Where did the idea that the soul is immortal originate?
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So did Jesus have a soul? He obviously had a spirit because He commended it to God when He died on the cross. So where'd His soul go? Don't tell me it descended into hades where He talked to the dead, cause I don't buy it. 
Sometimes man is referred to as body and soul (Mt 6:25, 10:28, etc.), and other times as body and spirit (Lk 8:55, 1Co 5:3, etc.).
Sometimes the emotions are associated with the soul (Mt 26:38), and other times with the spirit (Jn 13:21).
Biblically, it seems the best we can do is:
body (soma) and spirit (pneuma) may be separated (at death),
but spirit (pneuma) and soul (psuche) can only be distinguished.
Question: If the dead are asleep, how could the Witch of Endor bring the prophet Samuel back from the dead to speak to King Saul?
Answer:
There are a few facts to observe about this story.
1. Throughout the Old Testament we see that God clearly commands that all spiritualists be driven out of the land of Israel and put to death. The word of God unmasks all spirtualism as demonic, satanic forces. (See Dueteronomy 18:10-15 & Isaiah 47:13,14)
2. Saul had already rejected the prophet Samuels counsel He even asked God and recieved no answer (1 Samuel 28:6) Saul went to the witch because God gave him no answer. What Saul saw was not Samuel. Notice that the Bible says the Witch saw "gods ascending out of the earth" (verse 13). and Saul "percieved" he saw Samuel. (1 Samuel 28:14) Keep in mind that according to (Eccle 9:5) the dead don't know anything. Satan masqerades as the form of dead loved imitating both their forms and their voices. (Rev 16:14)
3. The result of Sauls visit to the Witch of Endor was not repentence or confession of sin. It was the fruit of despair, discouragement and death! (1 samuel 28:16,20,21, 31:3,4,9,10) Decieved by Satan, he surrendered his soul to demons.
"A man also or a woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a Wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones." Leviticus 20:27
God insisted that wizards and others with "familiar spirits" (who claim to be able to contact the dead) should be stoned! Doesn't this show how God regards the false teaching that the dead are alive????????
A witch raised the spirit of Samuel? From where does a witch get her power from? God or satan? Saul went to God,, God said nothing! So Saul went to a Witch and Satan was ready to supply an answer!
Do you mean to tell me that we can go around God, conjer up dead people and get an answer from them, thru a witch, when God doesn't answer us???? Really?
Surely you can see the deciet and deception that is going on, Even in the end it continues, Rev 16:14.
Do you mean to tell me that we can go around God, conjer up dead people and get an answer from them, thru a witch, when God doesn't answer us???? Really?
Surely you can see the deciet and deception that is going on, Even in the end it continues, Rev 16:14.
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I never said we should consult psychics, mediums, witches, sorcerers, satanists, or any other facet of the occult. I never said the medium conjured up the spirit of Samuel.
What I think happened in this passage is that God brought up the real Samuel to pronounce judgement on Saul. Some claim this was not Samuel but was a demon pretending to be samuel but the text does not say this. This is not an endorsement of spiritism (something I know about).
Look at the witches reaction as she sees Samuel. "When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman said to Saul, 'Why have you deceived me? You are Saul.'" She clearly is scared and surprised. This suggests that something unexpected happened. I believe this was God bring up Samuel.
Below is a link that goes into more depth and describes my point of view better on this odd story.
Did the witch of Endor really summon Samuel from the dead (1 Samuel 28:7-20)?
What I think happened in this passage is that God brought up the real Samuel to pronounce judgement on Saul. Some claim this was not Samuel but was a demon pretending to be samuel but the text does not say this. This is not an endorsement of spiritism (something I know about).
Look at the witches reaction as she sees Samuel. "When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman said to Saul, 'Why have you deceived me? You are Saul.'" She clearly is scared and surprised. This suggests that something unexpected happened. I believe this was God bring up Samuel.
Below is a link that goes into more depth and describes my point of view better on this odd story.
Did the witch of Endor really summon Samuel from the dead (1 Samuel 28:7-20)?
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I read through your claims about 7th day adventists and Ellen White. They are all blatant lies. This is slander, for you to post these lies on a Christian site. I know absolutely for sure these are all lies. You should be ashamed of yourself. Either you made these up yourself, or you took them from some site you never checked out the accuracy. I can't believe what people will stoop to to support their point. Liars and slanderers answer to God. Slander is equated with murder in the Bible. You should remember that.
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It is very easy to make an accusation but proving it is another thing. Laodicea also claimed I lied or slandered and yet when I asked him for proof the only thing he posted that I had said was false was that I said Ellen White was the founder of SDA and she was actually the co-founder.
So now you also accuse me of lying. Please post some examples of my lies/slander. If you can show that I posted false info, I will immediately post an apology.
Based on this:
"The living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anything, have they anymore a reward. For the memory of them is forgotten. Also there love, hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they anymore a portion in anything done under the sun."
"There is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave whither thou goest." Eccl 9:5,6
"So man lieth down and riseth not, til the heavens be no more, they shall not awake nor be raised out of their sleep." Job 14:12
"His spirit departs, he returns to his earth. In that very day his thoughts perish." Psalm 146:4
I don't believe a witch nor Satan can raise the dead. I don't believe A witch or satan can speak with the dead.
I don't believe that Samuel would ask this question if he was raised from the dead. "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" Is that somthing that dead people say when they are raised from the dead??? Would you say that?
Based on the above scriptures, I see a significant contradiction. If Samuel was already dead,, the dead know nothing,, nor would samuel ( i think it was a demon) have any knowledge of time passed or of events to occur. He died, his thoughts perished, and he had no conception of how much time had passed since his death... Lot of red flags there!
Also keep in mind,, Samuel NEVER appears to Saul. Only to the Witch!
At any rate,, truly an amazing story.
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Well if it was not Samuel then we have a demon prophesying over Saul. However, the text does not say a demon came looking like Samual. It says "When the woman saw Samuel," and "When the woman saw Samuel,"... "And Samuel said...".
In each case Samuel is identified. The bible never suggests in the slightest it was something other than Samuel.
You also post some Old Testament verses which you claim prove spirits do not exists. If that is true please explain to me the following two verses.
1)2Cor. 5:8 We are confident, [I say], and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
a) What does "absent from the body" mean?
b) How can one be absent from the body and present with the Lord?
2)Phil. 1:21 For to me to live [is] Christ, and to die [is] gain.
a)How can death be gain if we do not exist past death?
I believe that in 2 Cor. 5:1-11, Paul is comparing the earthly body that is subject to disease, sickness, and death, to that of the Glorious, Eternal, Immortal body that God bestows on us at His 2nd Coming. Read from the beginning of ch. 5.. Paul starts by talking about our earthly homes "tents" being destroyed, with "buildings from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens."
So from homes and buildings in heaven, to earthly flesh and Gloorious Eternal Immortal bodies. Paul longs for that to happen, and he says it will at the 2nd coming of Christ, 2 timothy 4:6-8
I apply the same thoughts towards phil 1:21
So from homes and buildings in heaven, to earthly flesh and Gloorious Eternal Immortal bodies. Paul longs for that to happen, and he says it will at the 2nd coming of Christ, 2 timothy 4:6-8
I apply the same thoughts towards phil 1:21
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I dont see anything that would suggest a comparison. It says absent from the body = present with the Lord.
Here are my questions:
1)2Cor. 5:8 We are confident, [I say], and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
a) What does "absent from the body" mean?
b) How can one be absent from the body and present with the Lord?
2)Phil. 1:21 For to me to live [is] Christ, and to die [is] gain.
a)How can death be gain if we do not exist past death?
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from a physical, human perspective, the dead do not know anything, why? because the dead are dead as far as we are concerned. they have no more reward here on earth, under the sun. the memory of them is forgotten, here on earth, under the sun. their love, hatred, and envy has perished and they have no portion anymore of anything done under the sun.
under the sun...
as far as the body goes...the body sleeps at death.
his thoughts and plans of what he was going to do on earth, perish, because he is dead and unable to accomplish any of those things anymore. also interesting to note that the spirit departs at physical death. it leaves the body....
under the sun...
as far as the body goes...the body sleeps at death.
his thoughts and plans of what he was going to do on earth, perish, because he is dead and unable to accomplish any of those things anymore. also interesting to note that the spirit departs at physical death. it leaves the body....