Word of Faith - a Look at what the Bible says!
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thats not what i was saying, but if you don't believe God heals in the supernatural, you cut of that aspect of healing. its like those who say they believe Jesus lived, and wasn't God, and don't clam Him as there savior. Or those who believe He was, that He was the son of God, but don't confess Him. they don't have salvation. same thing with healing, you can say "yeah He heals, one day He will when i see Him". and trust me i i was there when you were 13 i would have jumped up and slapped thos WoF'ers silly, that is not faith. i'm sorry you had that negative experience with WoF, but to push it off like that is the same kind of thinking that so many in the world have about God. they judge Him off the "christians" that have hurt them.
can i ask you and any one against WoF have you tested the material yourself? or just gone by snips of what was said and another opinion, fulled by negative experiences. have you gotten a WoF book yourself, read it and put it to the test with your own mind.
can i ask you and any one against WoF have you tested the material yourself? or just gone by snips of what was said and another opinion, fulled by negative experiences. have you gotten a WoF book yourself, read it and put it to the test with your own mind.
now you are exactly what OnceFallen is talking about. you are the kind of person in the WoF that will tell someone to believe in faith unto death.
you need to realize that that is a false teaching, that God also uses modern medicine, that every advancement saving life is a victory of God! yes lots of medication have side effects, and some are outright dangerous, but that does not negate all of it. you will kill people with your words if you push them away from doctors to just rely on the supernatural, and that is not the will of God.
you need to realize that that is a false teaching, that God also uses modern medicine, that every advancement saving life is a victory of God! yes lots of medication have side effects, and some are outright dangerous, but that does not negate all of it. you will kill people with your words if you push them away from doctors to just rely on the supernatural, and that is not the will of God.
Sometimes, these anachronisms really bother me. The fact is, Marcus Welby started the year you were born. It ended when you were 7 years old. Of course, it is on-line in various places, but why would a vehement anti-med person like yourself watch a show about a DOCTOR?? And an old, dated show about a doctor?
I would have thought you would have compared Doctor Jesus to maybe, Gray's Anatomy? Something more around your age?
Because Marcus Welby is so old, even I haven't watched it! Well, maybe a few times, when I wasn't studying for high school exams! And I am old.
So does that make you older than me? Does that make everything you say, false? Are you a troll masquerading as a Wofer? Something is just not right here. I have suspected this before, but your reference to Marcus Welby really, really dates you!
Of course, even though you almost never use the Bible, you are nasty and cruel in your posts, it is the fact that you just put yourself in a different age bracket than what is on your profile that makes me suspect you are not who you say you are!!
[FONT="]14 And when they were come to the multitude, there came to him a certain man, kneeling down to him, and saying,[/FONT]
[FONT="]15 Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water.[/FONT]
[FONT="]16 And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him.[/FONT]
[FONT="]17 Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.[/FONT]
[FONT="]18 And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.[/FONT]
[FONT="]19 Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out?[/FONT]
[FONT="]20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
no but the disciples GIFTED by Christ did...[/FONT]
[FONT="]15 Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water.[/FONT]
[FONT="]16 And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him.[/FONT]
[FONT="]17 Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.[/FONT]
[FONT="]18 And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.[/FONT]
[FONT="]19 Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out?[/FONT]
[FONT="]20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
no but the disciples GIFTED by Christ did...[/FONT]
yeah but you being sick is not suffering for the sake of the Gospel. and you don't have to have a life of suffering just because the world does, God heals. yes one day we will die, and yes it may be for the sake of the Gospel suffering for His sake. but you don't have to die in a bed of sickness that you have been on most of your life.
And I disagree with this first statement. I worked as a chaplain in long term care for almost 2 years. In that time, the only people I knew that were "ready to go home" in the sense that they wanted to die, were people who were actively dying, and generally died within a few days to a week.
God has placed an incredible drive within us so that when we are sick, rather than wanting to die, we want to get better. Some may struggle with a hard diagnosis, true, I know I did! But if I said I wanted to die sometimes, signifying to others I was suicidal, I was really using the wrong words. I wanted to be out of the state of being totally disabled and in pain. I was discouraged, and I turned to negative thoughts, liking escaping my body, instead of drawing closer to Jesus. And Jesus always brought me back.
My mother just had her knee replaced, something she has needed for years, but didn't want to do. Then she had some complicaitons, like the bleeding wouldn't stop, and then she got cellulitus, a serious infection that put her in the hospital for a week on IV antibiotics. During the first few days, my mother, who is depressed anyway, kept telling me she shouldn't have had the surgery, and she wanted to die.
Except, she really didn't want to die - she clings to life like no one else I know. What she wanted, whatever her words said, was for the incision to heal, the infection to go away, and to be on the road to recovery. So I calmly reassured her that things were going to be ok, the doctors were on top of things, and she would be better soon.
So what good came out of that surgery and the infection? Well, I had gone back home, 10 hours away. So her younger brother and his wife, a nurse, ended up caring for her. She was so grateful for them, and the chance to reconnect with the only remaining sibling she had. They were kind, loving and patient. They even picked up my brother who cannot drive, and took him to see her in the hospital.
When she got home, they continue to phone her and visit her weekly. And the leg and knee are much better - the incision is healed, and she can walk so much better. She didn't want to die - she just felt hopeless that things weren't going to get better. I haven't heard her this happy in years.
And for those who really are NOT going to get better, palliative care is wonderful these days. It is an incredible journey to walk with someone who is dying. I did that with my father, who had been saved 5 months when he died. We celebrated his life, our relationship, but most of all, we focused on God. I read him the gospel of Matthew. It was amazing how many of the questions he had about God were answered in those daily readings. We prayed together, a lot! I played him Christian music, and we sang hymns he remembered from his childhood.
My father wanted to live more than anything, despite his heart having been replaced with a foreign protein, amyloidosis. He wanted to meet his first great grandchildren. But God took him home, where he is safe in the arms of Jesus.
As for depression and suicide, another medical condition. I work with the mentally ill, I know what it is for these people to feel hopeless and seek reasons to die. But that is not because they are dying, but because they have a disease in their brain. So do not use the depressed as an example of people who want to die, because that is the definition of depression, in most cases.
Just my experience with suicide, death and dying
God has placed an incredible drive within us so that when we are sick, rather than wanting to die, we want to get better. Some may struggle with a hard diagnosis, true, I know I did! But if I said I wanted to die sometimes, signifying to others I was suicidal, I was really using the wrong words. I wanted to be out of the state of being totally disabled and in pain. I was discouraged, and I turned to negative thoughts, liking escaping my body, instead of drawing closer to Jesus. And Jesus always brought me back.
My mother just had her knee replaced, something she has needed for years, but didn't want to do. Then she had some complicaitons, like the bleeding wouldn't stop, and then she got cellulitus, a serious infection that put her in the hospital for a week on IV antibiotics. During the first few days, my mother, who is depressed anyway, kept telling me she shouldn't have had the surgery, and she wanted to die.
Except, she really didn't want to die - she clings to life like no one else I know. What she wanted, whatever her words said, was for the incision to heal, the infection to go away, and to be on the road to recovery. So I calmly reassured her that things were going to be ok, the doctors were on top of things, and she would be better soon.
So what good came out of that surgery and the infection? Well, I had gone back home, 10 hours away. So her younger brother and his wife, a nurse, ended up caring for her. She was so grateful for them, and the chance to reconnect with the only remaining sibling she had. They were kind, loving and patient. They even picked up my brother who cannot drive, and took him to see her in the hospital.
When she got home, they continue to phone her and visit her weekly. And the leg and knee are much better - the incision is healed, and she can walk so much better. She didn't want to die - she just felt hopeless that things weren't going to get better. I haven't heard her this happy in years.
And for those who really are NOT going to get better, palliative care is wonderful these days. It is an incredible journey to walk with someone who is dying. I did that with my father, who had been saved 5 months when he died. We celebrated his life, our relationship, but most of all, we focused on God. I read him the gospel of Matthew. It was amazing how many of the questions he had about God were answered in those daily readings. We prayed together, a lot! I played him Christian music, and we sang hymns he remembered from his childhood.
My father wanted to live more than anything, despite his heart having been replaced with a foreign protein, amyloidosis. He wanted to meet his first great grandchildren. But God took him home, where he is safe in the arms of Jesus.
As for depression and suicide, another medical condition. I work with the mentally ill, I know what it is for these people to feel hopeless and seek reasons to die. But that is not because they are dying, but because they have a disease in their brain. So do not use the depressed as an example of people who want to die, because that is the definition of depression, in most cases.
Just my experience with suicide, death and dying
yeah but they had the ability to... and didn't believe. thats why. the boy couldn't have even if he wanted to, he did not have a born again spirit.
the disciples were sent out with the gift to minister on Christ account, and had the Gift of Healing in Christ name.
and i don't have authority over OnceFallen, OnceFallen has authority over HIMSELF. and OnceFallen is still with us, so i assume through modern medicine he was healed(glory to God)
the disciples were sent out with the gift to minister on Christ account, and had the Gift of Healing in Christ name.
and i don't have authority over OnceFallen, OnceFallen has authority over HIMSELF. and OnceFallen is still with us, so i assume through modern medicine he was healed(glory to God)
if she was not taught healing is Gods will to all, and didn't believe in it, or if she was told of divine healing and rejected it. then i would say yes, because faith is a firm persuasion(actual definition.) and if you don't believe that persuasion, you lack it. hence lack faith.
listen i worked in the field, i have seen death, i have seen infants and old die alike. there are some things out there that are demonic and truly evil like SIDS. we don't have to suffer illness, but all will meet death one day. but when i hear a mom say i'm letting my little one go back to heaven after one word from a doctor, with no fight, it kills me. when i see people who are still alive and strong put on hospice, and just the shock, the SHOCK of the word hospice drains the life out of them. words have power. power to save and power to kill. God forbid if we got what we really ask for some times.
listen i worked in the field, i have seen death, i have seen infants and old die alike. there are some things out there that are demonic and truly evil like SIDS. we don't have to suffer illness, but all will meet death one day. but when i hear a mom say i'm letting my little one go back to heaven after one word from a doctor, with no fight, it kills me. when i see people who are still alive and strong put on hospice, and just the shock, the SHOCK of the word hospice drains the life out of them. words have power. power to save and power to kill. God forbid if we got what we really ask for some times.