why is my bible missing acts 8:37?!?!

[Jason0047]

People who try to claim the KJV as the best are forgetting that it was a created translation in the 1600s and that since then many translations are just as good or better because it's in our present time language. Just like the Chinese have a Chinese translation, or the Mexican have a Spanish. We would all still benefit from learning the original te t of Hebrew. greek and Aramaic, though, would not others agree? I'm not saying we need to be fluent, but I've found it helps to find out more about it.

Thru out time, God has chosen the world language of it's day so as to provide a perfect Word so that man cannot distort what God has actually said. God has provided the Scriptures perfectly thru out time in .....

Hebrew (Which was for His chosen nation to be a light to the rest of the world)
Greek (Which was the world language at one time)
Latin (Which was the world language at one time)
English (Which is now the world language) Just Google .... "What is the world language?"

So God does not change. He provides His Word perfectly in the world language of it's day so man cannot change or distort it. Men today do not know how to speak or write Hebrew and Greek like those who did back in the old days. The only way we can know what those languages are saying is by what our language says in the currently preserved Word of God today. To say that God only preserved His Word in a language that no longer exists means God exists in the past in some dead language. But God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

 

[Bowhunter2394]

Thru out time, God has chosen the world language of it's day so as to provide a perfect Word so that man cannot distort what God has actually said. God has provided the Scriptures perfectly thru out time in .....

Hebrew (Which was for His chosen nation to be a light to the rest of the world)
Greek (Which was the world language at one time)
Latin (Which was the world language at one time)
English (Which is now the world language) Just Google .... "What is the world language?"

So God does not change. He provides His Word perfectly in the world language of it's day so man cannot change or distort it. Men today do not know how to speak or write Hebrew and Greek like those who did back in the old days. The only way we can know what those languages are saying is by what our language says in the currently preserved Word of God today. To say that God only preserved His Word in a language that no longer exists means God exists in the past in some dead language. But God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

The Word of God hasnt changed, No Christ Hasn't changed , God manifest in the flesh, He has Not.. but MAN takes the Written Word (logos) and changes it to adapt to his carnal inclinations, thus you have a modern day Chruch that is Laodicean in 'character', lukewarm, carnal, living for the carnal things, teach the carnal things, even His Word, a 'works' Salvation, plus many other misinterpretations of the Literal Word of God, based on their flesh, this a church very well sown by the other sower, as he needs a 'global congregation' that is confused, carnal, and going full blown apostate.... Christ is the Same Today Yesterday and Forever, man pulls Him down to his/her level, re writes the LOGOS to fit their image of Him.. when in the Spirit, He is the Same... those Led of the Spirit will understand this, the carnal in his works doctrine and carnal christ, they will not.. but will continue on in their error... Only the Light of Christ can Illuminate Your spirit and mind and heart to the Truth, this Christ, God manifest in the flesh! for there is no other 'christ', no baptist christ, no lutheran christ, no rcc christ, no Assembly of God Christ, no Chruch of christ christ, no mormon christ, etc etc etc etc... Christ in SIMPLE TRUTH is not Divided... He is not.. man has divided Him to fit his/her 'standard image'.. indeed!

 

[DesiredHaven]

Isaiah 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD,

is quoted here in Luke 4:19

Then he closed the book (of Isaiah) in Luke 4:20 because that day this was fulfilled

But that last verse is split...

The second half of Isaiah 61:2 reads... and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

Which part of vengeance is mentioned here

Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

 

[Galahad]

Plus he or it is using the acronym "What The ----" in the top post. I don't hardly think a Christian interested in the Bible would drop the F-bomb on the forum if they were sincere.

I wholeheartedly agree.

You are 58. I am 53.
But CTC1989 is 27.

 

[MarcR]

Uh.......... my NIV has #37 included in the margin.

Thank you for the correction. Some printings of the NIV totally omit the disputed verses.

 

[atwhatcost]

Actually, if it is a real person, it is a HUMAN SPAMMER. Google "forum spammers" to learn how they get users to generate visability for advertisers by getting people to respond to them.

Better yet, Google ctc1989 and see what comes up.

Or you can waste your time answering their questions... and did you notice they haven't been replying to you? That's because they don't need to reply. You guys have generated 4 pages for them already. You've accomplished their mission for them. You're actually doing just what they want, arguing among yourselves as always. CARRY ON!

Had several people told me I wasn't a real person in the first couple of questions I asked, I wouldn't be around to respond either. Matter of fact, one of my first questions I did abandon because of a problem.

I get the concept of trolls and spammers. I more get we're supposed to assume the good, unless otherwise notified. Someone who may or may not be sophisticated on the ways of the Internet, or on God, doesn't suddenly become void to me. I see a baby in Christ with a health issue. You see a spammer. And what for? One obscure YouTube video? That's not a great marketing plan. That's not even a mediocre marketing plan.

Spammers -- real spammers -- are at least to mediocre on marketing. (BTW, I studied SEO, so I already know white hat, black hat, and gray hat ways to market online. No googling required.)

 

[Jason0047]

I wholeheartedly agree.

You are 58. I am 53.
But CTC1989 is 27.

However, one has to assume that an F bomb or an F-17 bomb was being dropped at the end of his sentence. Perhaps he meant to say... "What the Heck" or "What the..." (As implying a question was hanging over his head). It is not for us to judge unless he specifically says a wrong bad word. For we cannot read men's thoughts like Jesus could.

 

[atwhatcost]

No. Biblical Greek is not the same as Greek today. Yes, they are related but they are not the same. The only way you could run into a guy who actually knew Biblical Greek is to run into an apostle who traveled to the future in our time who knew Biblical Greek. It is ignorant to assume people would not be corrected by Paul today. People are relying upon a language that they do not know how to write or speak. The only way you can know what it says is in understanding it in your own language. For did the Holy Spirit speak to people in Hebrew and Greek at pentecost" Or did the Holy Spirit communicate to people in their own languages? Why do you think God cannot communicate to us in our language perfectly today? Why do you think He is powerless today to communicate like He did back then?

It's because people believe in a powerless God who cannot do miracles anymore.

And, it's not ignorant to read what I wrote? And it's not ignorant to assume scholars can learn an ancient language? Yeah, okay.

 

[atwhatcost]

This is a red letter day! I actually agreed with one of your posts. LOL

I'm marking this down on my calendar. LOL

 

[Jason0047]

your MISSING THE POINT JASON..

And what point is that exactly?

and the mark.

What mark are we talking about here?

your ZEAL blinds you to the Truth..

And what truth is that exactly?

oh believe me I know what John 8 is all about.. sorry....

Oh, good. Then you won't mind explaining what Jesus meant when He said that they wanted to kill him because His Word did not abide in them then. To me, that means they did not obey God's Word. What do you think it means?

 

[atwhatcost]

I'm like "what"about the Vaticanus and Sinticanus... Let's try to stick to basics in just the Word. I love the Bible and how Jesus used the simple to teach us. Even a child can understand it.

LOL

I get this, because I was a bit dumbfounded too. BUT I know the Bible came down through the efforts of a lot of scholars over the years. The Latin Vulgate, was the first Bible written to put the Bible into modern language. The modern language was Latin, so, not so modern anymore. But, in like kind, scholars through the ages keep researching and updating the Bible according to the research they've discovered since the last efforts.

Sometimes the rewrites bring amazingly shocking new insight. (For instance, the guy who wrote the Vulgate, thought a Greek word was "Penance." That's where the Catholic Church got that whole Confession and then say five Our Fathers, three Hail Marys and a couple of Glory Bes was penance thingy. Later on, through archaeological discovers it was determined the word was "Repent." That changed everything.) Sometimes it's just changing language. (For instance, older Bibles say God is awful. Back then, he really was awful, because awful meant full of awe. But through time we changed what awful means, so it had to be updated.)

As it stands now, I can name several versions of the Bible off the top of my head: NIV, KJV, NKJV, ESV, ASV, and Genova. Marc is well studied in the Bible. He goes with older versions than I could possibly understand. It's not a different Bible. It is the Bible, but you have to remember, people in Spain that know Spanish only are not going to read the KJV. It's in English. Just like we're not going to read a Bible in Spanish.

Same kind of thing. Marc is talking the same Bible, just a more scholarly version.

 

[atwhatcost]

AGREED!!!!! We can know a tree by it's fruits. NO true CHRIST follower would consider using CURSE words or explicits in their normal everyday speaking or typing skills. THE spirit in which this is written instantly kinda 'jumps' out at ya in a way that only shows confusion and disbelief. WE are to test the spirits and this spirit offers nothing helpful. Recently, in a secular chatroom, I came across an screen name with the word CHRISTIAN as part of it. We chatted and shared stories. Eventually, I began to discern that he was using this word as a sort of identification, but yet when in private, was actually cruising with another agenda in mind. HE even sent me pictures and they were of him, claiming to be a youth leader in a local church, but he was completely nude. OF course, that is a red flag, no different than cursing or living with someone or having a beer next to you as you lead a BIBLE study. How shallow can we be to think that GOD blesses and annoints this?

I must be a grave disappointment for you. I do curse on occasion. (Ouch, just doesn't cover the extent of the pain I'm feeling when I smash my finger or toe into something.) I'm still a Christian. My mind thinks in curse words more often. So far, I've been able to curb the use of what's in my mind when I write.

You're going to have to get used to we're not perfect, or choke when you see the imperfections. I'm STILL a Christian.

 

[Jason0047]

And, it's not ignorant to read what I wrote? And it's not ignorant to assume scholars can learn an ancient language? Yeah, okay.

You have too much confidence in man's ability. God is not the author of confusion. He does not speak to us in giberish non sense that we cannot ever understand as a part of His Word. If I were to speak Hebrew or Greek to you, it would not make any sense to you or to a church down the street. If they were to put up Hebrew and Greek writing on a projector screen... it would not change anything. They would have no clue to what was being said. Paul said he would rather a person speak five words with the understanding than five thousand words without the understanding. So speaking words in our own language with the understanding is not bad but a good thing.

Plus, the regular sheep church goer is supposed to just take the scholar's interpretation on faith? What if they got it wrong? That's kind of the point. A believer is supposed to study to show themselves approved unto God.

In other words, imagine if I wrote a letter today to someone I loved. Can you imagine how someone in the future could misinterpret certain things I might have said in that letter? How could anyone really know if they got it right? That's kind of the point. Either God preserved His Word or He did not preserve His Word. The question you should ask yourself is.... why don't you want God's Word to be preserved in the world language perfectly today?

 

[Jason0047]

I must be a grave disappointment for you. I do curse on occasion. (Ouch, just doesn't cover the extent of the pain I'm feeling when I smash my finger or toe into something.) I'm still a Christian. My mind thinks in curse words more often. So far, I've been able to curb the use of what's in my mind when I write.

You're going to have to get used to we're not perfect, or choke when you see the imperfections. I'm STILL a Christian.

No. Curse words are bad fruit and not good fruit. Jesus said we will know false prophets by their fruit. Jesus said it is not what goes into a person's mouth that defiles a person but what comes out of their mouths that defiles them. How can one be defiled if they are saved, justified and forgiven?

The short answer is that one needs to repent of their sin of cursing in order to be forgiven of such a sin.

Meaning, if there is no forgiveness, then there is no salvation.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You have too much confidence in man's ability. God is not the author of confusion. He does not speak to us in giberish non sense that we cannot ever understand as a part of His Word. If I were to speak Hebrew or Greek to you, it would not make any sense to you or to a church down the street. If they were to put up Hebrew and Greek writing on a projector screen... it would not change anything. They would have no clue to what was being said. Paul said he would rather a person speak five words with the understanding than five thousand words without the understanding. So speaking words in our own language with the understanding is not bad but a good thing.

Plus, the regular sheep church goer is supposed to just take the scholar's interpretation on faith? What if they got it wrong? That's kind of the point. A believer is supposed to study to show themselves approved unto God.

In other words, imagine if I wrote a letter today to someone I loved. Can you imagine how someone in the future could misinterpret certain things I might have said in that letter? How could anyone really know if they got it right? That's kind of the point. Either God preserved His Word or He did not preserve His Word. The question you should ask yourself is.... why don't you want God's Word to be preserved in the world language perfectly today?

That would be great if it was preserved. but the greek language as well as hebrew is so concise and deep. No actual english translation of the languages is really a complete interpretation. they are all flawed. Not only based on the flawed english language, but the interpretors. who placed their own spin on words, and did not interpret phrases and sentences completely. what we have is a basic word for word, which is not even truly a word for word.

 

[Reborn]

I must be a grave disappointment for you. I do curse on occasion. (Ouch, just doesn't cover the extent of the pain I'm feeling when I smash my finger or toe into something.) I'm still a Christian. My mind thinks in curse words more often. So far, I've been able to curb the use of what's in my mind when I write.

You're going to have to get used to we're not perfect, or choke when you see the imperfections. I'm STILL a Christian.

Don't listen to the guy.
He has Americanitis.

Considering a 'cuss word' or just a word, may change definition, depending on culture........EVERY word could be one.
Everyday, I use 10 everyday common words in English, that would offend my Mom's Thai family.

 

[Jason0047]

That would be great if it was preserved. but the greek language as well as hebrew is so concise and deep. No actual english translation of the languages is really a complete interpretation. they are all flawed. Not only based on the flawed english language, but the interpretors. who placed their own spin on words, and did not interpret phrases and sentences completely. what we have is a basic word for word, which is not even truly a word for word.

If what you say is true, then the promises of God have failed then. But that is not possible because God's Word cannot be broken. But wait a minute. If there is many words of God that all say different things, then there is no one clear message to break. The Word of God can be whatever you want it to be (Because it keeps changing with every new translation).

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If what you say is true, then the promises of God have failed then. But that is not possible because God's Word cannot be broken. But wait a minute. If there is many words of God that all say different things, then there is no one clear message to break. The Word of God can be whatever you want it to be (Because it keeps changing with every new translation).

No, because he kept his Greek and Hebrew manuscripts in tact. even if they are copies. they are still readily available. And we have them to rely on. There is a reason God did not write the word in english.

Come on. If you have studied Greek or Hebrew at all you would realise how flawed the english text is.

 

[Jason0047]

Don't listen to the guy.
He has Americanitis.

Considering a 'cuss word' or just a word, may change definition, depending on culture........EVERY word could be one.
Everyday, I use 10 everyday common words in English, that would offend my Mom's Thai family.

We are not IN other cultures or countries when we speak certain words of other languages. Therein lies the difference. A bad word is a bad word to whatever culture or country you are in or around. You know it is wrong to say bad words because the other person can get upset by what you said. Therein lies the difference of loving them or not loving them; And he that does not love does not know God.

 

[Jason0047]

No, because he kept his Greek and Hebrew manuscripts in tact. even if they are copies. they are still readily available. And we have them to rely on. There is a reason God did not write the word in english.

Come on. If you have studied Greek or Hebrew at all you would realise how flawed the english text is.

No sir. You really don't know what Hebrew and Greek says without some other guy telling you what it says. The only way you can know is if by what our language says. That's it. There is no other way unless one of the men of God from that time period traveled in a time machine or something.