THE BRIDE OF CHRIST
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I have not given myself to certain areas of study, but I have things I plan to study once I am ready to move forward in my learning. I have had fellowship with some grace believers that speak on things I am not ready to pursue, but nonetheless I hear & see. In the beginning, because of the rebellion in God's heaven... the act of dividing the waters, was to create a domain or dominion or realm, whatever you prefer. This was a seperation of God's heaven and there was a barrier put in place dividing the heavens. The "heavenly places" became a dominion of darkness, filth removed from God's heaven. The earth was without form and void at this point. Eventually, dominion of earth is lost also, as we know.
Part of the cross work of Christ was about reconciling all things. By wisdom God took the wise in their own craftiness. The bible really is an amazing book with the eyes of faith & the mind of Christ. The marriage is about kingdoms & domains and includes specific members & inheritances within the household of God. The body types "flesh & bone" and "immortal glorious body" are for the fitting & function in the kingdom of God, which is a spiritual kingdom.
The pharisee's in the seat of the house of Moses did have this "spiritual" kingdom taken from them and given to another, the remnant "little flock" the Israel of God. (lk 12:32 kjv). The kingdom of heaven, John the baptist's call said was at hand, is a physical kingdom, hence the promises made unto the fathers, "land" and the prayer "thy kingdom come, thy will be done in earth", also why Peter asked Acts 1:6. The distinction in the houses or church and ministries is important to see, this why God gives the instruction "rightly divide the word of truth."
There are levels to the household, made up of kingdoms & dominions. Body types. Husband, wife, children, servants... this also has to do with the "all in all" of God. There really is a lot to say about these things, study I am lacking in. When the new man is caught away, this is part of something to do with the "fulness of Christ" and the secret that was kept hid in God, but revealed by revelation to Paul in the dispensation of the grace of God. The Father reclaimed the realm of the "heavenly places" by the Son. This is known as the plan of glory, (1 Cor 2:7-8; Eph 3:9-10 kjv). Christ is "spoiling" this realm's positions with the "filling" of the church the body of Christ, the new creature. That is why there are such terms as "the fulness of the gentiles" and "seated with Him in heavenly places" also, "translated into the kingdom of His dear Son"... part of the glorification of the Son included a kingdom.
Christ said to the twelve, " I appoint*unto you a kingdom, as*my Father hath*appointed*unto me" (lk 22:29-30 kjv). What this means is first things first in God's order... the heavenly places must be filled, the barrier removed, then the new Jerusalem will come down out of heaven, every eye will see. The city & the glory will be the light of the earth from the heavenly kingdom. Physical Jerusalem remains just that in the land, the throne of David is physical... there is a term about the kingdom of heaven on earth, the angels, "ascend" from here to the city new Jerusalem a kingdom of priests. The twelve tribes of the house of Israel were always meant to possess the land and be a peculiar treasure unto God and a vehicle of blessing on earth toward the nations, this is where the children and the servants of the household come in and the body type "flesh & blood", which cannot inherit the kingdom of God. The thousand year reign has purpose and the tree of life and I look forward to studying this all out when I am ready to give attention to the prophecy program, but I am still learning the things of the mystery program and my place in the Lord's body.
So that's just a mental outline I continue to note among fellowship with the saints of dispensationalism, called mid-acts dispensationalist.
Part of the cross work of Christ was about reconciling all things. By wisdom God took the wise in their own craftiness. The bible really is an amazing book with the eyes of faith & the mind of Christ. The marriage is about kingdoms & domains and includes specific members & inheritances within the household of God. The body types "flesh & bone" and "immortal glorious body" are for the fitting & function in the kingdom of God, which is a spiritual kingdom.
The pharisee's in the seat of the house of Moses did have this "spiritual" kingdom taken from them and given to another, the remnant "little flock" the Israel of God. (lk 12:32 kjv). The kingdom of heaven, John the baptist's call said was at hand, is a physical kingdom, hence the promises made unto the fathers, "land" and the prayer "thy kingdom come, thy will be done in earth", also why Peter asked Acts 1:6. The distinction in the houses or church and ministries is important to see, this why God gives the instruction "rightly divide the word of truth."
There are levels to the household, made up of kingdoms & dominions. Body types. Husband, wife, children, servants... this also has to do with the "all in all" of God. There really is a lot to say about these things, study I am lacking in. When the new man is caught away, this is part of something to do with the "fulness of Christ" and the secret that was kept hid in God, but revealed by revelation to Paul in the dispensation of the grace of God. The Father reclaimed the realm of the "heavenly places" by the Son. This is known as the plan of glory, (1 Cor 2:7-8; Eph 3:9-10 kjv). Christ is "spoiling" this realm's positions with the "filling" of the church the body of Christ, the new creature. That is why there are such terms as "the fulness of the gentiles" and "seated with Him in heavenly places" also, "translated into the kingdom of His dear Son"... part of the glorification of the Son included a kingdom.
Christ said to the twelve, " I appoint*unto you a kingdom, as*my Father hath*appointed*unto me" (lk 22:29-30 kjv). What this means is first things first in God's order... the heavenly places must be filled, the barrier removed, then the new Jerusalem will come down out of heaven, every eye will see. The city & the glory will be the light of the earth from the heavenly kingdom. Physical Jerusalem remains just that in the land, the throne of David is physical... there is a term about the kingdom of heaven on earth, the angels, "ascend" from here to the city new Jerusalem a kingdom of priests. The twelve tribes of the house of Israel were always meant to possess the land and be a peculiar treasure unto God and a vehicle of blessing on earth toward the nations, this is where the children and the servants of the household come in and the body type "flesh & blood", which cannot inherit the kingdom of God. The thousand year reign has purpose and the tree of life and I look forward to studying this all out when I am ready to give attention to the prophecy program, but I am still learning the things of the mystery program and my place in the Lord's body.
So that's just a mental outline I continue to note among fellowship with the saints of dispensationalism, called mid-acts dispensationalist.
Oh Yes (and I was in the same situation). In fact, this group of "remnants" you refer to - who are getting drawn to the ways of the early Apostles - are actually some of the people I'm talking about; the portion being set-apart from the greater body. 2nd Adam's "rib" (so to say) that's taken from him.
As you know, a rib was taken from Adam to form Eve, and Adam said "this is bone of *my* bone; flesh of *my* flesh". So Eve was still just as much a part of Adam's body as his own body...but she was also "the bride" formed *from* his body. Likewise, I believe those who are drawn back to the ways of the Apostles (Malachi 4:6) are among those being "set apart" from the greater body of Christ for this different role, and yet they are still as much a part of the body as any other believer. I believe God will begin forming The bride (New Jerusalem) from them.
(As far as my explanation goes) labels like "Body of Christ" and "Bride" are spiritual terms explaining certain relationships/roles we all have in God's overall plan. But we're all still Christ's. We're all still one, we just have different roles to play.
This is all happening in the spirit.
Well I'll leave you to your judgments, Elin, while I do my dance.
As you know, a rib was taken from Adam to form Eve, and Adam said "this is bone of *my* bone; flesh of *my* flesh". So Eve was still just as much a part of Adam's body as his own body...but she was also "the bride" formed *from* his body. Likewise, I believe those who are drawn back to the ways of the Apostles (Malachi 4:6) are among those being "set apart" from the greater body of Christ for this different role, and yet they are still as much a part of the body as any other believer. I believe God will begin forming The bride (New Jerusalem) from them.
(As far as my explanation goes) labels like "Body of Christ" and "Bride" are spiritual terms explaining certain relationships/roles we all have in God's overall plan. But we're all still Christ's. We're all still one, we just have different roles to play.
This is all happening in the spirit.
Well I'll leave you to your judgments, Elin, while I do my dance.
Elin, you sounds like you have a good understanding of Hebrews, However in order to prove your point you have to make up a story...
you only selected "new Jerusalem" to argue your point without even considering the whole list...
Again, you shows deceit just to prove your point..
Gal 4:24 This is being said as an allegory, for these women represent two covenants. The one woman, Hagar, is from Mount Sinai, and her children are born into slavery.
Gal 4:25 Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to present-day Jerusalem, because she is in slavery along with her children.
Gal 4:26 But the heavenly Jerusalem is the free woman, and she is our spiritual mother.
Heavenly Jerusalem is our Spiritual mother.....WE ARE CHILDREN...
LET ME ASK YOU ELIN, WHO IS YOUR SPIRITUAL FATHER????
The Father married your mother Elin...and you are their children....do you consider you as married to your father?
the Holy City, the New Jerusalem is the Bride....
The Church is the Body...
You have misrepresented Heb 12, taken Eph 5:24-32 out of its context...and all you want is to STICK inside your head that the church is the bride, without even finding a single verse to prove your belief. SO SAD.
you only selected "new Jerusalem" to argue your point without even considering the whole list...
Again, you shows deceit just to prove your point..
Gal 4:24 This is being said as an allegory, for these women represent two covenants. The one woman, Hagar, is from Mount Sinai, and her children are born into slavery.
Gal 4:25 Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to present-day Jerusalem, because she is in slavery along with her children.
Gal 4:26 But the heavenly Jerusalem is the free woman, and she is our spiritual mother.
Heavenly Jerusalem is our Spiritual mother.....WE ARE CHILDREN...
LET ME ASK YOU ELIN, WHO IS YOUR SPIRITUAL FATHER????
The Father married your mother Elin...and you are their children....do you consider you as married to your father?
the Holy City, the New Jerusalem is the Bride....
The Church is the Body...
You have misrepresented Heb 12, taken Eph 5:24-32 out of its context...and all you want is to STICK inside your head that the church is the bride, without even finding a single verse to prove your belief. SO SAD.
I guess that depends on one's perspective.
What is a "story" to one is correct interpretation of the allegory to another.
Okay, you lost me there.
I thought it was self evident why I used that particular description of the church in the list since our subject is the church as the New Jerusalem.
However, all in the list are a description of the church.
So what is it I need to consider in the writer's list describing the church?
You've lost me again.
Gal 4:25-26 is an allegory of comparison using the two mothers, Hagar and Sarah,
one a slave and the other free, to represent the Old (Sinaitic) Covenant and the
New Covenant in Christ, wherein the Jerusalem that is above represents those who are free in Christ
in the New Covenant, which is with the NT people of God, the church.
I note that the heavenly Jerusalem is allegorized as those free in Christ in the New Covenant,
which is the church, and not as those who are slaves under the law in the Old Covenant.
That is the point of the allegory.
It's not a statement about motherhood, it's an allegorical comparison of slavery and
freedom under the two covenants, using motherhood as the vehicle of allegory to
represent slavery under the law and freedom in Christ.
That's not what the text states. . .the word "spiritual" is not in the Greek.
And your addition of it alters the meaning of the text.
In terms of the allegory, she is our allegorical mother, not our spiritual mother.
It's an allegory, about slavery and freedom, not about motherhood.
As citizens of the heavenly city of God in which Christ reigns, its citizens are children of the city.
Irrelevant. . ."spiritual" is not in the text.
Those are assertions without demonstration and, therefore, have no merit.
Eph 5:31-32 couldn't be clearer on the relation of the church to the Lamb, Christ Jesus;
i.e., the church is the bride of the Lamb.
And even in the allegory of Gal 4:25-26, the New Jerusalem represents the free in Christ,
which is the church.
And that New Jerusalem is the Bride of the Lamb.
What is a "story" to one is correct interpretation of the allegory to another.
Okay, you lost me there.
I thought it was self evident why I used that particular description of the church in the list since our subject is the church as the New Jerusalem.
However, all in the list are a description of the church.
So what is it I need to consider in the writer's list describing the church?
You've lost me again.
Gal 4:25-26 is an allegory of comparison using the two mothers, Hagar and Sarah,
one a slave and the other free, to represent the Old (Sinaitic) Covenant and the
New Covenant in Christ, wherein the Jerusalem that is above represents those who are free in Christ
in the New Covenant, which is with the NT people of God, the church.
I note that the heavenly Jerusalem is allegorized as those free in Christ in the New Covenant,
which is the church, and not as those who are slaves under the law in the Old Covenant.
That is the point of the allegory.
It's not a statement about motherhood, it's an allegorical comparison of slavery and
freedom under the two covenants, using motherhood as the vehicle of allegory to
represent slavery under the law and freedom in Christ.
That's not what the text states. . .the word "spiritual" is not in the Greek.
And your addition of it alters the meaning of the text.
In terms of the allegory, she is our allegorical mother, not our spiritual mother.
It's an allegory, about slavery and freedom, not about motherhood.
As citizens of the heavenly city of God in which Christ reigns, its citizens are children of the city.
Irrelevant. . ."spiritual" is not in the text.
Those are assertions without demonstration and, therefore, have no merit.
Eph 5:31-32 couldn't be clearer on the relation of the church to the Lamb, Christ Jesus;
i.e., the church is the bride of the Lamb.
And even in the allegory of Gal 4:25-26, the New Jerusalem represents the free in Christ,
which is the church.
And that New Jerusalem is the Bride of the Lamb.
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True, and in this case you are making up story and not correctly interpreting the verses in questioned.
Here again is the list ….where the writers said, we come unto:
Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
Here's the list of above:
1. Mount Sion
2. The city of the living God
3. Heavenly Jerusalem
4. Innumerable company of Angels
5. General assembly and church of firstborn
6. God the judge of all
7. Spirits of just men made perfect
8. Jesus the mediator of new covenant
9. The blood of sprinkling
How about the innumerable company of angels? Is this the church?
That is when false teaching is born; when someone selects something only to suit they want to believe. The list does not define the Church as the New Jerusalem…It is a list where we come to:
Let me quote you
"the New Covenant in Christ, wherein the Jerusalem that is above represents those who are free in Christ
in the New Covenant, which is with the NT people of God, the church."
Where is this Jerusalem you said?
Where is the Church?
It does represent two mothers, but you forgot, it also talks of their children…
You can find it using ISV…and since KJV used “Mother” of us all...I will use that instead…
You might have missed one important thing:
The Present Jerusalem represents Hagar… SHE….AND HER Children are in Bondage…
Was the church present then? Were they in Jerusalem, back then?
Heavenly Jerusalem is future realization….the Church is present
When do we live in the heavenly city of God?
When that Heavenly Jerusalem is realized at the wedding…when she comes down from Heaven (Rev 21:2-3)
You can find it using ISV. Let us used “mother” then…
God (our Father) betrothed Jerusalem (Eze 16), The Lamb will marry the Bride (the New Jerusalem)….
You see why it is important…because it is where God dwells with his people….
New Jerusalem the Bride, God Father/Lamb hushband...and we are the children
It was clearly demonstrated, you just won’t ACCEPT it.
On the Contrary…the Church is the body of Christ…His FLESH AND BONE.
Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. v32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Why not look at the whole context… it is very basic, verse 31 said “for this cause”, WHAT CAUSE????
Does it not direct you to the verses prior to that…and look what at the verse before that;
Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
THAT is your CAUSE your Reason…why verse 31 was said….Christ is the Head, we are the Body AND THAT IS WHY, THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH.
And if you look the verses even prior to that…it Shows Christ love for the Church, not that it is the Bride but it is His body.
The Heavenly Jerusalem represents the mother: “the Heavenly city of God”
Her children, represents those who will live there, freed by Christ from the bondage of the Law.
The New Jerusalem is the Bride indeed...But the Church is the body of Christ.
Here again is the list ….where the writers said, we come unto:
Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
Here's the list of above:
1. Mount Sion
2. The city of the living God
3. Heavenly Jerusalem
4. Innumerable company of Angels
5. General assembly and church of firstborn
6. God the judge of all
7. Spirits of just men made perfect
8. Jesus the mediator of new covenant
9. The blood of sprinkling
How about the innumerable company of angels? Is this the church?
That is when false teaching is born; when someone selects something only to suit they want to believe. The list does not define the Church as the New Jerusalem…It is a list where we come to:
Let me quote you
"the New Covenant in Christ, wherein the Jerusalem that is above represents those who are free in Christ
in the New Covenant, which is with the NT people of God, the church."
Where is this Jerusalem you said?
Where is the Church?
It does represent two mothers, but you forgot, it also talks of their children…
You can find it using ISV…and since KJV used “Mother” of us all...I will use that instead…
You might have missed one important thing:
The Present Jerusalem represents Hagar… SHE….AND HER Children are in Bondage…
Was the church present then? Were they in Jerusalem, back then?
Heavenly Jerusalem is future realization….the Church is present
When do we live in the heavenly city of God?
When that Heavenly Jerusalem is realized at the wedding…when she comes down from Heaven (Rev 21:2-3)
You can find it using ISV. Let us used “mother” then…
God (our Father) betrothed Jerusalem (Eze 16), The Lamb will marry the Bride (the New Jerusalem)….
You see why it is important…because it is where God dwells with his people….
New Jerusalem the Bride, God Father/Lamb hushband...and we are the children
It was clearly demonstrated, you just won’t ACCEPT it.
On the Contrary…the Church is the body of Christ…His FLESH AND BONE.
Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. v32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Why not look at the whole context… it is very basic, verse 31 said “for this cause”, WHAT CAUSE????
Does it not direct you to the verses prior to that…and look what at the verse before that;
Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
THAT is your CAUSE your Reason…why verse 31 was said….Christ is the Head, we are the Body AND THAT IS WHY, THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH.
And if you look the verses even prior to that…it Shows Christ love for the Church, not that it is the Bride but it is His body.
The Heavenly Jerusalem represents the mother: “the Heavenly city of God”
Her children, represents those who will live there, freed by Christ from the bondage of the Law.
The New Jerusalem is the Bride indeed...But the Church is the body of Christ.
All I know is the true Tabernacle is not of this earth, and it is not the word Church.
I know this from Scripture and Christ said it clear to Peter that his kingdom is not of this earth
So reading Hebrews 8 tells me a lot about the true bride Christ and that Christ is the way, the truth and life. That today there is no other way to serve Father except in Spirit and truth, being citizens of Heaven right now in Spirit forsaking this flesh and this world daily in its physical traps, trusting God the Father for life in the Spirit daily as in the resurrected Christ
I know this from Scripture and Christ said it clear to Peter that his kingdom is not of this earth
So reading Hebrews 8 tells me a lot about the true bride Christ and that Christ is the way, the truth and life. That today there is no other way to serve Father except in Spirit and truth, being citizens of Heaven right now in Spirit forsaking this flesh and this world daily in its physical traps, trusting God the Father for life in the Spirit daily as in the resurrected Christ
while in the NT it is truth revealed, made known, manifested, preached, understood. (Col 1:26)
However, whatever the tense, it does not alter its meaning in the following:
"For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,
and the two will become one flesh.
This is a profound mystery--but I'm talking about Christ and the church."
The church is the body of Christ in the two-in-one-enfleshment of the marital union.
Your view means nothing as you deny the word of God by your own refusal to acknowledge the inspired word of God and the tenses of the verb given so as to (hang) your belief on scripture used out of context!
K
Yes Jesus does tell Peter that, but if you look further in scripture you will see like in Revelations where he is to establish his kingdom here on earth. When he spoke to Peter it had not yet been established. Now as for the church being the bride of Christ, why does it say New Jerusalem is the bride. That is simple when that takes place is after His kingdom has been established here on earth, and as we know by scripture the church or believers in Christ will be caught up to Heaven to be with the Lord. After that we will all be together again cause Heaven will be establish here on earth and will all be together.
No..it can be understood when all scriptures are taken in context to get the big picture as opposed to a limited view based upon a handful of scriptures and a regurgitated view of men that have refused to take the whole of the scriptures to see the truth, as well as a denial of (words) and tenses of verbs that have been inspired by God.
Absolutely! . . .that is what the text clearly states.
And I suspect the writer of Hebrews got it from the OT, where
the "angels" in Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7, in the Hebrew, are the "sons of God."
And then there's the angel in Rev 22:1 who states that he is a fellow servant with the NT saints,
and with their brothers the NT prophets, and of all who keep the words of this book (Rev 22:8-9).
4) Actually, it does.
The letter is to Hebrew Christians, and the list presents what they left (Mt. Sinai) in OT Judaism
in contrast to what they came to (Mt. Zion, the new Jerusalem) in the NT church.
And along with the angelic spirits in the church it also presents the spirits of the righteous OT saints,
such as Abel (11:4) and Noah (11:7);
spirits because they are still waiting for the resurrection where they will be re-united
with their resurrection bodies, and
righteous because God credited their faith to them as righteousness, as he did to Abraham (Ro 4:3).
The revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers
presents both the angelic spirits and the spirits of the redeemed as in the NT church.
6) Nothing was missed. . .do you know what an allegory is?
Can you not see what a desperate false argument this is,
applying the allegorical image or symbol, literally.
An allegory is not literal, it's the description of one thing under the image of another.
It is one thing used to symbolize another.
To "break into" the allegorical imagery (mothers, covenants, cities)
to include the literal (times of the images) destroys it as allegory.
8) NOT. . .it was asserted only.
Your misunderstanding of Heb 12 is amply demonstrated above, in # 2) and 4).
And the clear context of Eph 5:22-33 is an analogy between
the relationship of Christ to the church and
the relationship of husband to the wife,
wherein Paul states the profound truth of the union of Christ and his bride,
as the pattern of the marriage union between husband and wife.
9) You don't get the Biblical meaning of the marriage union, do you?
As his wife, the church is two-in-one-flesh with Christ; i.e., his body, his flesh and bone.
And Christ is the Lamb, whose bride is the New Jerusalem.
The wife (one in his flesh, his own body) of Christ is the church (Eph 5:31-32).
Christ is the Lamb (Jn 1:29, 36; 1Pe 1:19).
The bride of the Lamb is the New Jerusalem (Rev 21:9-10, 14b).
You must demonstrate the above are untrue, in order to demonstrate the following is untrue:
Therefore, the wife and bride of Christ, the Lamb, is the church, the New Jerusalem.
It's not complicated.
10) Yes, v. 31 is quoting Gen 2:24.
No it does not, that's not Paul talking (and "directing"), that's Moses talking, in Gen 2:24.
No it is not the cause. That is Gen 2:24, and the cause there is the making of Eve from Adam's own rib,
his own body.
That is the cause for which a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,
and they will become one flesh.
And that is the order God established at creation based on the pattern of the union of his Son
with those he redeemed, in God's plan to glorify himself through glorifying his Son in the
Church, wherein God's "manifold wisdom would be made know to the rulers and authorities in
the heavenly realms, according to his eternal purpose, which he accomplished in Christ Jesus
our Lord." (Eph 3:10-11)
And even in the allegory of Gal 4:25-26, the New Jerusalem represents the free in Christ,
which is the church.
And that New Jerusalem is the Bride of the Lamb.
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1) Well, you don't get to make that call, since perspective is subjective and,
therefore, yours is no more valid than mine.
3) Are you not the one who is selecting what not to believe in the list in # 2)?
5) The Jerusalem that is above is in v. 26.
The church (those who are free from the law in the new covenant) is in v. 26.
They are children of a city, its citizens.
7) So you are taking the symbolism here literally, and an animal marries a city, which is the mother of children?
And I suspect the writer of Hebrews got it from the OT, where
the "angels" in Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7, in the Hebrew, are the "sons of God."
And then there's the angel in Rev 22:1 who states that he is a fellow servant with the NT saints,
and with their brothers the NT prophets, and of all who keep the words of this book (Rev 22:8-9).
4) Actually, it does.
The letter is to Hebrew Christians, and the list presents what they left (Mt. Sinai) in OT Judaism
in contrast to what they came to (Mt. Zion, the new Jerusalem) in the NT church.
And along with the angelic spirits in the church it also presents the spirits of the righteous OT saints,
such as Abel (11:4) and Noah (11:7);
spirits because they are still waiting for the resurrection where they will be re-united
with their resurrection bodies, and
righteous because God credited their faith to them as righteousness, as he did to Abraham (Ro 4:3).
The revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers
presents both the angelic spirits and the spirits of the redeemed as in the NT church.
6) Nothing was missed. . .do you know what an allegory is?
Can you not see what a desperate false argument this is,
applying the allegorical image or symbol, literally.
An allegory is not literal, it's the description of one thing under the image of another.
It is one thing used to symbolize another.
To "break into" the allegorical imagery (mothers, covenants, cities)
to include the literal (times of the images) destroys it as allegory.
8) NOT. . .it was asserted only.
Your misunderstanding of Heb 12 is amply demonstrated above, in # 2) and 4).
And the clear context of Eph 5:22-33 is an analogy between
the relationship of Christ to the church and
the relationship of husband to the wife,
wherein Paul states the profound truth of the union of Christ and his bride,
as the pattern of the marriage union between husband and wife.
9) You don't get the Biblical meaning of the marriage union, do you?
As his wife, the church is two-in-one-flesh with Christ; i.e., his body, his flesh and bone.
And Christ is the Lamb, whose bride is the New Jerusalem.
The wife (one in his flesh, his own body) of Christ is the church (Eph 5:31-32).
Christ is the Lamb (Jn 1:29, 36; 1Pe 1:19).
The bride of the Lamb is the New Jerusalem (Rev 21:9-10, 14b).
You must demonstrate the above are untrue, in order to demonstrate the following is untrue:
Therefore, the wife and bride of Christ, the Lamb, is the church, the New Jerusalem.
It's not complicated.
10) Yes, v. 31 is quoting Gen 2:24.
No it does not, that's not Paul talking (and "directing"), that's Moses talking, in Gen 2:24.
No it is not the cause. That is Gen 2:24, and the cause there is the making of Eve from Adam's own rib,
his own body.
That is the cause for which a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,
and they will become one flesh.
And that is the order God established at creation based on the pattern of the union of his Son
with those he redeemed, in God's plan to glorify himself through glorifying his Son in the
Church, wherein God's "manifold wisdom would be made know to the rulers and authorities in
the heavenly realms, according to his eternal purpose, which he accomplished in Christ Jesus
our Lord." (Eph 3:10-11)
And even in the allegory of Gal 4:25-26, the New Jerusalem represents the free in Christ,
which is the church.
And that New Jerusalem is the Bride of the Lamb.
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1) Well, you don't get to make that call, since perspective is subjective and,
therefore, yours is no more valid than mine.
3) Are you not the one who is selecting what not to believe in the list in # 2)?
5) The Jerusalem that is above is in v. 26.
The church (those who are free from the law in the new covenant) is in v. 26.
They are children of a city, its citizens.
7) So you are taking the symbolism here literally, and an animal marries a city, which is the mother of children?
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No matter what your context and how big your picture, it will not overturn
the word of God in the NT teaching of Eph 5:22-33
where the clear context is as an analogy between
the relationship of Christ to the church and
the relationship of husband to the wife,
wherein Paul states the profound truth of the union of Christ and his bride,
as the pattern of the marriage union between husband and wife.
No context and big picture will overturn the Biblical meaning of the marriage union where
as his wife, the church is two-in-one-flesh with Christ; i.e., his body, his flesh and bone.
Nor context and big picture will overturn the clear NT teaching that
the wife (one in his flesh, his own body) of Christ is the church (Eph 5:31-32).
Christ is the Lamb (Jn 1:29, 36; 1Pe 1:19).
The bride of the Lamb is the New Jerusalem (Rev 21:9-10, 14b).
Your context and big picture must demonstrate the above word of God is untrue,
in order to maintain that the following is untrue:
Therefore, the wife and bride of Christ, the Lamb, is the church, the New Jerusalem.
Your context and big picture have a lot of clear Scripture to overcome to show
that the church is not the bride of Christ, his body, his flesh and bone,
in the two-in-one-enfleshment of the marriage union, which is God's pattern,
from before the foundation of the world, and in his creation order (Ge 2:4),
for the marriage union of husband and wife.
the word of God in the NT teaching of Eph 5:22-33
where the clear context is as an analogy between
the relationship of Christ to the church and
the relationship of husband to the wife,
wherein Paul states the profound truth of the union of Christ and his bride,
as the pattern of the marriage union between husband and wife.
No context and big picture will overturn the Biblical meaning of the marriage union where
as his wife, the church is two-in-one-flesh with Christ; i.e., his body, his flesh and bone.
Nor context and big picture will overturn the clear NT teaching that
the wife (one in his flesh, his own body) of Christ is the church (Eph 5:31-32).
Christ is the Lamb (Jn 1:29, 36; 1Pe 1:19).
The bride of the Lamb is the New Jerusalem (Rev 21:9-10, 14b).
Your context and big picture must demonstrate the above word of God is untrue,
in order to maintain that the following is untrue:
Therefore, the wife and bride of Christ, the Lamb, is the church, the New Jerusalem.
Your context and big picture have a lot of clear Scripture to overcome to show
that the church is not the bride of Christ, his body, his flesh and bone,
in the two-in-one-enfleshment of the marriage union, which is God's pattern,
from before the foundation of the world, and in his creation order (Ge 2:4),
for the marriage union of husband and wife.