Women Pastors? Help me.
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Hi, without getting too deep into this, Acts 15 describes the dietary food laws given to the Gentiles, specifically Acts 15:29;
But the Apostles seemed to all keep Old Testament Laws all through the Book of Acts.
The last being Acts 28:17 when Paul says he has never done anything against the Jews, therefore he had to have been keeping the Old Testament Laws.
There are Reformed churches today who keep these laws.
It seems that Old Testament Laws were not kept after the Apostles were gone, not while they were around.
Now the fact that just a few dietary laws were given to Gentiles to make it easy on them, where is our justification to ignore them for today?
And the fact that you may not have liked the salvation methods of William Booth, is that any reason to criticize them if others choose his way?
What you are talking about is judgment.
Don't we have enough of that?
Are there not more important issues at hand then to pass down the law to others?
But the Apostles seemed to all keep Old Testament Laws all through the Book of Acts.
The last being Acts 28:17 when Paul says he has never done anything against the Jews, therefore he had to have been keeping the Old Testament Laws.
There are Reformed churches today who keep these laws.
It seems that Old Testament Laws were not kept after the Apostles were gone, not while they were around.
Now the fact that just a few dietary laws were given to Gentiles to make it easy on them, where is our justification to ignore them for today?
And the fact that you may not have liked the salvation methods of William Booth, is that any reason to criticize them if others choose his way?
What you are talking about is judgment.
Don't we have enough of that?
Are there not more important issues at hand then to pass down the law to others?
I have entered my replies in red....
Hi, without getting too deep into this, Acts 15 describes the dietary food laws given to the Gentiles, specifically Acts 15:29;
Yes, that is what I was talking about. Not eating meat that had been sacrificed to idols, not eating any animal that had been strangled (not bled out), and blood.
But the Apostles seemed to all keep Old Testament Laws all through the Book of Acts.
The last being Acts 28:17 when Paul says he has never done anything against the Jews, therefore he had to have been keeping the Old Testament Laws.
Yes... the apostles were Jews, who still kept many of the Jewish laws and traditions.
There are Reformed churches today who keep these laws.
It seems that Old Testament Laws were not kept after the Apostles were gone, not while they were around.
Now the fact that just a few dietary laws were given to Gentiles to make it easy on them, where is our justification to ignore them for today?
Do you know anyplace that sells meat that has been offered to idols? Or meat from animals that have been strangled? Or, do you eat blood? I don't...
And the fact that you may not have liked the salvation methods of William Booth, is that any reason to criticize them if others choose his way?
I have no idea who William Booth is... can you enlighten me?
What you are talking about is judgment.
No, it is not. It is discernment. Do not try to paint me with a "judgment" brush.. I think that most people on this site will agree that I strive to be as non-judgmental as possible... but that is neither here nor there, as I don't have to prove myself to you.
Don't we have enough of that? (he asks, piously, hands folded, eyes upward...
just teasing you, brother)
Are there not more important issues at hand then to pass down the law to others?
Please tell me what "law" it is that I am trying to pass down on others?
Yes, that is what I was talking about. Not eating meat that had been sacrificed to idols, not eating any animal that had been strangled (not bled out), and blood.
But the Apostles seemed to all keep Old Testament Laws all through the Book of Acts.
The last being Acts 28:17 when Paul says he has never done anything against the Jews, therefore he had to have been keeping the Old Testament Laws.
Yes... the apostles were Jews, who still kept many of the Jewish laws and traditions.
There are Reformed churches today who keep these laws.
It seems that Old Testament Laws were not kept after the Apostles were gone, not while they were around.
Now the fact that just a few dietary laws were given to Gentiles to make it easy on them, where is our justification to ignore them for today?
Do you know anyplace that sells meat that has been offered to idols? Or meat from animals that have been strangled? Or, do you eat blood? I don't...
And the fact that you may not have liked the salvation methods of William Booth, is that any reason to criticize them if others choose his way?
I have no idea who William Booth is... can you enlighten me?
What you are talking about is judgment.
No, it is not. It is discernment. Do not try to paint me with a "judgment" brush.. I think that most people on this site will agree that I strive to be as non-judgmental as possible... but that is neither here nor there, as I don't have to prove myself to you.
Don't we have enough of that? (he asks, piously, hands folded, eyes upward...
just teasing you, brother)Are there not more important issues at hand then to pass down the law to others?
Please tell me what "law" it is that I am trying to pass down on others?
The people posting here that like to twist the scriptures to say what you want it to say, you might want to listen to this:
http://www.gty.org/MediaPlayer/sermons/2255
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. ~ Matthew 7:23If you argue with Scripture, if you twist the Scripture, if you manipulate the Scripture, if you force the Scripture to say what you want it to say you are not doing the will of the Father, you’re imposing your own will on the Word of God. And you may be a part of the many, not the few.You have failed, perhaps, to come through the narrow gate. You come through the narrow gate. You know the law of God is perfect and you’re imperfect. You come through the narrow gate; you know there is a righteous standard that you can’t live up to. And instead of coming through with pride and egotism and demanding your rights, you come through with repentance, confession, humility, brokenness, contrition of heart and submission to the Lordship of Jesus Christ. There are many people deceived, beloved, many, many. Few find it.Comment by John MacArthur
http://www.gty.org/MediaPlayer/sermons/2255
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. ~ Matthew 7:23If you argue with Scripture, if you twist the Scripture, if you manipulate the Scripture, if you force the Scripture to say what you want it to say you are not doing the will of the Father, you’re imposing your own will on the Word of God. And you may be a part of the many, not the few.You have failed, perhaps, to come through the narrow gate. You come through the narrow gate. You know the law of God is perfect and you’re imperfect. You come through the narrow gate; you know there is a righteous standard that you can’t live up to. And instead of coming through with pride and egotism and demanding your rights, you come through with repentance, confession, humility, brokenness, contrition of heart and submission to the Lordship of Jesus Christ. There are many people deceived, beloved, many, many. Few find it.Comment by John MacArthur
Scriptures don't teach women are not allowed to teach. Scriptures are clear:
You are absolutely right and I'm glad that the Holy Spirit has finally gotten through to you.
So i agreed with what you said, and apparently you think that i disagreed with you. Where is your Love?
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DiscipleDave
This is referred to as a diversion tactic. What i said above is specifically concerning what you said to another. The reply given back has nothing to do with what you said, but diverted from that topic back to him.
Yes we are most certainly suppose to address any false teaching that you see, this is True, but as i said above it was your method of addressing the teaching that i responded to. Yes we are to respond to false teaching, yes we are to reprove, yes we are to rebuke, yes we are to exhort. BUT all of it is to be done in LOVE, not accusing falsely, not name calling, not saying things that belittles or puts down others, these things are not from God but from his enemy the devil. Let your Yes be Yes and your No be No, anything more than that is evil.
If you feel he is teaching something that is false, then address that specifically, but calling names, or degrading someone is not of God, but is only going to invoke a negative response in return, which is not edifying the other. In Truth when a person call someone else a name or belittles another, how have they not put themselves ABOVE the other? This also is not of God.
Again, you are saying things that you do not know, how is it you are not falsely accusing me now? Have i ever said Jesus was wrong? Have i ever said anything even remotely what you are accusing me of now? Who is whispering these things to you? Who is telling you that is what is according to me?
Jesus can call whoever He want, whatever He wants, If He wants to call them vipers, and snakes, and whited walls, and many other things He has called them, that is Jesus. He is the Son of God, creator of the Universe and everything in it. All judgement belongs to Him. NOT TO US. Jesus is not wrong for calling them vipers, He is the JUDGE. But for me or you to call another vipers, which is not to Judge, is sinful and is against God.
And now you insult my intelligence, Again, i ask, Where is your LOVE. If LOVE lived inside of you, you would not be doing or accusing things as you do. But there is HOPE, Jesus Loves you, and He is willing to come and live inside of you, and when He does, LOVE will radiate out from you like a glow, and you will never again desire to try to upset anyone, you will LOVE them, you LOVE your enemies, you will Bless them that curse you, You will have a peace that surpasses all understanding, and not the anger that appears to reside in you now.
DiscipleDave is a screen name for ChristianChat.com. i am a prophet of the Most High God.
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DiscipleDave
i love you brother, and i forgive you no matter what you decide to do.
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DiscipleDave
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In the eyes of man, man saw a woman as less than a man, that's because men still lacked understanding, that in the eyes of God, He sees male and female as one. When a man and woman become one in the flesh, that means the spirit of both is one in the man and one in the woman spirit wise but yet they are still separate flesh.
Men are to do the leading in a church of men and women, that is as easy to recognize and understand from scripture as anything written in the bible. It is amazing to see puny humans defy God is this area and act as if they have got away with it. To know God is to know that you will reap what you sow and to disobey God is the most dangerous thing you can do.
Therefore it's good to be certain about what God has said, and not be sidetracked by translations made by men with agendas. If you are to understand the Bible, you do well to learn and apply the rules of sound biblical interpretation. What is "easy to understand" in isolation may be understood differently when considered in context.
Men are to do the leading in a church of men and women, that is as easy to recognize and understand from scripture as anything written in the bible. It is amazing to see puny humans defy God is this area and act as if they have got away with it. To know God is to know that you will reap what you sow and to disobey God is the most dangerous thing you can do.
Therefore it's good to be certain about what God has said, and not be sidetracked by translations made by men with agendas. If you are to understand the Bible, you do well to learn and apply the rules of sound biblical interpretation. What is "easy to understand" in isolation may be understood differently when considered in context.
Interpretations belong to God NOT TO MEN.
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DiscipleDave
It appears that you are referencing 2 Peter 1:20 (it would be helpful if, when you say that 'Scripture says clearly' that you give the reference). If so, you are misreading it. The context is prophecy, not interpretation of the basic text.
By applying the word the way you do here, you are... interpreting, doing the very thing you condemn. Consider the following... if we were to just follow the word:
"Judas went and hanged himself."
"Go and do thou likewise."
"What you are about to do, do it quickly."
Don't interpret it, just follow it? Umm, no, this is not the right way to handle the Scripture.
By applying the word the way you do here, you are... interpreting, doing the very thing you condemn. Consider the following... if we were to just follow the word:
"Judas went and hanged himself."
"Go and do thou likewise."
"What you are about to do, do it quickly."
Don't interpret it, just follow it? Umm, no, this is not the right way to handle the Scripture.
You can't tell me you folks cannot recognize and understand the scriptures that tell us that men are to led in a mixed assembly. It reminds me of this old cow that got into this fenced in area, I would drive her to this gate and she would run right past it as if she did not see it. This went on for about an hour until I went into a rage(I was 12 years old) and begin to chase the cow and beat her with this stick. After a while I stopped to get my breath and the cow made a bee line for the gate and went right through it. Of course the cow knew the gate was there, she just did not want to go through it. You all KNOW that the bible teaches that men are to led in a mixed assembly...you can accept it now or wait for God to give you a beating...your choice.
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God doesn't have to interpret anything because he inspired the written word but as men and fallible at that we have what is termed 'biblical hermeneutics' to properly interpret what the scriptures say. Part of that is already done by a translation and the rest of it is done by actually studying the word of God as a whole.
Sounds to me like you rely on a voice in your head to tell you what God's word says which means you're willing to open yourself up to satanic voices in order to know what the word of God says rather than studying it as Paul instructs us to do. 2 Tim 2:15
Sounds to me like you rely on a voice in your head to tell you what God's word says which means you're willing to open yourself up to satanic voices in order to know what the word of God says rather than studying it as Paul instructs us to do. 2 Tim 2:15
I am with you on most of the above -- except if you are going to say a woman should be veiled while praying or prophecying - just leave it at that - you have to really stretch it to get the "publicly, in the assembly is assumed" part?
I think these Scriptures about women teaching need to interpreted in their New Testament context, but we should not bring our twenty-first century American model and force it into the text.
Hope you got the popcorn ready. 1Cor 14:34 let your women keep silence in the churches for it is not permitted unto them to speak. For it is a shame for women to speak in the church. Tim 2:11 let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach or to usurp authority over the man. Read it and weep.