Where did the idea that the soul is immortal originate?
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1 Kings 2:10
(10) So David slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David.
1 Kings 11:43
(43) And Solomon slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David his father: and Rehoboam his son reigned in his stead.
1 Kings 14:31
(31) And Rehoboam slept with his fathers, and was buried with his fathers in the city of David. And his mother's name was Naamah an Ammonitess. And Abijam his son reigned in his stead.
1 Kings 15:8
(8) And Abijam slept with his fathers; and they buried him in the city of David: and Asa his son reigned in his stead.
1 Kings 16:28
(28) So Omri slept with his fathers, and was buried in Samaria: and Ahab his son reigned in his stead.
New Testament
John 11:11-14
(11) These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
(12) Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
(13) Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
(14) Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
Mark 5:35-39
(35) While he yet spake, there came from the ruler of the synagogue's house certain which said, Thy daughter is dead: why troublest thou the Master any further?
(36) As soon as Jesus heard the word that was spoken, he saith unto the ruler of the synagogue, Be not afraid, only believe.
(37) And he suffered no man to follow him, save Peter, and James, and John the brother of James.
(38) And he cometh to the house of the ruler of the synagogue, and seeth the tumult, and them that wept and wailed greatly.
(39) And when he was come in, he saith unto them, Why make ye this ado, and weep? the damsel is not dead, but sleepeth.
1 Corinthians 15:51
(51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
People will be woken when Jesus returns
Daniel 12:2
(2) And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
(10) So David slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David.
1 Kings 11:43
(43) And Solomon slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David his father: and Rehoboam his son reigned in his stead.
1 Kings 14:31
(31) And Rehoboam slept with his fathers, and was buried with his fathers in the city of David. And his mother's name was Naamah an Ammonitess. And Abijam his son reigned in his stead.
1 Kings 15:8
(8) And Abijam slept with his fathers; and they buried him in the city of David: and Asa his son reigned in his stead.
1 Kings 16:28
(28) So Omri slept with his fathers, and was buried in Samaria: and Ahab his son reigned in his stead.
New Testament
John 11:11-14
(11) These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
(12) Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
(13) Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
(14) Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
Mark 5:35-39
(35) While he yet spake, there came from the ruler of the synagogue's house certain which said, Thy daughter is dead: why troublest thou the Master any further?
(36) As soon as Jesus heard the word that was spoken, he saith unto the ruler of the synagogue, Be not afraid, only believe.
(37) And he suffered no man to follow him, save Peter, and James, and John the brother of James.
(38) And he cometh to the house of the ruler of the synagogue, and seeth the tumult, and them that wept and wailed greatly.
(39) And when he was come in, he saith unto them, Why make ye this ado, and weep? the damsel is not dead, but sleepeth.
1 Corinthians 15:51
(51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
People will be woken when Jesus returns
Daniel 12:2
(2) And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
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EGW plagiarized up to 80% of her work. She was even caught plagiarizing an entire book!. She not only copied the words but even copied the pictures in the book! The facts speak for themselves. I don't need to go to a websitght with a white was version of how she was
I know you are sincere in your beliefs and you are sincerely wrong about them. No person or organization is the sole pipeline to God. No one person or organization has a monopoly on God. We each must find Jesus---the true Jesus (not the many fake versions of Jesus) and follow him.
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So you are suggesting I look at Nazism, for example from the view of Hitler or I am ignorant?
Maybe I should study Islam or Satanism from their perspective so I can understand them better.
This is the kind of logic that says I need to become a cancer patient to understand cancer. I do not buy into that.
Maybe I should study Islam or Satanism from their perspective so I can understand them better.
This is the kind of logic that says I need to become a cancer patient to understand cancer. I do not buy into that.
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If God is able to destroy both body and soul, but man is only able to kill the body and not the soul...gives reason to wonder why only God is able to destroy the soul if the soul is bound to the same fate as the body.
I totally and completely agree with you. It's one of those thing that we'll never really know until we're dead.
Because their bodies are dead. We are separated from our bodies upon death, and will not be 'reunited' with them until the resurrection. We desire to be clothed with our heavenly body.
But we can't see everything that is going on...we only see the physical stuff. So, dead to us is dead, non-existent, gone but not forgotten. Paul says that to be physically dead is better then to be alive...why? how? because when we are absent from the body - which means that some part of us is able to be absent from the body, we are not wholly physical - we are present with the Lord. I don't think that is disputed, it is just in what capacity we will be present with Him that there tends to be disagreement.
Absolutely! And if I am ever unkind in what I write, feel free to let me know
I totally and completely agree with you. It's one of those thing that we'll never really know until we're dead.
Because their bodies are dead. We are separated from our bodies upon death, and will not be 'reunited' with them until the resurrection. We desire to be clothed with our heavenly body.
But we can't see everything that is going on...we only see the physical stuff. So, dead to us is dead, non-existent, gone but not forgotten. Paul says that to be physically dead is better then to be alive...why? how? because when we are absent from the body - which means that some part of us is able to be absent from the body, we are not wholly physical - we are present with the Lord. I don't think that is disputed, it is just in what capacity we will be present with Him that there tends to be disagreement.
Absolutely! And if I am ever unkind in what I write, feel free to let me know
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Oh...for those that do not believe that the soul leaves the body at death; can you please explain these verses from the book of Kings:
"Then he cried out to the Lord and said, 'O Lord my God, have you also brought tragedy to the widow with whom I lodge, by killing her son?' And he stretched himself out on the child three times, and cried out to the Lord and said, 'O Lord my God, I pray let this child's soul come back to him.' Then the Lord heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came back to him, and he revived." 1 Kings 17:20-22
"Then he cried out to the Lord and said, 'O Lord my God, have you also brought tragedy to the widow with whom I lodge, by killing her son?' And he stretched himself out on the child three times, and cried out to the Lord and said, 'O Lord my God, I pray let this child's soul come back to him.' Then the Lord heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came back to him, and he revived." 1 Kings 17:20-22
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Man has three parts.. spirit , soul and body. The body is the physical part, The soul is comprised of our mind, emotion and will. and the spirit is the deepest part. We were all born with a human spirit which is made to contain God.God as Spirit comes into our spirt when we are saved. It`s just like a glove and a hand. The "glove " is our human spirit and the "hand" is The Spirit.It is this mingled spirit that is eternal..
The following might seem out of context but there back before Christ there remained a Sabbathrest but they did not enter it Spiritually as we are to do today and this is by belief we are to enter into it or there will be no rest. Now if the ones that do not enter becasue of uunbelief and are burned up to nothing then in effect there is no torment,no unrest. Anyway read and ask God personally waht the scripture here means especially last verse
[h=3]Hebrews 4:1-11[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[h=3]A Sabbath-Rest for the People of God[/h]4 Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For we also have had the good news proclaimed to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,
“So I declared on oath in my anger,
‘They shall never enter my rest.’”
And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.” [SUP]5 [/SUP]And again in the passage above he says, “They shall never enter my rest.”
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, ( unbelief)[SUP]7 [/SUP]God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:
“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. [SUP]9 [/SUP]There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; [SUP]10 [/SUP]for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience. (unbelief)
And what about
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
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[h=3]Hebrews 4:1-11[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[h=3]A Sabbath-Rest for the People of God[/h]4 Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For we also have had the good news proclaimed to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,
“So I declared on oath in my anger,
‘They shall never enter my rest.’”
And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.” [SUP]5 [/SUP]And again in the passage above he says, “They shall never enter my rest.”
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, ( unbelief)[SUP]7 [/SUP]God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:
“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. [SUP]9 [/SUP]There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; [SUP]10 [/SUP]for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience. (unbelief)
And what about
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
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Well all truth to me does not come from the Bible, a great tool, But the bible does not set one free the truth of the word of the bible does and that would be God himself as one's teacher teaching the truth all in unison. For no man shall be your teacher, because I (God) will be
Who better to do the teaching God or man as there are so many today and if God does the teaching in us by his holy Ghost then
Ephesians 4:14Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming.
2 Peter 2:3
In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
So the only wayto rightly divide the word of truth is by God directly like what happened to Saul who became Paul and wass not taught by flesh and blood
Love you all regardless, Christ is my Lord and he said to his Lord now Father will you accept them if they beleive what I did for them
Yes my Son, I will and now have accepted you as those that believe in you as their Co-signer thus making them perfect as you are nad I (God the Father) shall give them the new life in my Spiirit to go out and boast about you being the only way, the only truth, and the salvation freely provided by what you did for them, that never could do it for themselves and now have put their trust in you to live through them not only in them
Who better to do the teaching God or man as there are so many today and if God does the teaching in us by his holy Ghost then
Ephesians 4:14Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming.
2 Peter 2:3
In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
So the only wayto rightly divide the word of truth is by God directly like what happened to Saul who became Paul and wass not taught by flesh and blood
Love you all regardless, Christ is my Lord and he said to his Lord now Father will you accept them if they beleive what I did for them
Yes my Son, I will and now have accepted you as those that believe in you as their Co-signer thus making them perfect as you are nad I (God the Father) shall give them the new life in my Spiirit to go out and boast about you being the only way, the only truth, and the salvation freely provided by what you did for them, that never could do it for themselves and now have put their trust in you to live through them not only in them
You've changed your mind about not speaking to me?
So I would not be a Bible rejector if I disagreed with you?
Okay, I disagree with your setting the Scriptures against themselves below, rather than understanding them in the light of Jesus' revelation (Heb 1:1-2) which is the NT.
Now, according to you, I am no longer a Bible rejector.
Not anymore. . .I just disagreed with you above, which removes me from your category of disapproval.
This isn't even logical.
Using human thinking to try to overturn the Scriptures again?
But you said the same when I agreed with you.
And you also said you wouldn't speak to me anymore.
Make up your mind.
So I would not be a Bible rejector if I disagreed with you?
Okay, I disagree with your setting the Scriptures against themselves below, rather than understanding them in the light of Jesus' revelation (Heb 1:1-2) which is the NT.
Now, according to you, I am no longer a Bible rejector.
Not anymore. . .I just disagreed with you above, which removes me from your category of disapproval.
This isn't even logical.
Using human thinking to try to overturn the Scriptures again?
But you said the same when I agreed with you.
And you also said you wouldn't speak to me anymore.
Make up your mind.
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Actually, we are to do just the opposite.
We are to saturate ourselves in the word of God, not other views.
Then when error appears, we autmoatically recognize it by its departure from the word of God which we know.
That's why the notion of man's spirit no longer existing is so obviously contra-Biblical to those who know the NT, in which light the OT is to be understood (Heb 1:1-2).
We are to saturate ourselves in the word of God, not other views.
Then when error appears, we autmoatically recognize it by its departure from the word of God which we know.
That's why the notion of man's spirit no longer existing is so obviously contra-Biblical to those who know the NT, in which light the OT is to be understood (Heb 1:1-2).
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It's obvious to me that you are a Rejector of Truth. Again,, you have rejected all the scripture that I laid before you. Each and every one. And YOU inserted the word "immortal".
Elin, I give you Genesis 3:22-24.
"Then the Lord God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever" -
Therefore the Lord God sent him out of the garden of Eden to til the ground from which he was taken.
So, He drove out the man; and He placed Cherubim at the east of the Garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life."
You disagree with God. But you do agree with Satan and his lie: "Ye shall not surely die." That is clear.
You are a Bible rejector, there is no doubt about it. Many will teach false doctrine. The Bible warns of it. So Elin,, Like I said, The world will follow you and support you. You will feel good because so many are behind you and support you and uphold you. God will send strong delusion to those who have constantly rejected the Truth despite His many attempts.
I advise you to start your own Thread. Ought to be interesting.
Elin, I give you Genesis 3:22-24.
"Then the Lord God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever" -
Therefore the Lord God sent him out of the garden of Eden to til the ground from which he was taken.
So, He drove out the man; and He placed Cherubim at the east of the Garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life."
You disagree with God. But you do agree with Satan and his lie: "Ye shall not surely die." That is clear.
You are a Bible rejector, there is no doubt about it. Many will teach false doctrine. The Bible warns of it. So Elin,, Like I said, The world will follow you and support you. You will feel good because so many are behind you and support you and uphold you. God will send strong delusion to those who have constantly rejected the Truth despite His many attempts.
I advise you to start your own Thread. Ought to be interesting.