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She didn't tell Adam where she had gotten the fruit. It doesn't say it, but it's quite possible that he didn't see her pick it, and didn't know it was the forbidden fruit. It's possible the fruit looked like other types of fruits that were in the same garden.
It seems to me like you're questioning God's judgment, that He should have punished Adam as well for being an accessory to the crime. Do you think we as men don't feel the effects of the original sin? The whole earth does; a woman just feels it worse because it was Eve's fault for not trusting God.
It seems to me like you're questioning God's judgment, that He should have punished Adam as well for being an accessory to the crime. Do you think we as men don't feel the effects of the original sin? The whole earth does; a woman just feels it worse because it was Eve's fault for not trusting God.
None of you know what really happened, but I do. *wink*.
The forbidden fruit in the garden was an avocado and this led to an argument whether it was a fruit or a vegetable.
At great risk to the man's berevity, he challenged her to taste of this element to see whether it was fruit or vegetable.
Started the whole thing, and the argument over this issue between man and woman continues to this day, particularly at meal times.
The forbidden fruit in the garden was an avocado and this led to an argument whether it was a fruit or a vegetable.
At great risk to the man's berevity, he challenged her to taste of this element to see whether it was fruit or vegetable.
Started the whole thing, and the argument over this issue between man and woman continues to this day, particularly at meal times.
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I think it was both of there faults!
Before they ate of the fruit of the tree of good and evil, Adam and Eve had not known what evil was.
It was not until they ate of the tree of good and evil did they know evil.
Both of them were together in the garden,
Gen.3:6 it says, she also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.
1Tim. 2:13-14 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived fell into transgression.
I do not question God, it was man's choice, God gave him free will to make his choices!
I question the mans decision based on what He was told and what He knew!
C
Do you think the garden was a small place? If they could hide from God in the garden, do you think it was a garden like we think of them, a small plot on side of our homes?
It doesn't say they were together when she was talking with the snake, or when she was eating the fruit.
If the Bible says Adam was not deceived, then obviously he had no idea that it was the forbidden fruit. Eve didn't tell him it was, and neither did the serpent. He wasn't deceived, because he wasn't fooled.
If Eve would've said "Here eat this, it's from that tree God said not to eat from. The serpent said it was cool though, we'll be just like God!", and THEN if he would've eaten it, that would've been deception.
It doesn't say they were together when she was talking with the snake, or when she was eating the fruit.
If the Bible says Adam was not deceived, then obviously he had no idea that it was the forbidden fruit. Eve didn't tell him it was, and neither did the serpent. He wasn't deceived, because he wasn't fooled.
If Eve would've said "Here eat this, it's from that tree God said not to eat from. The serpent said it was cool though, we'll be just like God!", and THEN if he would've eaten it, that would've been deception.
R
hello to u and god bless u
where ever 2 r 3 are gather togather iam in this midths
when a woman go forth and speak it is not her but the lord using her
we women are just vessels for the lord
we are not pastor or preacher
but if the lord call the women to pastor and she it annointed to do so again dont look at the woman but look at te spirit that in the woman
for example when i speak or say teach dont look at me in the fresh look at the spirit that is using me i speak from the word of god
i do not speak of my self i speak from the word of god
god can use anyone to get his word out even a little child and one point i remember he use a donkey
i am not apastor iam not a preacher i am a servant being used by the lord that iam
now you were using the pasage were paul told the woman to be quiet in the church
u need to read the whole chapter what happen here word had got back to paul that the women were talking out of order
in the church when the preacher would be preaching overthe pulpit the wome would jump up and disrupt the sermon say things like
thats not right u are not teaching the truth just totally and be out of order during service
so paul told them to be quiet
and if they had any questios ask their own husbands
as is what that was all about
i do teach in my church
it is with my pastor permission
and also every 5 sunday the woman for forth with the word of god
we are under authority of our pastor
we do not speak without him knowing about it
and my pastor is a man
i really do think u should go back and look up what authority mean
teaching is different from authority
i do know some women as pastors and they are speaking the word
of god
but when they are home the man is still and is over the home the repect is still there
that is what i look at
she/they still
repect their husbands
they are not out of order,the man is still in charge and the same respect is in the church ever though she is the pastor
there is nothing wrong with it it is the lord
i just wanted to share that with u sharing this with u out of love sister ruru
where ever 2 r 3 are gather togather iam in this midths
when a woman go forth and speak it is not her but the lord using her
we women are just vessels for the lord
we are not pastor or preacher
but if the lord call the women to pastor and she it annointed to do so again dont look at the woman but look at te spirit that in the woman
for example when i speak or say teach dont look at me in the fresh look at the spirit that is using me i speak from the word of god
i do not speak of my self i speak from the word of god
god can use anyone to get his word out even a little child and one point i remember he use a donkey
i am not apastor iam not a preacher i am a servant being used by the lord that iam
now you were using the pasage were paul told the woman to be quiet in the church
u need to read the whole chapter what happen here word had got back to paul that the women were talking out of order
in the church when the preacher would be preaching overthe pulpit the wome would jump up and disrupt the sermon say things like
thats not right u are not teaching the truth just totally and be out of order during service
so paul told them to be quiet
and if they had any questios ask their own husbands
as is what that was all about
i do teach in my church
it is with my pastor permission
and also every 5 sunday the woman for forth with the word of god
we are under authority of our pastor
we do not speak without him knowing about it
and my pastor is a man
i really do think u should go back and look up what authority mean
teaching is different from authority
i do know some women as pastors and they are speaking the word
of god
but when they are home the man is still and is over the home the repect is still there
that is what i look at
she/they still
repect their husbands
they are not out of order,the man is still in charge and the same respect is in the church ever though she is the pastor
there is nothing wrong with it it is the lord
i just wanted to share that with u sharing this with u out of love sister ruru
what is this? the Bible says that Adam was with Eve when she took of the fruit Ge 3:6And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
and Adam was punished
Ge 3:17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;Ge 3:18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;Ge 3:19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
and it even clears this up in the new testament,
1ti 2:13For Adam was first formed, then Eve.1ti 2:14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.1ti 2:15Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
and Adam was punished
Ge 3:17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;Ge 3:18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;Ge 3:19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
and it even clears this up in the new testament,
1ti 2:13For Adam was first formed, then Eve.1ti 2:14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.1ti 2:15Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
C
I think (?) what ruru is trying to say is that since this verse was in a letter directed at a specific church, only that church had to follow what his letter said, not the whole of Christianity, even though it was included in the Bible and not explained as such.
I think it would help to include the verse beforehand to clarify the point that this is wrong.
1 Corinthians 14:33 - For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints, 34 women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says.
As for your pastor allowing you and other women to preach to the congregation, you can say a woman is lead by the Holy Spirit to preach to a congregation, that it's not her but the Spirit instead, but if the Bible says women aren't to do that, then obviously it's not the Holy Spirit that's leading them. There is still a woman in front of a congregation delivering a sermon, teaching men, and the Bible says that's not supposed to happen.
You may be under the authority of your pastor, but your pastor is supposed to be under the authority of the Word.
1 Timothy 2:12 - I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.
I think it would help to include the verse beforehand to clarify the point that this is wrong.
1 Corinthians 14:33 - For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints, 34 women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says.
As for your pastor allowing you and other women to preach to the congregation, you can say a woman is lead by the Holy Spirit to preach to a congregation, that it's not her but the Spirit instead, but if the Bible says women aren't to do that, then obviously it's not the Holy Spirit that's leading them. There is still a woman in front of a congregation delivering a sermon, teaching men, and the Bible says that's not supposed to happen.
You may be under the authority of your pastor, but your pastor is supposed to be under the authority of the Word.
1 Timothy 2:12 - I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.
H
I think when we start having to justify, or provide loopholes to say something is okay, then maybe we aren't following what Scripture said. God is usually pretty straight forward with what He wants. We've been given several passages, all of them clear as day, telling us women are to be silent in church, submit to their husbands, not teach men, or have authority over a man. There really aren't any loopholes, justifications, or alternate contexts we can provide here. I know I don't want to have to give my justification to God..."Well, yeah I know You said that I wasn't suppposed to be a preacher....but, I thought that was just a letter to one church...I thought that my priest could give me that authority...I thought...I thought...I thought. When we justify it, we are gving power to ourselves, and not to God's word.
It's a hard pill to swallow...a VERY hard pill to swallow. I've wanted to go to seminary and be a priest for a very long time now. I'm episcopalian and we have a lot of women priests, even a woman as a presiding bishop. And, after a lot of research, I realized it wasn't for God's glory that I wanted to be a priest, but my own. And it was VERY hard for me to stomach these scriptures as a modern woman and humble myselve accordingly. As women we want to be treated like equals, if a man can do it, we want to do it, no matter what. But that is thinking of the world, not of God. Even when we want it so bad, when we want to bend the Scripture saying there are allowances when it doesn't say there are allowances, even when we think we have the right (rights which were man given, and not God given), it's probably best to err on the side of caution and stick to what the Bible tells us.
It's a hard pill to swallow...a VERY hard pill to swallow. I've wanted to go to seminary and be a priest for a very long time now. I'm episcopalian and we have a lot of women priests, even a woman as a presiding bishop. And, after a lot of research, I realized it wasn't for God's glory that I wanted to be a priest, but my own. And it was VERY hard for me to stomach these scriptures as a modern woman and humble myselve accordingly. As women we want to be treated like equals, if a man can do it, we want to do it, no matter what. But that is thinking of the world, not of God. Even when we want it so bad, when we want to bend the Scripture saying there are allowances when it doesn't say there are allowances, even when we think we have the right (rights which were man given, and not God given), it's probably best to err on the side of caution and stick to what the Bible tells us.
C
*rubs hands together* EXCELLENT... Now, if we can convince the rest of the women in the world that they are our slaves, THE WORLD WILL BE OURS!
LOL kidding, kidding! I myself will probably never be a pastor, along with 90%+ of the other Christians in the world. Pastors and bishops are important, but the ones I know do not go from door to door, witnessing (NOT JUST FOR JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, BY THE WAY!) to the unsaved, or planning youth outings and things of that nature.
A woman can, indeed, be a youth minister or Sunday school teacher, since she wouldn't be speaking to the general congregation filled with men, but to children, which is what I would actually rather be to tell the truth. Children are far easier to influence than adults, and much more enthusiastic when they find the Lord (compared to adults, who are usually solemn).
As for witnessing, think about the Jehovah's Witnesses. These people have it down to an art form! They know they're going to run in to annoyed people, and those who were looking forward to their visit so they can play a practical joke on them, but they do it anyway!
This persistence is something that is sadly missing in people learning the real truth, not some washed-up and through-the-ringer bible, butchered to reflect their own views.
Let me tell you something I witnessed a couple years ago that really warmed my heart. This is Witnessing 101.
I camped outside a Best Buy on "Black Friday" for a laptop that I knew would sell out the next day (yes, I'm a dork, I'm aware). At about 4 AM, well before the store was to open, a youth group from a church came by in a van with a trailer attached to it, singing Christmas carols. These kids looked so happy and content with what they were doing, they were really getting in to it. I looked around at the line that was a few hundred feet long, and people's faces that were miserable (it was cold and a slight drizzle/rain had fell most of the night) only a few minutes before were glowing and smiling.
The van parked in front of the line and they played Christmas carols for a few minutes, then the van was opened wide, and they put on these huge plastic backpacks with tubes coming from them. They walked toward us and I noticed some of them handing cups and plastic bags too; they were handing out hot chocolate! I was so elated, I couldn't shake the smile from my face, and it wasn't because of the hot chocolate. These kids were up at 4 AM (and probably well before), preparing this act of absolute kindness that I and I'm sure most people in that line will never forget.
The name of their church was on the side of the van, and they were handing out tracts to anyone that would take them (it wasn't a requirement of getting the hot chocolate, they handed the tracts out afterward). After all of that was completed, they got back on the trailer and continued singing much softer Christmas carols until the store opened, with was 6 AM. Once the Best Buy people came out of the store, they announced they were leaving and hoped that we would join them at their church soon.
Everyone in the lines that were all over the shopping center applauded, whistled, and cheered. I'm sure their attendance was much higher that following Sunday thanks to those kids, and I'm sure there were hundreds of seeds planted in the hearts of those people standing in those lines.
LOL kidding, kidding! I myself will probably never be a pastor, along with 90%+ of the other Christians in the world. Pastors and bishops are important, but the ones I know do not go from door to door, witnessing (NOT JUST FOR JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, BY THE WAY!) to the unsaved, or planning youth outings and things of that nature.
A woman can, indeed, be a youth minister or Sunday school teacher, since she wouldn't be speaking to the general congregation filled with men, but to children, which is what I would actually rather be to tell the truth. Children are far easier to influence than adults, and much more enthusiastic when they find the Lord (compared to adults, who are usually solemn).
As for witnessing, think about the Jehovah's Witnesses. These people have it down to an art form! They know they're going to run in to annoyed people, and those who were looking forward to their visit so they can play a practical joke on them, but they do it anyway!
This persistence is something that is sadly missing in people learning the real truth, not some washed-up and through-the-ringer bible, butchered to reflect their own views.
Let me tell you something I witnessed a couple years ago that really warmed my heart. This is Witnessing 101.
I camped outside a Best Buy on "Black Friday" for a laptop that I knew would sell out the next day (yes, I'm a dork, I'm aware). At about 4 AM, well before the store was to open, a youth group from a church came by in a van with a trailer attached to it, singing Christmas carols. These kids looked so happy and content with what they were doing, they were really getting in to it. I looked around at the line that was a few hundred feet long, and people's faces that were miserable (it was cold and a slight drizzle/rain had fell most of the night) only a few minutes before were glowing and smiling.
The van parked in front of the line and they played Christmas carols for a few minutes, then the van was opened wide, and they put on these huge plastic backpacks with tubes coming from them. They walked toward us and I noticed some of them handing cups and plastic bags too; they were handing out hot chocolate! I was so elated, I couldn't shake the smile from my face, and it wasn't because of the hot chocolate. These kids were up at 4 AM (and probably well before), preparing this act of absolute kindness that I and I'm sure most people in that line will never forget.
The name of their church was on the side of the van, and they were handing out tracts to anyone that would take them (it wasn't a requirement of getting the hot chocolate, they handed the tracts out afterward). After all of that was completed, they got back on the trailer and continued singing much softer Christmas carols until the store opened, with was 6 AM. Once the Best Buy people came out of the store, they announced they were leaving and hoped that we would join them at their church soon.
Everyone in the lines that were all over the shopping center applauded, whistled, and cheered. I'm sure their attendance was much higher that following Sunday thanks to those kids, and I'm sure there were hundreds of seeds planted in the hearts of those people standing in those lines.
E
VERY well said, but Gods plan should not be "hard to swallow", we should embrace it. He loves women every bit as much as men, He just gave us different roles. While it may not make sense to our little brains, we can rejoice in the fact that He loves us very much and His plan is far better than any we could have come up with. It will all make sense some day and then we will wonder why we ever questioned his ways. Its unfortunate that so many want it their own way so bad that they twist Gods words which are very clear and look for ways to mold scripture to suit their liking.
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