Which laws are and are not valid?

[Elin]

"Run, Forest, run!"

So the revelation Paul received from Jesus Christ was simply regarding "problems of various assemblies," and was not God's will for the whole church.

Sorry. . .Paul is very clear that God's creation order established for his people--woman having no teaching authority over men in the church (1Tim 2:11-14)--is for all the assemblies, not just "various assemblies."

Sorry. . .Paul is very clear that he received his revelation personally from Jesus Christ--
caught up to the third heaven into Paradise and
hearing words unspeakable, which man is not permitted to tell,
given revelations so glorious and surpassingly great that to keep him from being exalted by them,
God gave him a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to buffet him, to keep him humble.

So let me give you a warning regarding setting aside any of the word of God written in Paul's revelations from Jesus Christ.

You are setting yourself above the holy word of God. . .you judge its truth. . .and you find
God's holy NT word wanting/lacking.

Rather than letting the holy word of God judge you, you judge the holy word of God.

LET ME WARN YOU with the words of Jesus himself.

"Your own (unbelieving) words will condemn you." (Mt 12:37)
because they reveal your unbelief of the NT holy word of God (in 1Tim 2:11-14).

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven,
but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

[The NT word of God reveals that the will of the Father for the new covenant (Lk 22:20)
is the law of Christ (Mt 22:37-40; Gal 6:2) which is the law of God (1Co 9:21).
It is not the Mosaic regulations.]

Many will say to me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles
(as well as our women "preaching the word in a most powerful manner")?'
Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you who act wickedly--disregarding my commands (the NT word written at 1Tim 2:11-14).' "
(Mt 7:22-23)

I think you have demonstrated well that what you think is simply unbelief of the NT word of God in 1Tim 2:11-14,
and such thinking is not to be admitted into the fellowship of Jesus Christ.

And I know that the Spirit and the Life are in the NT words of God written
(Jn 6:63).
But I have no authority for knowing they are in anyone's personal impressions.

I cannot respond if your reply has already changed the meaning of what I have posted.

The record speaks for itself.

It may not be what you intended to mean, but you judging the truth of God's NT holy word,
rather than letting God's NT holy word judge the truth of you, is what your setting aside part of
God's NT holy word (1Tim 2:11-14) does mean, nonetheless.

I did specify exampols.

Yes, and your misunderstanding and setting aside of 1Tim 2:11-14 was explained to you,
showing that the text is grounded in God's creation order, and not in some temporary "cultural" expedient.

It is moot to have any exchange in dialogue when this is occurring. God bless you. I belong to Jesus Christ. first and foremost, as do all who have come to Him in spirit and truth. I like to believe you do also.

To come to him in spirit and truth must include coming to
the Spirit and the Life which are the word of God written (Jn 6:63)
for they are the only authority for what is "in spirit and truth".

The warning was intended to give you a smile.

It was confusing. . .

It is my manner of underscoring, how you blitz folks,

The "blitz" (here) was only one post in response to you,
as this post, likewise, is in response to the only post I sent you, above.

So it's not surprising that, in response to inadequate understanding of the Spirit and the Life
of the NT word of God written (Jn 6:63), a thorough presentation of it would seem a "blitz."

You are much too intelligent to be engaging in such mish-mash of God's NT word written.

Please. . .submit yourself to the study of the NT word of God written,
that your impressions may be correctly formed.

and me when I have been up all day ready to hit the hay. I thought you would understnd that. . .

Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

And yet. . .we are told
to judge the spirits (1Jn 4:1),
to judge doctrine (Gal 1:8-9), and
to judge actions (1Co 5:1-2).

So the NT requires us to judge.

Then what is it we are not to judge?

We are not to judge the hearts of others.

Please. . .submit yourself to the study of the NT word of God written that your impressions may be correctly formed (this).

 

[passing_through]

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.Romans 1:16

Romans 2:9-10
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

"Yet the Lord hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day." Deuteronomy 29:4

The wine (content) is still good, the container is spent and obsolete.

"He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." Matthew 11:15

Well, I just don't see what your hitting at.

The immature in Christ are worrying about laws, the mature Christians thank Jesus that he kept all the law for me and I live by him.

 

[Elin]

The question is,
"what was Paul doing 14 to 15 years before he wrote his 2nd letter to the Corinthians?"

Gal 1:11-2:2 answers your question.

The nearest I can tell is that Paul and Barnabas were in Antioch, or it was when Barnabas went to Tarsus to bring Paul to Antioch.

2 Corinthians 12:2-7 was written in 56-57 AD
[SUP]2 [/SUP]I knew a man in Christ above (more than) fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth), such an one caught up to the third heaven.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

One may ask themselves, if this was Paul that was privy to these things that were spoken to him, why would God have wanted him to hear words that he couldn't use for his appointed ministry? If anybody knows, and can give logical reason, I would appreciate it. I ask for reason that is understandable.

Paul in no way indicates an all inclusive meaning of the entire revelation regarding the words that were unspeakable, he mentions only words.

5. Of him I will glory; but of myself I will not boast, except in my sickness.
6. Yet if I were inclined to boast, I should not be without reason; for I declare truth. But I hold back, or else anyone should think of me beyond what he sees in me and hears from me.
7. And, that I might not be uplifted by the excellence of revelation, there was given also to me a thorn in my flesh, the Messenger of Satan, to attack me that I might not be uplifted.

Paul's explanations to the Corinthians about what happened would have been sometime between the years of 41-43 AD. (Acts l5-l7)
The book of 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Corinthians is a Pauline Epistle (letter from Paul). The Apostle Paul wrote it about 56 A.D.
Paul received his revelation while either at Tarsus, or at Antioch well after his conversion. He had been ministering the "mystery" of the kingdom for 6 years previous this event told to the Corinthians.

If it was Paul who was caught up into the third heaven and heard "unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter," then

this event doesn't apply to the "mystery" of what was revealed to Paul minister.

Nonsense. . .

The revelation of that "event" included words both speakable and unspeakable.

We didn't get the epistles to the Romans, Corinthians, Galations, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians or Thessalonians until after that event.
They are the revelation given to Paul personally by Jesus Christ.

What's this half-baked sifting of the NT to discredit the word of God therein?

Ephesians 3:2-9
[SUP]2 [/SUP]If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

 

[Elin]

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.Romans 1:16

Romans 2:9-10
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

"Yet the Lord hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day." Deuteronomy 29:4

The wine (content) is still good, the container is spent and obsolete.

"He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." Matthew 11:15

Not quite. . .the wine is new, it is not the old wine.

Get it straight. . .quit embellishing it to fit your unBiblical doctrine.

 

[just-me]

Well, I just don't see what your hitting at.

The immature in Christ are worrying about laws, the mature Christians thank Jesus that he kept all the law for me and I live by him.

"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:" Philippians 2:5
"He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." Matthew 11:15

 

[JesusIsAll]

Not quite. . .the wine is new, it is not the old wine.

Get it straight. . .quit embellishing it to fit your unBiblical doctrine.

Deys dis ting be's called "bouts 'o tha fyootilayshus." Elduh Floyd says hain't no savin, 'ceptin Watchtower 'n Awake magzeens. 'N pert near jes him 'n 143,999 others, as ah ciphers it. Yous needs pull out King James Bible 'n says, "Look here, Floyd! Right here mays well says yoo full 'o...", well, hain't wurds ta be usin here. Same iz troo them Seven Day Advertizors. Jes shows 'em King James Bible, stick tung out et Ellen White, den, "Feet don't fail me now!" Anythin else be's liken ta makin sleepin mule dance, mercy that don be sinkin in!

 

[just-me]

Gal 1:11-2:2 answers your question.

Paul in no way indicates an all inclusive meaning of the entire revelation regarding the words that were unspeakable, he mentions only words.


Nonsense. . .

The revelation of that "event" included words both speakable and unspeakable.

We didn't get the epistles to the Romans, Corinthians, Galations, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians or Thessalonians until after that event.
They are the revelation given to Paul personally by Jesus Christ.

What's this half-baked sifting of the NT to discredit the word of God therein?

Not quite. . .the wine is new, it is not the old wine.

Get it straight. . .quit embellishing it to fit your unBiblical doctrine.

Logic is not un-biblical for God gave us a mind to think with and to study the truth. I speak of spiritual understanding that makes sense even if you fervently desire to reject it. I know why you have a major problem with what I presented. It's truth. I was right when I thought that you would respond as you did. It was expected. May God bless you with wisdom, and not rejection of the truth. I invite all to read the previous posts of Paul being taking into the third heaven and see for yourself, and then determine for yourself why "Elin" rejects this truth. What is the correct Spirit, and what is the deceptive spirit?

 

[just-me]

Deys dis ting be's called "bouts 'o tha fyootilayshus." Elduh Floyd says hain't no savin, 'ceptin Watchtower 'n Awake magzeens. 'N pert near jes him 'n 143,999 others, as ah ciphers it. Yous needs pull out King James Bible 'n says, "Look here, Floyd! Right here mays well says yoo full 'o...", well, hain't wurds ta be usin here. Same iz troo them Seven Day Advertizors. Jes shows 'em King James Bible, stick tung out et Ellen White, den, "Feet don't fail me now!" Anythin else be's liken ta makin sleepin mule dance, mercy that don be sinkin in!

Talk about "unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter." LOL

The question is, "what was Paul doing 14 to 15 years before he wrote his 2nd letter to the Corinthians?" The nearest I can tell is that Paul and Barnabas were in Antioch, or it was when Barnabas went to Tarsus to bring Paul to Antioch.

2 Corinthians 12:2-7 was written in 56-57 AD
[SUP]2 [/SUP]I knew a man in Christ above (more than) fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth), such an one caught up to the third heaven.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

In verse 5 Paul defines a stark difference between himself, and who he will give glory to. He knew a man 14 to 15 years previously that he will give glory to, but not himself.

Translated from the Aramaic English New Testament
2. I knew a man in Mashiyach fourteen years ago - but whether in a body, or whether out of a body, I don't know; Elohim knows - who was caught up to the third (region) of heaven.

The "third heaven" is a reference to the future judgment hall of the "Ancient of Days" as mentioned in Daniel 7.

3. And I knew this man; but whether in a body, or out of a body, I don't know; (only) Elohim knows;
4. And he was caught up to Paradise and heard ineffable Words, which is not permitted a man to utter.

One may ask themselves, if this was Paul that was privy to these things that were spoken to him, why would God have wanted him to hear words that he couldn't use for his appointed ministry? If anybody knows, and can give logical reason, I would appreciate it. I ask for reason that is understandable.

5. Of him I will glory; but of myself I will not boast, except in my sickness.
6. Yet if I were inclined to boast, I should not be without reason; for I declare truth. But I hold back, or else anyone should think of me beyond what he sees in me and hears from me.
7. And, that I might not be uplifted by the excellence of revelation, there was given also to me a thorn in my flesh, the Messenger of Satan, to attack me that I might not be uplifted.

Paul's explanations to the Corinthians about what happened would have been sometime between the years of 41-43 AD. (Acts l5-l7)
The book of 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Corinthians is a Pauline Epistle (letter from Paul). The Apostle Paul wrote it about 56 A.D.
Paul received his revelation while either at Tarsus, or at Antioch well after his conversion. He had been ministering the "mystery" of the kingdom for 6 years previous this event told to the Corinthians.

If it was Paul who was caught up into the third heaven and heard "unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter," then this event doesn't apply to the "mystery" of what was revealed to Paul minister.

Ephesians 3:2-9
[SUP]2 [/SUP]If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

 

[Elin]

"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:" Philippians 2:5
"He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." Matthew 11:15

Agreed. . .that would be the mind revealed in the words spoken by the Son in these last days
(Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers, as the NT distinguishes them from the former words spoken by those who were only prophets.

 

[pwrnJC]

OK..not to burst your bubble...but the 10 commandments are not the guidelines for your life. JESUS CHRIST is the fulfillment of the LAW..in every form and fashion. You and I do not answer to Moses..nor do we roam the desert as a nomadic tribe, eating manna and occasional quail. Besides..the last time I looked, the Ten Commandments have been removed from all courthouses, schools, colleges and public areas. Most countries never had them posted anyway..since they were written. So how do you become a CHRISTIAN? We follow the ROOT word "CHRIST" and that makes all the difference. Worship HIM every day you live..gather in one accord with other CHRIST followers any day you can and you will be honoring GOD by worshiping His Son.

 

[Elin]

The question is, "what was Paul doing 14 to 15 years before he wrote his 2nd letter to the Corinthians?"

How about preaching the gospel?

The nearest I can tell is that Paul and Barnabas were in Antioch, or it was when Barnabas went to Tarsus to bring Paul to Antioch. . .

Paul's explanations to the Corinthians about what happened would have been sometime between the years of 41-43 AD. (Acts l5-l7)
The book of 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Corinthians is a Pauline Epistle (letter from Paul). The Apostle Paul wrote it about 56 A.D.
Paul received his revelation while either at Tarsus, or at Antioch well after his conversion.

He had been ministering the "mystery" of the kingdom for 6 years previous this event told to the Corinthians.

And since we have no record of what Paul preached during that time, you know what he was preaching, how?

What we know is that he was showing from the OT that Jesus of Nazareth was the Messiah.

In that endeavor, he would have had more on his plate than he could have said grace over. . .
until he was sent to the Gentiles with his exceedingly surpassing revelations from Jesus Christ personally.

And what we know is that the spirit which seeks to unseat the NT word of God is not the Holy Spirit.

He who has hears that can hear, let him hear.

 

[just-me]

OK..not to burst your bubble...but the 10 commandments are not the guidelines for your life. JESUS CHRIST is the fulfillment of the LAW..in every form and fashion. You and I do not answer to Moses..nor do we roam the desert as a nomadic tribe, eating manna and occasional quail. Besides..the last time I looked, the Ten Commandments have been removed from all courthouses, schools, colleges and public areas. Most countries never had them posted anyway..since they were written. So how do you become a CHRISTIAN? We follow the ROOT word "CHRIST" and that makes all the difference. Worship HIM every day you live..gather in one accord with other CHRIST followers any day you can and you will be honoring GOD by worshiping His Son.

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone." Matthew 23:23

John 5:46-47
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

 

[BS]

I think that Dalai Lama had seen this thread here when said he likes Christianity but does not like Christians ...

Rom. 12:10. [Be] kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;
15:14. And I myself also am persuaded of you, my brethren, that ye also are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, able also to admonish one another.
Cor. 6:6. By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,
Gal. 5::22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

 

[Elin]

Deys dis ting be's called "bouts 'o tha fyootilayshus." Elduh Floyd says hain't no savin, 'ceptin Watchtower 'n Awake magzeens. 'N pert near jes him 'n 143,999 others, as ah ciphers it. Yous needs pull out King James Bible 'n says, "Look here, Floyd! Right here mays well says yoo full 'o...", well, hain't wurds ta be usin here. Same iz troo them Seven Day Advertizors. Jes shows 'em King James Bible, stick tung out et Ellen White, den, "Feet don't fail me now!" Anythin else be's liken ta makin sleepin mule dance, mercy that don be sinkin in!

"fyootilayshus". . .ROFL!!!

"Feet don't fail me now!". . .ROFL!!!

Mercy. . .mercy. . .mercy.

 

[just-me]

How about preaching the gospel?


And since we have no record of what Paul preached during that time, you know what he was preaching, how?

What we know is that he was showing from the OT that Jesus of Nazareth was the Messiah.

In that endeavor, he would have had more on his plate than he could have said grace over. . .
until he was sent to the Gentiles with his exceedingly surpassing revelations from Jesus Christ personally.

You are actually endorsing is that Paul received the mystery of the kingdom 6 years after his conversion. I don't believe that. If we don't know what he ministered 14+ years previous, you are insinuating that he did nothing for 5 to 6 years after he was enlightened on the road to Damascus. He was in Antioch ministering according to his calling 14 to 15 years before He wrote his 2nd letter about this incident to the Corinthians in chapter 12.

If he heard words "unspeakable" it could not have been the mystery he was to reveal to us. If he had done that he would have been doing what God did not want done.

 

[JaumeJ]

Mat 5:17
"Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I didn't come to destroy them, but to fulfill them,

Mat 5:18



because I tell you with certainty that until heaven and earth disappear, not one letter or one stroke of a letter will disappear from the Law until everything has been accomplished.

Mat 5:19



So whoever sets aside one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom from heaven. But whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom from heaven

Follow the example set by Jesus Christ............hear His teaching. Do his Word.

 

[JaumeJ]

No one, not even a prophet is capable of changing the Word of God. His children would not even entertain the thought.

 

[Elin]

The question is, "what was Paul doing 14 to 15 years before he wrote his 2nd letter to the Corinthians?

Gal 1:11-2:2 answers your question.

How about preaching the gospel. . .

Paul in no way indicates an all inclusive meaning of the entire revelation
regarding the words that were "unspeakable," he mentions only "words" that were unspeakable.

this event doesn't apply to the "mystery" of what was revealed to Paul minister.

Nonsense. . .

The revelation of that "event" included words both speakable and unspeakable.

We didn't get the epistles to the Romans, Corinthians, Galations, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians or Thessalonians until after that event.
They are the revelation given to Paul personally by Jesus Christ.

What's this half-baked sifting of the NT to discredit the word of God therein?
It's certainly not from the Holy Spirit, who is the Author of the NT word of God written.

The wine (content) is still good, the container is spent and obsolete.

More embellishment. . .the wine is new, it is not the old wine.

Get it straight. . .quit embellishing it to fit your unBiblical doctrine.

Paul's explanations to the Corinthians about what happened would have been sometime between the years of 41-43 AD. (Acts l5-l7)
The book of 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Corinthians is a Pauline Epistle (letter from Paul). The Apostle Paul wrote it about 56 A.D.
Paul received his revelation while either at Tarsus, or at Antioch well after his conversion.

He had been ministering the "mystery" of the kingdom for 6 years previous this event told to the Corinthians .

And since we have no record of what Paul preached during that time, you know this, how?

What we know is that he was showing from the OT that Jesus of Nazareth was the Messiah.

In that endeavor, he would have had more on his plate than he could have said grace over. . .
until he was sent to the Gentiles with his exceedingly surpassing revelations from Jesus Christ personally.

And what we know is that the spirit which seeks to unseat the NT word of God is not the Holy Spirit.

Logic is not un-biblical

It is when it futzes with the NT word of God.

for God gave us a mind to think with and to study the truth.

Rule #1 -- All thinking and studying of the truth must be in accordance with the NT word of God written.

The "logic" above is neither.

I speak of spiritual understanding that makes sense even if you fervently desire to reject it.

The question is: which spirit is its author.

Anything futzing with the NT word of God is not from the Holy Spirit. . .this we know.

There is no Holy Spirit understanding that embellishes, or is not in agreement with, the word of God written.

That is from another spirit's understanding.

He who has ears that can hear, let him hear.

I know why you have a major problem with what I presented. It's truth. I was right when I thought that you would respond as you did. It was expected.

At least you know you are presenting what is not Biblical and expect it to be addressed.

May God bless you with wisdom, and not rejection of the truth.

I pray the same for you. . .
knowing that God's truth is always according to his word written, for God does not contradict himself.

I invite all to read the previous posts of Paul being taking into the third heaven and see for yourself, and then determine for yourself why "Elin" rejects this truth. What is the correct Spirit, and what is the deceptive spirit?

Agreed. . .the record speaks for itself.

 

[Elin]

Talk about "unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter." LOL

Dem whuts got ears ta hear dem, be knowin' what he be sayin'.

 

[Elin]

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone." Matthew 23:23

John 5:46-47
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Got anything spoken under the new covenant (Lk 22:20) after the old covenant based on the law
was made obsolete (Heb 8:13)?