All Da Single Ladies (Who Aren't After a Man's Money), Holla Back!!
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Colt ...
You clearly have some views on the matter of relationships between men and women. You may even have some biblical inoculation on the matter. However, it is clear from your posts in this thread that you are in need of some real-life experience and some good hermeneutics. You come across as self-righteous, opinionated and (despite your denial), sexist... not good qualities at any age.
You clearly have some views on the matter of relationships between men and women. You may even have some biblical inoculation on the matter. However, it is clear from your posts in this thread that you are in need of some real-life experience and some good hermeneutics. You come across as self-righteous, opinionated and (despite your denial), sexist... not good qualities at any age.
I came to this party late, but I'll respond to seoul's post (post #34):
I think the reason for this is not that these women are not appreciated, but that there is a double-standard in what women can say vs. what men can say and not get into hot water.
If a woman says "I thank God for all the men (on CC or wherever) who appreciate a woman for more than just her body and who don't objectify women and who do or don't [insert favorite stereotype here]" it's okay and she will not experience much fallout.
However, if a man says "I thank God for all the women (on CC or wherever) who are not gold-diggers and who are appreciative of other things a man may have to offer than and who do or don't [insert favorite stereotype here]" he will be seen as misogynistic.
It will be taken as a slam against womankind.
It will elicit such responses as "wow! I'm sorry you experienced whatever it was that hurt you so much that you think all women are this way!" or
"Perhaps if men in this society stepped up, then women wouldn't be so focused on..." or
"You seem to have such a low opinion of women. I feel sorry for the one who ends up with you."
And he would be given many arguments as to why women are not the way he described.
because basically, it's a back-handed compliment. The man would be seen as not praising the women who are demonstrating the admirable quality, but rather, slamming womankind for not.
So why can a woman say the things above, but a man can't. I dunno...why do any double-standards exist?
I think the reason for this is not that these women are not appreciated, but that there is a double-standard in what women can say vs. what men can say and not get into hot water.
If a woman says "I thank God for all the men (on CC or wherever) who appreciate a woman for more than just her body and who don't objectify women and who do or don't [insert favorite stereotype here]" it's okay and she will not experience much fallout.
However, if a man says "I thank God for all the women (on CC or wherever) who are not gold-diggers and who are appreciative of other things a man may have to offer than and who do or don't [insert favorite stereotype here]" he will be seen as misogynistic.
It will be taken as a slam against womankind.
It will elicit such responses as "wow! I'm sorry you experienced whatever it was that hurt you so much that you think all women are this way!" or
"Perhaps if men in this society stepped up, then women wouldn't be so focused on..." or
"You seem to have such a low opinion of women. I feel sorry for the one who ends up with you."
And he would be given many arguments as to why women are not the way he described.
because basically, it's a back-handed compliment. The man would be seen as not praising the women who are demonstrating the admirable quality, but rather, slamming womankind for not.
So why can a woman say the things above, but a man can't. I dunno...why do any double-standards exist?
K
Quote "It you bash men about how they don't make enough money, then you go to work. You patrol the streets in a patrol car, you fight the house fires, you win the wars,"
Pretty sure we have female firefighters,police and in the military this is 2016 right? I dont many woman that bash men for not making enough money,perhaps some do but many woman now a days make their own money.
Quote "The Bible says that women are supposed to respect and honor men, and submit to them."
Ahhh Christian men and women are to submit "one to another".
Well, finances are one of the leading causes for divorce.
People are weird, especially when it comes to money, religion, politics, and a few other certain topics.
As for women being gold diggers... I like to think that's not majoritatively true (at least in my case, certainly), but I have met a few who seemed to be in a relationship for what they could get out of it materially.
Plenty of music to this effect, though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5nwVIK7A6w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FTS2tdmyYM
...for example...
People are weird, especially when it comes to money, religion, politics, and a few other certain topics.
As for women being gold diggers... I like to think that's not majoritatively true (at least in my case, certainly), but I have met a few who seemed to be in a relationship for what they could get out of it materially.
Plenty of music to this effect, though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5nwVIK7A6w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FTS2tdmyYM
...for example...
C
A man can say that. Why not? A lot of women are after money. It amazed me on another American forum. They were all like: he has to have a job, lol one wanted someone who made 50k, most were like I don't care how much he makes but he must provide for us. Okay. Weird. My ex's second wife left him after 6 months because he had no money and no paid job. Lol I will laugh if revival breaks out and he has a normal income. He tries to work and sometimes has a job for a week, but it's hard these days. His wife is from Brazil. Her niece put her on a dating site to marry a rich Dutch guy, but she choose the poor one lol and then her niece was mad.
Actually, it has not been my experience that women are after all the stereotypical things mentioned in the OP. I see nothing wrong with a woman wanting a man with a job before she will consider him. I don't even think there is anything necessarily wrong with a woman wanting a man who makes a certain amount, as this could be an indicator of ambition, or lack thereof. Likewise, it would not be wrong for him to expect things from her, whether financial or household, a combination thereof, etc.
Anyway - I see a woman who wants a man with a decent job as practical and hardly a gold-digger. But I also see a woman who will leave a man because he may lose a job as lacking in character - he is better off without her.
Anyway - I see a woman who wants a man with a decent job as practical and hardly a gold-digger. But I also see a woman who will leave a man because he may lose a job as lacking in character - he is better off without her.
C
I think you should just make a difference between if a man is simply too lazy to provide or if he's in ministry or sick or whatever. I had 2 guys who were after my money. Now I don't earn much working 3 days but they thought: hey that's handy. Now I can go do my hobbies. If someone says they're not after money, consider if you would say yes if God asked you to marry a real poor person from Africa or something.