Can You Speak in Tongues?

[notuptome]

Roger why be arrogant to people? "Whatever". Sure, have a difference of opinion, but don't be rude just for the sake of being rude?

So Roger, you are saying that I and other people can't and don't speak in tongues? Even when and though they do. You are still denying it and saying that it's a "familiar spirit"?

And by "familiar spirit" you mean; A familiar spirit is a demon that is summoned by a medium, with the intention that the spirit summoned will obey his or her commands. Often, familiar spirits are believed to be the spirits of people who have died (Duet. 18:11). Yes?

Roger dear brother, God HAS given me this gift. I am the OP and my testimonial to you is true. I told you how I came to speak in tongues. I told you that I was not able to do it before. I used to try but simply could not do it! It was only when I was prayed over and had the Holy Spirit bless me with it was I able to do it. Within that moment I literally burst out tears of joy speaking incomprehensible words I couldn't understand but was still able to say! I remember the experience very clearly even though it was many years ago in my early teens. This took place in a happy and loving Christian home.

I was not able to do so before this experience, as hard as I tried I just could not do it. It was only when the gift was given to me I was able to do it. It was a turning point in my life and it really helped me to grow up and turn into a man. Such a gift. It was what I needed to help me become more mature and confident in Christ.

I know you like to quote I Cor 13 and say that the gift of tongues is no longer given to men. But that is not exactly what that says. It is saying that love will always conquer and that includes you too.

Say what you will. It's a beautiful amazing thing. It brings praise and glory to God. It strengthens and encourages the believer. It brings peace and wellbeing to the soul. It makes God happy and it makes the person doing it happy. Why would you want to say anything other than that about it?

Acts 19 presents a group of vagabond Jews who were exorcists and did not operate in the Holy Spirit. These vagabond Jews were not Christians yet they imitated what the Christians were doing.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[ember]

The Holy Spirit is always obedient to the word of God. I understand your unbelief. You choose not to believe.God does not give that which He has said He is not going to give again until the end of the age. These sign gifts are promised not to Gentiles but to Israel. I think if prudent to seek another answer before accepting that one.Whatever.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The Holy Spirit is always obedient to the word of God. I understand your unbelief. You choose not to believe.

Well, it has become obvious that you cannot sway peole's faith with your vitriole and anger against those who deny your desire to cause people to doubt that speaking of tongues is still operative.

You have repeatedly stated and hinted that you believe peolpe who are speaking in tongues today are doing so by a demonic spirit.

Frankly, as I pointed out, your statement towards those who speak in tongues is sounding like a missile from the camp opposite the Holy Spirit.

I have had this same conversation with others who try to use Chapter 13 Of I Cor and they really cannot answer why they think that verse applies to the cessation of tongues. Oh, they will cite the verse as you have, but then become flustered and aggravated when it is put to them that it no proof.

If you look at that verse logically, it makes no sense whatsoever to come to the conclusion that tongues or any other spiritual gift has ceased.

8Love never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall be done away; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall be done away. 9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part; 10but when that which is perfect is come, that which is in part shall be done away.

The arguement goes that the perfect is the completed canon of scripture. The contention seems to be that Paul had a prophetic word from God that tongues, prophecy and knowledge were going to cease. These three gifts are lumped together by cessationists as 'sign' gifts designed to bring people into faith in Christ.

However this is a ridiculous arguement. Don't people need to be saved today? Has the Holy Spirit abdicated his God ordained role in our lives and in His interation in the world?

I have to wonder how it is that these people can affirm in one moment that God does not change and yet in the next try to convince everyone that the Holy Spirit has somehow mutated into a backseat driver that only occupies the role of helper and then only when someone is reading or studying scripture.

God is present in this world by His Spirit. His Spirit is everywere....Bibles are not. Bibles are not perfect folks. They just are not. People argue over translation and KJV only, hold all other translations as inferior and not to be trusted.

Knowledge has not ceased! Every time a person is saved, they come into the knowledge of the kingdom of God and every time a person is reborn, it is a miracle....no human being can regenerate a person's spirit or cause them to do a 180 on the road of their life.

To come to the conclusion that each person speaking or praying in tongues is doing so under the influence of evil, is an accusation of the devil's camp. The devil would like nothing better then for believers to forget all about the spiritual influence they have in the unseen world and become dried out twigs that argue back and forth over the meaning of words.

The conclusion is that if you don't speak in tongues, then, for you, tongues have ceased.

Well, how many people do not believe in Jesus Christ? For them, He is not their Savior.

Anger is not fruit from the Holy Spirit. Anger at other believers because they have experienced something that you have not experienced does not show the love that Jesus said believers would have for each other.

The fact that anger is the emotion that generally appears when a discussion on spiritual matters arises, from those who decry the fact tongues and other gifts are still operative in spite of the attempt by the devil to try to stamp them out, indicates that the authority by which that statement is made is not from God.

God has not drawn the final curtain. His love is longsuffering and He is not willing that any should perish. The confusion that exhibits itself in some Pentecostal or Charasmatic circles is due to a lack of teaching and an overabundance of zeal...very much like the Corinthian church that Paul addressed regarding the exact same issues.

I suppose that fact has gone over the heads of some, but the similarities are all there and so is the teaching outlined by Paul on how to conduct oneself when exercising the gifts that are given for the building up of the body of Christ.

 

[notuptome]

NOt everything is clear cut. I speak in tongues but in private, I could of course stand up in church and do this, or do it "to myslef" but out loud so other people hear, this of course is wrong, but it does not mean I have a demonic spirit influencing me to do it.

What language do you speak in private?

Saying people who speak in tongues in a church are under a spirit other than Holy SPirit is therefore not a good accusation to make. There are a lot of people who just make up rules and do what they like, including pastors and evangelists, some encourage the congregation to do this as a self gratification and showmanship thing as well.

Reminds me of the vagabond Jews in Acts 19 hence my concern.

AS Paul wrote to the churches to point out their errors in how they were conducting themselves, so it continues today. Someone standing up in Church speaking in tongue will do so if prompted by Holy Spirit, this happens several times a year in my church and someone gives an interpretation, they are messages and instructions addressed to the church. This is then reviewed and prayed over by the leadership. This is how it should be used.

What languages are spoken? Are these messages additional revelation or something less well defined?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Saved2004]

And speaking in tongues EDIFIES you. It literally makes you smarter, stronger, better.

I think the main point is from Paul, he said to use the gift to edify the church and NOT yourself. Also, if you can't edify the church only do it in private and he would rather you preach the gospel instead!

 

[notuptome]

Well, it has become obvious that you cannot sway peole's faith with your vitriole and anger against those who deny your desire to cause people to doubt that speaking of tongues is still operative.

You have repeatedly stated and hinted that you believe peolpe who are speaking in tongues today are doing so by a demonic spirit.

Frankly, as I pointed out, your statement towards those who speak in tongues is sounding like a missile from the camp opposite the Holy Spirit.

I have had this same conversation with others who try to use Chapter 13 Of I Cor and they really cannot answer why they think that verse applies to the cessation of tongues. Oh, they will cite the verse as you have, but then become flustered and aggravated when it is put to them that it no proof.

If you look at that verse logically, it makes no sense whatsoever to come to the conclusion that tongues or any other spiritual gift has ceased.

8Love never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall be done away; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall be done away. 9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part; 10but when that which is perfect is come, that which is in part shall be done away.

The arguement goes that the perfect is the completed canon of scripture. The contention seems to be that Paul had a prophetic word from God that tongues, prophecy and knowledge were going to cease. These three gifts are lumped together by cessationists as 'sign' gifts designed to bring people into faith in Christ.

However this is a ridiculous arguement. Don't people need to be saved today? Has the Holy Spirit abdicated his God ordained role in our lives and in His interation in the world?

I have to wonder how it is that these people can affirm in one moment that God does not change and yet in the next try to convince everyone that the Holy Spirit has somehow mutated into a backseat driver that only occupies the role of helper and then only when someone is reading or studying scripture.

God is present in this world by His Spirit. His Spirit is everywere....Bibles are not. Bibles are not perfect folks. They just are not. People argue over translation adnd KJV only, hold all other translations as inferior and not to be trusted.

Knowledge has not ceased! Every time a person is saved, they come into the knowledge of the kingdom of God and every time a person is reborn, it is a miracle....no human being can regenerate a person's spirit or cause them to do a 180 on the road of their life.

To come to the conclusion that each person speaking or praying in tongues is doing so under the influence of evil, is an accusation of the devil's camp. The devil would like nothing better then for believers to forget all about the spiritual influence they have in the unseen world and become dried out twigs that argue back and forth over the meaning of words.

The conclusion is that if you don't speak in tongues, then, for you, tongues have ceased.

Well, how many people do not believe in Jesus Christ? For them, He is not their Savior.

Anger is not fruit from the Holy Spirit. Anger at other believers because they have experienced something that you have not experienced does not show the love that Jesus said believers would have for each other.

The fact that anger is the emotion that generally appears when a discussion on spiritual matters arises, from those who decry the fact tongues and other gifts are still operative in spite of the attempt by the devil to try to stamp them out, indicates that the authority by which that statement is made is not from God.

God has not drawn the final curtain. His love is longsuffering and He is not willing that any should perish. The confusion that exhibits itself in some Pentecostal or Charasmatic circles is due to a lack of teaching and an overabundance of zeal...very much like the Corinthian church that Paul addressed regarding the exact same issues.

I suppose that fact has gone over the heads of some, but the similarities are all there and so is the teaching outlined by Paul on how to conduct oneself when exercising the gifts that are given for the building up of the body of Christ.

Your basic premise is flawed. The sign of tongues were never to bring people to Christ. They were at that time an evidence to the Jews that Gentiles were being saved just like the Jews were being saved. Jews would have seen tongues as a sign of judgment not blessing. Tongues brought to the Jewish memory the captivity of Israel and chastisement from the hand of God. Tie this to the religious Jews that rejected Christ as Messiah and crucified Jesus instead of receiving Him. Your position fails to account for the context of the time and the people involved. You see tongues as a modern Pentecostal and not as they were in the newly birthed church.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

And speaking in tongues EDIFIES you. It literally makes you smarter, stronger, better.

I think the main point is from Paul, he said to use the gift to edify the church and NOT yourself. Also, if you can't edify the church only do it in private and he would rather you preach the gospel instead!

I thought that was the purpose of Gods word.

It makes you sound like you are superior to other Christians because you have tongues. Which language do you speak?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[jb]

Reminds me of the vagabond Jews in Acts 19...

A word of warning to you Roger, your attitude against (some of the gifts of) the Holy Spirit certainly is bordering on 1Sam 15v23, especially when the Lord Jesus said specifically that the sign of "speaking with new tongues" would follow those who believe in Him! Mark 16v15-18

 

[notuptome]

A word of warning to you Roger, your attitude against (some of the gifts of) the Holy Spirit certainly is bordering on 1Sam 15v23, especially when the Lord Jesus said specifically that the sign of "speaking with new tongues" would follow those who believe in Him! Mark 16v15-18

Saul was consulting familiar spirits now wasn't he?

The long ending of Mark is not a good place to build doctrine. Drinking poison and handling deadly snakes is tempting God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[ember]

I thought that was the purpose of Gods word.

It makes you sound like you are superior to other Christians because you have tongues. Which language do you speak?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Perhaps that is the way you perceive Saved's post because you do not speak in tongues?

You cannot defend your opinion notuptome, because it is not biblical.

Insulting other believers, as you have done several times now, is divisive and shows an unwillingness to participate unless everyone agrees with you.

 

[notuptome]

Perhaps that is the way you perceive Saved's post because you do not speak in tongues?

You cannot defend your opinion notuptome, because it is not biblical.

Insulting other believers, as you have done several times now, is divisive and shows an unwillingness to participate unless everyone agrees with you.

You have devolved into a discussion that has no meaning. I have shown biblical evidence and you dismiss it because you do not believe it. My responsibility is to show what Gods word says I am not responsible for your believing or not believing you are.

If you have been insulted it was not because I did so intentionally. Gods word is the only thing that must be agreed upon. Opinions are only opinions but they should be biblically based.

Tongues that are not human languages are not biblical tongues. So I will ask again what language do you speak when you speak in tongues?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[ember]

Your basic premise is flawed. The sign of tongues were never to bring people to Christ. They were at that time an evidence to the Jews that Gentiles were being saved just like the Jews were being saved. Jews would have seen tongues as a sign of judgment not blessing. Tongues brought to the Jewish memory the captivity of Israel and chastisement from the hand of God. Tie this to the religious Jews that rejected Christ as Messiah and crucified Jesus instead of receiving Him. Your position fails to account for the context of the time and the people involved. You see tongues as a modern Pentecostal and not as they were in the newly birthed church.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The sign of tongues were never to bring people to Christ.

I'm not sure you have done your homework on this one Roger. Take a look at these verses:

So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe. I Cor 14:22...Paul is giving instructions on the proper use of tongues

the 2nd chapter of Acts records the event when the Holy Spirit fell upon those in the upper room.

Read the chapter...I won't post it because that will stretch this post beyond interest, but for those who want the truth about whether or not tongues are also for signs....v.41 makes note of this fact:

41Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

3000 people were recorded as becoming believers because they heard the gospel in their own tongue, as Acts 2: 4-8 records

4All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[SUP]a[/SUP]as the Spirit enabled them.5Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken. 7Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? 8Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language?

Tongues are also for use in a congregation and also for the personal edification of the believer as has already been pointed out. It seems you are somewhat ignorant concerning the biblical teaching on tongues as has been evidenced throughout your responsive posts. It is damaging, I would think, to accuse others of sloppy exegesis or doctrine and accuse other believers of having a demonic spirit when you do not even grasp the subject being discussed.

I'm not trying to insult you. I am pointing out your lack of understanding on the subject of tongues while telling everyone else that you are the authority on it.

Jews would have seen tongues as a sign of judgment not blessing. Tongues brought to the Jewish memory the captivity of Israel and chastisement from the hand of God.

That is nonsense. There is no support for that...it is conjecture...pure conjecture. The Bible records all these nationalities together as evidence of salvation being available to all, and yet somehow you see it as chastisement or God's anger?

Here is what the Bible actually states in Acts 2:

36“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”37When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”

See? They were not rejecting tongues or what Peter said...rather they were convicted...another function of the Holy Spirit...conviction of sins

Your position fails to account for the context of the time and the people involved.

Ah yes. The infallible historical period attempt at ignoring what the Bible actually says. Taking into account that 3000 people were added to the numbers of believers, it seems the Holy Spirit also ignored the possible insult to those gathered and the very very stretched possibility that Jews would be reminded of their re-occuring captivity at the hands of various nations...carted off because they would not listen to the prophets who literally begged them to repent while speaking under the influence of the Spirit of God.

There is a captivity being expressed in your post as well Roger. The captivity of trying to reason out the operation of the Holy Spirit through attempts at denying that same Spirit, His proper assignment given by God Himself.

These are serious accusations Roger. You should reconsider what you are trying to attempt here...which is to deny the Holy Spirit and attribute His work to a demon. I'm not sure you have considered the implications of doing such a thing and telling others they should do the same.

You see tongues as a modern Pentecostal and not as they were in the newly birthed church.

Well now, no I don't. First off, I'm not Pentecostal but while we are the subject, speaking in tongues is actually a cross denom occurence so it appears the wind really does blow where it will.



Conclusion: The first time tongues were heard, 3000 people converted to Christ...that was a display of the power of God through the Holy Spirit...conviction of sin, repentance and acceptance of Christ as Savior and God's gift to the world

However, Roger, you state that tongues is not a sign...even though it clearly is as I have referenced

You also state that the Jews would not have accepted tongues because they would have been:
having bad memories
suffering from fear of God

You obviously have to ignore what scripture actually records in order to write these fabrications

You conclude that I view speaking in tongues as a modern day Pentecostal experience rather then limit my view to what you conclude are the facts...which I have illustrated are erroneous at best and a deliberate tactic to divert at worst.

I'm not Pentecostal and people of many denoms speak in tongues...the Holy Spirit does not reside in only in Pentecostals

Your response, should you have one, should really take into account the Bible referenes that belie your statements to me.

If you just give your opinion again in a dismissive attempt to be the last to post, you are going to loose any credibility you may have thought you present

 

[jb]

Saul was consulting familiar spirits now wasn't he?

The long ending of Mark is not a good place to build doctrine. Drinking poison and handling deadly snakes is tempting God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The occurrence of Saul seeking familiar spirits is recorded AFTER 1Sam 15 (in 1Sam 28), NOT before it!

As regards your attitude to the final verses of Mark 16 (which is God breathed, 2Tim 3v16), have a look at Acts 28v3-6!

 

[presidente]

NOt everything is clear cut. I speak in tongues but in private, I could of course stand up in church and do this, or do it "to myslef" but out loud so other people hear, this of course is wrong, but it does not mean I have a demonic spirit influencing me to do it.

If you did that, and you were silent when there is no interpreter, how would that be wrong? (I Corinthians 14:27-28.)

 

[presidente]

It would be if I were but I'm just reading what God has written.

I Corinthians 10:11
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

If the ends of the ages had come in the first century, and you believe the gifts will be available at the end of the age, how can you argue that they are not available today? Your interpretation make no sense. The 'last days' started at least by Acts 2. We are still in them.

Gentiles spoke tongues so the Jews would see that it was the same Spirit poured out to them that was poured out to the Jews at Pentecost. Joel said that the Lord's Spirit would be poured out on all flesh but that those who dreamed and prophesied would be of Israel.

He did not say that only Jews would dream or prophesy. Peter said that the promise of the Spirit was for them that are afar off, and later was shown that the gift of the Spirit was also for the Gentiles. I Corinthians 12 shows us that Gentiles could prophesy as well by the Spirit.

The fact that Gentiles could have dreams and prophesy from God is already established in the Old Testament in Genesis, Job 33, Judges, and the book of Daniel. The outpouring of the Spirit on all flesh did not take away from this.

The diversity in the body which is the church is not in question nor are the diversities of the gifts the members in the body have to use for Gods glory. The issue is that three specific gifts have ended with the completion of the NT canon.

You seem to be imperfect in your knowledge of this issue. But you think others are lacking knowledge. When the perfect comes, we will know fully as we are fully known. Your participation in this thread disproves your interpretation of I Corinthians 13.

A sect within the body has revived these gifts and we see the evidence of abuse. Do we attribute this to God or man? My problem is that there is no real scriptural support for tongues today and the evidences in the body where they are present do not testify of Gods purity and holiness. Is this sect part of the body or is it something else?

Are you not coming behind if you are seeking that which cannot be obtained?

For the cause of Christ
Roger[/QUOTE]

 

[notuptome]

The occurrence of Saul seeking familiar spirits is recorded AFTER 1Sam 15 (in 1Sam 28), NOT before it!

As regards your attitude to the final verses of Mark 16 (which is God breathed, 2Tim 3v16), have a look at Acts 28v3-6!

The originals were God breathed. Where the translations depart from the originals they are no longer God breathed. Where the long ending of Mark differs from the other gospels I advise caution with regard to doctrinal positions. I'm not going to cut it out but I'm not going to get real dogmatic on it unless its supported elsewhere in scripture. I would not test the Lord by picking up deadly vipers. I do believe that God protects us everyday from harm and we often have no idea that it happened. That does not mean that I'm going to go out and try to get bitten by a viper just to prove God. I seriously question any interpretation and application of Mark 16 that leads to that kind of behavior.

As for Saul so what? How does that support your position?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

I Corinthians 10:11
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

Please establish the context for this in our discussion.

If the ends of the ages had come in the first century, and you believe the gifts will be available at the end of the age, how can you argue that they are not available today? Your interpretation make no sense. The 'last days' started at least by Acts 2. We are still in them.

God has chosen the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. God did not choose the sign of tongues to save them who experience them.

He did not say that only Jews would dream or prophesy. Peter said that the promise of the Spirit was for them that are afar off, and later was shown that the gift of the Spirit was also for the Gentiles. I Corinthians 12 shows us that Gentiles could prophesy as well by the Spirit.

The fact that Gentiles could have dreams and prophesy from God is already established in the Old Testament in Genesis, Job 33, Judges, and the book of Daniel. The outpouring of the Spirit on all flesh did not take away from this. Joel 2 28

The Lord will pour out His Spirit upon all flesh ... this is salvation by grace. The word changes from all to your sons and daughters speaking to Israel not all flesh regarding prophecy, your old men not all old men meaning Israel shall dream dreams, and your young men not all young men shall see visions. Joel places this at the end of the age at the time of Christ's return. It is the latter rain in abundance that will fill the threshing floors with the harvest. This is all about Israel and not the church. Peter was clear that Pentecost was not a complete fulfillment of Joel 2.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

I'm not sure you have done your homework on this one Roger. Take a look at these verses:

So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe. I Cor 14:22...Paul is giving instructions on the proper use of tongues

Verse 21 places verse 22 into context. Whom is Paul addressing?

I'm not trying to insult you. I am pointing out your lack of understanding on the subject of tongues while telling everyone else that you are the authority on it.

Cute your opinion is fact then right?

That is nonsense.

Here we agree.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Rudimental]

Acts 19 presents a group of vagabond Jews who were exorcists and did not operate in the Holy Spirit. These vagabond Jews were not Christians yet they imitated what the Christians were doing.

So what are you saying then exactly brother? That I'm not a Christian and only imitate what Christians do? Aren't we as Christians supposed to imitate Christ?

1 Corinthians 11:1 Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.

Yet I became born again when I was like 9 years old and believed with a childlike faith and have been a believer ever since. I believe that if we confess with our tongue and believe in our heart that Christ was saved then we shall be too. I believe that any sins we do after them are covered by the Holy Spirit (love) because we are already born again and saved. The only sin not forgiven is that of denying Christ. That is grace!

Are you saying that all that is wrong and that I'm not a Christian that cannot speak in tongues?

If so I think it is you that we need to sit down and pray over for the Holy Spirit to help you speak in tongues until you burst out into tears of Joy doing it too. Let's make a date?

It would be if I were but I'm just reading what God has written.
Gentiles spoke tongues so the Jews would see that it was the same Spirit poured out to them that was poured out to the Jews at Pentecost. Joel said that the Lord's Spirit would be poured out on all flesh but that those who dreamed and prophesied would be of Israel.

The diversity in the body which is the church is not in question nor are the diversities of the gifts the members in the body have to use for Gods glory. The issue is that three specific gifts have ended with the completion of the NT canon.

A sect within the body has revived these gifts and we see the evidence of abuse. Do we attribute this to God or man? My problem is that there is no real scriptural support for tongues today and the evidences in the body where they are present do not testify of Gods purity and holiness. Is this sect part of the body or is it something else?

Are you not coming behind if you are seeking that which cannot be obtained?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Roger, do you really really think God is that banal that He would withhold His spirit from a true believer?

Yes, ACTS 2:1-4, Gods spirit burst in and everyone started speaking in tongues! And to that day the Christian has been able to speak in tongues. And will continue to do so until the end of time and for all eternity Roger!

S.I.T glorifies God!

Don't you think if God didn't want people to speak in tongues, that He would have put more emphasis on making that clear other than the one verse that talks about gifts given in I Cor 13?

It's a gift given to man since the day of Pentecost.

How come the unbeliever cannot do it?

You don't think that speaking in tongues should be done or can be done anymore?

You are a faithless believer if so Roger. It's sad that if you would think like that brother.

It's a gift to be used! Believe man! The Christian that loves God and speaks in tongues knows whether its right or not.

For Roger's cause.
Rudi.

 

[presidente]

Verse 21 places verse 22 into context. Whom is Paul addressing?Cute your opinion is fact then right?
Here we agree.

Paul is quoting Isaiah to an audience predominantly made up of former idol worshippers as we see in chapter 12. Paul explains the point he makes out of Isaiah with an illustration in chapter 14. There is no reason to think that he secretly means something completely different from the explicit point he makes in the passage.

 

[Zmouth]

A word of warning to you Roger, your attitude against (some of the gifts of) the Holy Spirit certainly is bordering on 1Sam 15v23, especially when the Lord Jesus said specifically that the sign of "speaking with new tongues" would follow those who believe in Him! Mark 16v15-18

If not mistaken, hasn't it be proven that the passage of Mark 16 was not included in the original text but rather added by the Church years later?

And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mark 16:17

Yet anyways, was English spoken back then?