would die, but he lived for centuries.

So what did not die (in the case of believers), and what did die (in the case of Adam)? (addressed fully here, second response)

Jn 5:24 - "Whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal llife. . .he has crossed over from death to life."

So what was dead? . . .it wasn't their bodies.
From what death did they cross over?

3) We find the same thing in the epistles:

1Jn 3:14 - "We know we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death. . .no murderer has eternal life in him."

Again, what was dead? . . .it wasn't their bodies.
From what death did they pass?

Col 2:13 - "When you were dead in your sins. . .God made you alive with Christ."

Eph 2:1,3 - "You were dead in your transgressions and sins. . .by nature objects of wrath."

Again, what was dead? It wasn't their bodies.

Php 1:23 - "I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ which is better by far, but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body."

The NT plainly states that when believers die, they are with Christ, apart from their body.

So what part of them is with Christ, apart from their body?

Heb 12:18, 22-24 - "You have not come to a mountain that is burning with fire. . .You have come to Mount Zion. . .You have come to God, the judge of all men, to the spirits of righteous men made perfect, to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant. . ."

The NT reveals that the spirits of former righteous believers (e.g., Abel and Noah, vv.4, 7) are immortal
and are waiting for the resurrection.

Correct handling of the ten Scriptures above shows that the human spirit is immortal.

Elin,, nobody sees an immortal spirit returning. Again, You supplied the word "immortal". You made that up

All spirits are immortal--divine, angelic and human.
They are not bodies which can die.

and decided it's a fact, and then expect people to dispute your adding of the word "immortal"??? Paul says , that at the appearing of christ we mortals will then put on immortality. AT THE APPEARING OF JESUS. 1 Corithians 15:50-55 is somthing you should consider.

And you should consider the words of the text.

Paul clearly says it is our mortal bodies (v. 42, 35, 37, 38, 40, 44) that will put on immortality.
That's not a statement about our spirits.

I'm having a hard time believing that your blustery posturing and misconstruing of the texts here is not deliberate,
that you're not hoping thereby to confuse the issue, according to the old proverb:
"There is profit in confusion."

Blustery posturing and misconstrued texts are the only rebuttal your theology has to offer to the plain Scriptures.

When do the dead get raised? Isn't it at the Last day? Doesn't Jesus say it is then that He will raise the dead? John 6:39,40,44,54 ????? That is when the redeemed of the Lord will have eternal Life. "Behold I come quickly, My Reward is WITH Me." Nowhere does scripture teach we recieve our reward of eternal life & immortality when we die!!!

Agreed. . .straw man.

Our spirits receive eternal life when we are born again (Jn 5:24), and our bodies receive immortality at the resurrection (1Co 15:42).

Nowhere!

And nowhere! do you address the Scriptures presented above.

The emperor has no clothes. . .

 

[Michael50]

All spirits are immortal--divine, angelic and human.
They are not bodies which can die.


And you should consider the words of the text.

Paul clearly says it is our mortal bodies (v. 42, 35, 37, 38, 40, 44) that will put on immortality.
That's not a statement about our spirits.

I'm having a hard time believing that your blustery posturing and misconstruing of the texts here is not deliberate,
that you're not hoping thereby to confuse the issue, according to the old proverb:
"There is profit in confusion."

Blustery posturing and misconstrued texts are the only rebuttal your theology has to offer to the plain Scriptures.


Agreed. . .straw man.

Our spirits receive eternal life when we are born again (Jn 5:24), and our bodies receive immortality at the resurrection (1Co 15:42).


And nowhere! do you address the Scriptures presented above.

The emperor has no clothes. . .

As we near the end, there will be 2 distinct groups of People.

1. The group that keeps the Commandments of God & Faith of Jesus

2. The group that does not keep the Commandments of God, but does believe the dead are alive.

We know you believe the dead are alive. I'd bet you beleive the Commandments are void as well, and if not void, I'll bet you have no problem with the Sabbath being changed to sunday.

One of us is wrong. Dead wrong! The world will follow and believe you. Not me. You will have many to support you and tell you that you are correct. Few will believe me.

Even Atheists will believe you and those who teach as you do. Atheists are decieved now, and once demons make it appear as if the dead are alive and able to communicate with the living,, they too will believe in God. Atheists will fall for the decptions of Satan and attribute them to God.
Because they did not beleive the Truth, God will send strong delusion that they should beleive a lie. Same with you.....

 

[Elin]

As we near the end, there will be 2 distinct groups of People.

1. The group that keeps the Commandments of God & Faith of Jesus

2. The group that does not keep the Commandments of God, but does believe the dead are alive.

We know you believe the dead are alive. I'd bet you beleive the Commandments are void as well, and if not void, I'll bet you have no problem with the Sabbath being changed to sunday.

One of us is wrong. Dead wrong! The world will follow and believe you. Not me. You will have many to support you and tell you that you are correct. Few will believe me.

Even Atheists will believe you and those who teach as you do. Atheists are decieved now, and once demons make it appear as if the dead are alive and able to communicate with the living,, they too will believe in God. Atheists will fall for the decptions of Satan and attribute them to God.
Because they did not beleive the Truth, God will send strong delusion that they should beleive a lie. Same with you.....

I'm thinking I'm looking at them now.

 

[Michael50]

I'm thinking I'm looking at them now.

I see no reason to further speak. Believe as you desire.

 

[Laodicea]

Luke 8:55 KJV
(55) And her spirit came again, and she arose straightway: and he commanded to give her meat.
Luke 8:55 GW
(55) She came back to life and got up at once. He ordered her parents to give her something to eat.
Psalms 115:17 KJV
(17) The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.
Ecclesiastes 9:5 KJV
(5) For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

If Luke 8:55 is teaching the man has an immortal soul a consciousness after death then the Bible contradicts itself

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

I'm having a hard time believing that your blustery posturing and misconstruing of the texts here is not deliberate,
that you're not hoping thereby to confuse the issue, according to the old proverb:
"There is profit in confusion."

i think so too...

i am also noticing that many of the same people are pushing this same agenda with the same misinterpreted proof texts over and over... each time it gets shot down...they wait a couple of months...and then they are back with -exactly- the same agenda and proof texts as before... there is not even any attempt to refine their arguments...it is the same already debunked stuff almost verbatim...

i am starting to think this pattern is intentional and targeted not at those who know better but at new members who they hope are more easily fooled...it is a deliberate and premeditated attempt to deceive...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Luke 8:55 KJV
(55) And her spirit came again, and she arose straightway: and he commanded to give her meat.
Luke 8:55 GW
(55) She came back to life and got up at once. He ordered her parents to give her something to eat.
Psalms 115:17 KJV
(17) The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.
Ecclesiastes 9:5 KJV
(5) For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

If Luke 8:55 is teaching the man has an immortal soul a consciousness after death then the Bible contradicts itself

actually it just contradicts your mistaken interpretations of those other verses...