Where did the idea that the soul is immortal originate?

[Shiloah]

What I don't get is, even if this was actually Samuel, he still came up out of the ground. He still asked "why do you disturb my sleep?'' And then he turns around and tell Saul that he and his sons would be with Samuel tomorrow. Well we would still have to address the exact same problem with this interpretation, that it was actually Samuel that was speaking here. As stated before, according to the Lazarus story, Saul and his sons would not be in the bosom of Abraham with Samuel after dying the next day, or at least Saul wouldn't, because Samuel (if you believe this is Samuel) just stated that Saul was an enemy of God. So what's the problem with these scriptures? They clearly contradict other scriptures if this was Saul, or else the Lazarus story was indeed a parable and the dead go to the same place when they die. I can buy that God might have brought this spirit up to talk to Saul... I guess... if God wanted to, He obviously could have done that. But again, this scripture contradicts other scriptures if you believe God's prophets went to one place and God's enemies went to another after death.

 

[Shiloah]

Hey kids! lets play twister!
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It is fun and easy! Just twist what others say so it sounds real dumb!!! WOW, anyone can do it!!!

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That's your comeback? I'm not a 7th day adventist and I know little about them, but hey... I think I'm going to get to know these people, because they're reasoning as far as I've seen must be entirely rational, whereas all I've seen in your arguments is that you call them a cult. Your opinions are not based on working through scriptures to determine what the truth is; and when you run out of scripturally based amo, you just pull out the -- you guys are a cult! card. And oh gosh, that's so convincing. It proves to me how close minded you are, and also that your arguments are based on logical fallacies, such as resorting to name calling a denomination. No matter who or what 7th day Adventists are, it's the argument based on scriptures we addressing and that alone.

You're so childish with you comebacks such as this, you lose all credibility just by doing that.

 

[danschance]

What I don't get is, even if this was actually Samuel, he still came up out of the ground. He still asked "why do you disturb my sleep?'' And then he turns around and tell Saul that he and his sons would be with Samuel tomorrow. Well we would still have to address the exact same problem with this interpretation, that it was actually Samuel that was speaking here. As stated before, according to the Lazarus story, Saul and his sons would not be in the bosom of Abraham with Samuel after dying the next day, or at least Saul wouldn't, because Samuel (if you believe this is Samuel) just stated that Saul was an enemy of God. So what's the problem with these scriptures? They clearly contradict other scriptures if this was Saul, or else the Lazarus story was indeed a parable and the dead go to the same place when they die. I can buy that God might have brought this spirit up to talk to Saul... I guess... if God wanted to, He obviously could have done that. But again, this scripture contradicts other scriptures if you believe God's prophets went to one place and God's enemies went to another after death.

I checked with numerous bible versions and not one of them says Samuel said he was woken up. All the ones I read said disquiet or disturb. Which bible version do you have that says sleep?

Here is the hebrew word used by Samuel in 1 Samuel 28:15

1) tremble, quake, rage, quiver, be agitated, be excited, be perturbed
a) (Qal) to quake, be disquieted, be excited, be perturbed
b) (Hiphil) to cause to quake, disquiet, enrage, disturb
c) (Hithpael) to excite oneself


In the king James that word through out the O.T. has been translated as:
Tremble - 12 times
Move - 7 times
Rage - 5 times
Shake - 3 times
Disquiet - 3 times
Troubled - 3 times
Quake - 2 times
Afraid - 1 time

Not once has that word ever been translated as sleep in the King James.

 

[danschance]

That's your comeback? I'm not a 7th day adventist and I know little about them, but hey... I think I'm going to get to know these people, because they're reasoning as far as I've seen must be entirely rational, whereas all I've seen in your arguments is that you call them a cult. Your opinions are not based on working through scriptures to determine what the truth is; and when you run out of scripturally based amo, you just pull out the -- you guys are a cult! card. And oh gosh, that's so convincing. It proves to me how close minded you are, and also that your arguments are based on logical fallacies, such as resorting to name calling a denomination. No matter who or what 7th day Adventists are, it's the argument based on scriptures we addressing and that alone.

You're so childish with you comebacks such as this, you lose all credibility just by doing that.

Now this hurts my feelings. Micheal50 said similar sarcastic things but when I do it, you call me names. That means two things. One you are playing favorites and two, you are thinking with your heart and not your head, so to speak. Like my dad always said, what is good for the goose, is also good for the gander.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hear ye! hear ye! May all know that Eternally-gratefull believes King Saul, the enemy of God, is with Samuel in Paradise awaiting his Crown of Righteousness!!!!! Cause Samuel said,,, "Tomorrow you and your sons will be with me."

Paradise eh? King Saul is in paradise awaiting to hear the words,, "Well done good and faithful servant, enter into the Joy of the Lord." lololol


I rest my case,,, any questions, refer to post # 472.... Your Post # 471 is all telling,,, You without doubt have placed King Saul in paradise,, awaiting His Crown of righteousness..... lol What a day!

Here ye Here ye (I thought shiloah said you were not mocking?? Guess she was wrong, I bet she liked this post too. which is sad, considering again, She claimed no one was mocking anyone. )

Mikey here believes demons can predict the future accurately. The God can speak through deomons and they will do his will. And that the author. Who himself in his own words, called the spirit samuel. was a liar. Heck I guess we might as well throw the whole book of scripture out. If this author can lie, how can we trust anything?

Thanks. Believe what you wish.

As for Saul and his eternity? No one can judge this. Unless of course you think you are God..

If he was ever saved, he was still saved, although he will be the least in the kingdom

If he was never saved, He was still with Samuel. Only they were separated by a gulf. But you do not beliefe Jesus either when he tells us things..

So.. Have it your way, believe what you want.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You obviously need to go and read through all the translations. Only one suggests that the writer calls the figure Samuel. All the others say what Saul says when he addresses Samuel because he believes it's Samuel.

lol. no all I have to do is look at the origional. Try picking up a copy of logos bible software, It is very expensive, But gives you the origional text. All kinds of greek-english hebrew-english dictionaries and lexicons. And all the major bibles. plus a numerous amount of commentaries.

Here is what the different versions say.


The New King James Version. 1982 (1 Sa 28:15). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

15 Now Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up

New American Standard Bible: 1995 update. 1995 (1 Sa 28:15). LaHabra, CA: The Lockman Foundation.
Then Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?

New American Standard Bible: 1995 update. 1995 (1 Sa 28:15). LaHabra, CA: The Lockman Foundation.

1 Samuel 28:15 (NIV84)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?”



1 Samuel 28:15 (NIV84) [SUP]15 [/SUP]Samuel said to Saul,


1 Samuel 28:15 (KJV 1900) [SUP]15[/SUP] And Samuel said to Saul,

Interesting. they all say the same thing, Samuel said to saul.. NONE of them say Saul said that samuel said to him.. So what are you talking about??

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Oh my goodness. That's true. Even if Samuel came out of Abraham's bosom, Saul would be in hell by these people's standards; he would not have been with Samuel!! Yeah! Okay then.

lol.. Wow.. Who made you judge and executioner? do you know for a fact saul was never saved?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What I don't get is, even if this was actually Samuel, he still came up out of the ground. He still asked "why do you disturb my sleep?'' And then he turns around and tell Saul that he and his sons would be with Samuel tomorrow. Well we would still have to address the exact same problem with this interpretation, that it was actually Samuel that was speaking here. As stated before, according to the Lazarus story, Saul and his sons would not be in the bosom of Abraham with Samuel after dying the next day, or at least Saul wouldn't, because Samuel (if you believe this is Samuel) just stated that Saul was an enemy of God. So what's the problem with these scriptures? They clearly contradict other scriptures if this was Saul, or else the Lazarus story was indeed a parable and the dead go to the same place when they die. I can buy that God might have brought this spirit up to talk to Saul... I guess... if God wanted to, He obviously could have done that. But again, this scripture contradicts other scriptures if you believe God's prophets went to one place and God's enemies went to another after death.

this is only true

1. If you believe saul was saved and lost his salvation (he was filled with the holy spirit once, thus he had to have been saved (mikey here believes one can lose salvation, You stated they can not.. so I would assume you do not believe this)
2. You think he was never saved to begin with.
3. If he was not saved, That there was no gulf between hades and paradise. But they were literally two different places. The rich man could speak to abraham could he not??

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That's your comeback? I'm not a 7th day adventist and I know little about them, but hey... I think I'm going to get to know these people, because they're reasoning as far as I've seen must be entirely rational, whereas all I've seen in your arguments is that you call them a cult. Your opinions are not based on working through scriptures to determine what the truth is; and when you run out of scripturally based amo, you just pull out the -- you guys are a cult! card. And oh gosh, that's so convincing. It proves to me how close minded you are, and also that your arguments are based on logical fallacies, such as resorting to name calling a denomination. No matter who or what 7th day Adventists are, it's the argument based on scriptures we addressing and that alone.

You're so childish with you comebacks such as this, you lose all credibility just by doing that.

He was talking to mikey, He was returning mikeys sarcasm..

 

[Michael50]

Now this hurts my feelings. Micheal50 said similar sarcastic things but when I do it, you call me names. That means two things. One you are playing favorites and two, you are thinking with your heart and not your head, so to speak. Like my dad always said, what is good for the goose, is also good for the gander.

Danschance,,,,

You told me Samuel was in Abrahams Bosom!!!!!! Just like your pal Eternally Grateful,, you both stepped right in doo-doo when you made those silly untrue statements.

I bring your attention to Post # 112 in the thread Titled; Did the medium bring up samuel..." I corrected you the same way I did Eternally-grateful. Only you disappeared, and never returned to that thread. Go visit it and see!

And today you come back here with a new doctrine, that sheol and abrahams bosom are connected,,,lol,,, your doctrine evolves like the soap opera "the days of our Lives". lol,,, You too, had ol Saul, sittin with Abraham and Samuel and the theif on the cross in Paradise, waiting for a Crown of Rightousness!!!! lol

You said it,,, admit it,,,, Eternally grateful said it,, and he should admit and live by it,,, according to you both Saul, the enenmy of God, awaits Salvation!

You've sat and knocked SDAs up one side and down the other.. You made statements about Gods Prophet that you surely will pay for unless you repent! You have claimed Ellen white is retarded... Yet, I can give you a small list of the words she has used and you would be baffled as to what they mean!

You and eternally grateful are in error. I have showed you your error. You reject the truth for your ever evolving doctrine.

Believe what you want.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Danschance,,,,

You told me Samuel was in Abrahams Bosom!!!!!! Just like your pal Eternally Grateful,, you both stepped right in doo-doo when you made those silly untrue statements.

I bring your attention to Post # 112 in the thread Titled; Did the medium bring up samuel..." I corrected you the same way I did Eternally-grateful. Only you disappeared, and never returned to that thread. Go visit it and see!

And today you come back here with a new doctrine, that sheol and abrahams bosom are connected,,,lol,,, your doctrine evolves like the soap opera "the days of our Lives". lol,,, You too, had ol Saul, sittin with Abraham and Samuel and the theif on the cross in Paradise, waiting for a Crown of Rightousness!!!! lol

You said it,,, admit it,,,, Eternally grateful said it,, and he should admit and live by it,,, according to you both Saul, the enenmy of God, awaits Salvation!

You've sat and knocked SDAs up one side and down the other.. You made statements about Gods Prophet that you surely will pay for unless you repent! You have claimed Ellen white is retarded... Yet, I can give you a small list of the words she has used and you would be baffled as to what they mean!

You and eternally grateful are in error. I have showed you your error. You reject the truth for your ever evolving doctrine.

Believe what you want.

there you go twisting again.

I said samual was in paradise.

I never stated where I thought saul went. Samuel said Saul would be with him. I did not..Your argument again is with samual (and God because God inspired the word) not us. Your calling God a liar.

stop your continual bearing false witness against others. and calling God a liar. As an sda you should be afraid of continually breaking one of the ten commandments. your eternity is at stake!

 

[Michael50]

there you go twisting again.

I said samual was in paradise.

I never stated where I thought saul went. Samuel said Saul would be with him. I did not..Your argument again is with samual (and God because God inspired the word) not us. Your calling God a liar.

stop your continual bearing false witness against others. and calling God a liar. As an sda you should be afraid of continually breaking one of the ten commandments. your eternity is at stake!

Paradise, Abrahams bosom,,, spirit world, dream land,, whatever,, you claimed Samuel is in Paradise,,, The scripture had the demon that represented Samuel telling Saul that he would be with him (samuel) the next day, "tomorrow".

Now, if you believe the stupid nonsense you attempted to sell earlier,, that means that Saul is with samuel!

I have told you repeatedly that a demon was masquerading as samuel,,, you think otherwise!!!!

And if you think otherwise,, then it stands to reason that you also beleive Saul is in Paradise or Abrahams bosom or some other made-up place awaiting his Crown just like the rest of the saved,,, lol,, the dead are in the grave, but,, whatever.

You said it,,, the site has recorded you doing it,,, and alll can see it!!!!

As far as whether its' paradise or abrahams Bosom,,,, you and danschance will have to hash that out.....I say they are both dead in teh ground and know nothing....


Satan cannot decieve me thru the agency of the dead,,, But he sure can with you and danschance... because you both believe the dead are alive.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

#1 - Why would God use what he considers an abomination for prophecy to Saul? That in itself would go against God's nature.
Leviticus 19:31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them; I am the LORD your God.
Deut. 18:10-12a There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: . . .

Saul had put away those that had familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land. He enquired of the LORD, the LORD answered him not. He then disquised himself so the people would not know that he was going to see a woman with a familiar spirit. (Wonder he thought he hid from God also? - just a thought.)

The woman of Endor had a familiar spirit.

As Easton's Bible Dictionary says, the practice involved sorcerers, mediums or necromancers, who professed to call up the dead to answer questions. These individuals were said to have a “familiar spirit” of another dead person.
In actual fact the different voice that came out of a person claiming to call the dead was not that of a dead person but that of a demon spirit. Any apparition was also the work of demons. A demon spirit can fake the voice or image of a dead person. That is why God strictly forbade this heathen practice among the Israelites (Leviticus 19:31). The consequences God said would result in defilement and excommunication from the community (Leviticus 20:6, Deuteronomy 18:10-13). The one acting as a vessel or medium for a familiar spirit to talk through was to be stoned to death (Leviticus 20:27). That was the heavy hand of the law in the Old Testament (Old Covenant).Saul, the first king of Israel tried it (1 Samuel 28v3-25). He went to a sorcerer to call up dead prophet Samuel for some urgent advice. Sure enough Samuel appeared, though it was a demon spirit. This finalized Saul’s fate. He was cut off from Israel as the Philistines came against Israel with many casualties, including Saul and his sons. He actually requested to be struck dead after being severely wounded. He and his sons’ bodies were later burned by their enemies (1 Samuel 31). Not a good ending for a person with such royalty and anointing as king.

Wouldn't the "familiar spirit" KNOW that because Saul consulted it. . .that he sealed his own fate? He disobeyed God by doing what he did. Wouldn't the "familiar spirit" then be able to prophecy to Saul what his fate would be? And being "familiar" with Samuel. . . .it knew exactly what Samuel would say to Saul. We see throughout 1 Samuel how Saul disobeyed God. . quite frequently. He knew David had the spirit of God upon him and set out to kill him because of that. Does that sound like a man of God?

For the Spirit of God to be speaking through the woman with the "familiar spirit" would be totally outside of God's character.

1 Chronicles 10:13 So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD, even against the word of the LORD, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it; . . . .

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Paradise, Abrahams bosom,,, spirit world, dream land,, whatever,, you claimed Samuel is in Paradise,,, The scripture had the demon that represented Samuel telling Saul that he would be with him (samuel) the next day, "tomorrow".

Now, if you believe the stupid nonsense you attempted to sell earlier,, that means that Saul is with samuel!

I have told you repeatedly that a demon was masquerading as samuel,,, you think otherwise!!!!

And if you think otherwise,, then it stands to reason that you also beleive Saul is in Paradise or Abrahams bosom or some other made-up place awaiting his Crown just like the rest of the saved,,, lol,, the dead are in the grave, but,, whatever.

You said it,,, the site has recorded you doing it,,, and alll can see it!!!!

As far as whether its' paradise or abrahams Bosom,,,, you and danschance will have to hash that out.....I say they are both dead in teh ground and know nothing....


Satan cannot decieve me thru the agency of the dead,,, But he sure can with you and danschance... because you both believe the dead are alive.

`1. The origional author of 1 samuel, Inspired by God. Claimed Samual said (he was giving an eyewitness (through inspiration of god) account of what happened.

2. According to you the author lied.

Forgive me if I trust God and his inspired word, and not you.

Your argument is with him, Not me.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

#1 - Why would God use what he considers an abomination for prophecy to Saul? That in itself would go against God's nature.
Leviticus 19:31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them; I am the LORD your God.
Deut. 18:10-12a There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: . . .

Saul had put away those that had familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land. He enquired of the LORD, the LORD answered him not. He then disquised himself so the people would not know that he was going to see a woman with a familiar spirit. (Wonder he thought he hid from God also? - just a thought.)

1. God knew what Saul was doing
2. God could have easily used this to further his plan.
3. The author called him Samuel. Forgive me if I trust the author.
4. God spoke through an donkey,.thus He can speak through a living, but physicaly dead person if he wants.

Wouldn't the "familiar spirit" KNOW that because Saul consulted it. . .that he sealed his own fate? He disobeyed God by doing what he did. Wouldn't the "familiar spirit" then be able to prophecy to Saul what his fate would be? And being "familiar" with Samuel. . . .it knew exactly what Samuel would say to Saul. We see throughout 1 Samuel how Saul disobeyed God. . quite frequently. He knew David had the spirit of God upon him and set out to kill him because of that. Does that sound like a man of God?

For the Spirit of God to be speaking through the woman with the "familiar spirit" would be totally outside of God's character.

1 Chronicles 10:13 So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD, even against the word of the LORD, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it; . . . .

1. Saul did not die because he sought a familiar spirit. Saul died because, as samuel said.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Then Samuel said: “So why do you ask me, seeing the Lord has departed from you and has become your enemy? [SUP]17 [/SUP]And the Lord has done for Himself[SUP][b][/SUP] as He spoke by me. For the Lord has torn the kingdom out of your hand and given it to your neighbor, David. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Because you did not obey the voice of the Lord nor execute His fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore the Lord has done this thing to you this day. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Moreover the Lord will also deliver Israel with you into the hand of the Philistines. And tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. The Lord will also deliver the army of Israel into the hand of the Philistines.”


The spirit, or demon, or whatever you call it. may have known Saul would end, but he could not have prophesied it would be the next day, ONLY GOD could know this.

Nor could he have possibly known who all would die, and that the philistines would defeat isreal the next day. Only God could know this.

4 prophesies were given 4 came literally true. No demon could possibly do this. Only GOD CAN DO THIS.

so either it was God talking, or it was, as the author of the book said, Samual speaking for God.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

1. God knew what Saul was doing
2. God could have easily used this to further his plan.
3. The author called him Samuel. Forgive me if I trust the author.
4. God spoke through an donkey,.thus He can speak through a living, but physicaly dead person if he wants.

1. Saul did not die because he sought a familiar spirit. Saul died because, as samuel said.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Then Samuel said: “So why do you ask me, seeing the Lord has departed from you and has become your enemy? [SUP]17 [/SUP]And the Lord has done for Himself[SUP][b][/SUP] as He spoke by me. For the Lord has torn the kingdom out of your hand and given it to your neighbor, David. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Because you did not obey the voice of the Lord nor execute His fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore the Lord has done this thing to you this day. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Moreover the Lord will also deliver Israel with you into the hand of the Philistines. And tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. The Lord will also deliver the army of Israel into the hand of the Philistines.”

The spirit, or demon, or whatever you call it. may have known Saul would end, but he could not have prophesied it would be the next day, ONLY GOD could know this.

Nor could he have possibly known who all would die, and that the philistines would defeat isreal the next day. Only God could know this.

4 prophesies were given 4 came literally true. No demon could possibly do this. Only GOD CAN DO THIS.

so either it was God talking, or it was, as the author of the book said, Samual speaking for God.

Hey eternally-grateful. . .God bless.

Samuel was dead. Ecc. 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. . .Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

Satan is the god of this world and he knows a lot more than what people give him credit. . . I do not see God as working through a woman with familiar spirits as He thinks it is an abomination. . . .the Spirit of God would not work through something that He considers an abomination. Could be just my opinion. . .but it's what I believe.

Haven't seen you in a while. . . .God's peace and blessings to you.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hey eternally-grateful. . .God bless.

Samuel was dead. Ecc. 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. . .Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

As far as life on this earth and learning goes. this is correct.

Satan is the god of this world and he knows a lot more than what people give him credit. . . I do not see God as working through a woman with familiar spirits as He thinks it is an abomination. . . .the Spirit of God would not work through something that He considers an abomination. Could be just my opinion. . .but it's what I believe.

Haven't seen you in a while. . . .God's peace and blessings to you.

Yes, I know. But as I showed earlier. even the women was amazed. It scared the crap out of her seeing something.

She was probably a fake. Never really saw anything (like todays) and when she saw something real, she freaked.

And as I said, The author who was writing the testimony of what occured. said it was Samuel.

just showing why I disagree, not trying to argue..lol

Nice to see you too. How you been??

 

[DiscipleDave]

Greetings,, I have a scripture for you to read, and then i have one question for now:

"Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air....."

Why do we meet the Lord "in the air"? If He is coming to live on this earth for the 1000 year reign,, why are the saved, both the Righteous dead and the Righteous living going to rise up into the clouds and meet the Lord "in the air"?

Please note, that it does not say what most people believe. It does not say "Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and then go to Heaven.... " This verse plainly tells us were we will MEET the Lord, not where we will reside with the Lord, We indeed will meet the Lord in the clouds, which is in our atmosphere. When Jesus returns He will not step foot on the Earth at the time of His Coming, We will leave the Earth to meet Him in the Atmosphere, it the sky, in the clouds. That verse is no way descibes where we will reside, where we will live with Jesus Christ.

I Thess 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Notice it says we will be caught up with them in the clouds, NOT in Heaven. At that time we Meet the Lord, and we Meet in the sky. And from then on we shall forever be with the Lord, not forever in the clouds, forever with Him, where ever He may be dwelling, either in the New City Jerusalem, or in Heaven, we will be able to be with Him forever.

Also another thing is the New City Jerusalem will be in the Air. There are prophesies which describe people living under that city, and that water which causes rivers come out from the New City as well. However it will not be floating, it will rest on four mountains on each of the corners of the City.

^i^

 

[DiscipleDave]

It was wired into you to want to live forever. Because you are.

Sorry, but i disagree, to say it was wired into us, is to assume that it had a start, that something wired us to think that way. The Truth is the Spirit that is in us, in indeed immortal, it is that spirit that causes us to want to live forever, because that spirit will live forever, and it is trapped in our bodies, until Judgement Day, where it will be determined where that spirit will reside for all eternity, either in the presence of Love, because they LOVED ONE ANOTHER, or expelled from the presence of LOVE because they failed to LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

^i^

 

[DiscipleDave]

Flesh + Spirit = Soul

Flesh without the Spirit is dead, a dead person.
a Soul consists of Flesh and the Spirit that makes that flesh alive, that is a Soul.

^i^