SALVATION ONLY POSSIBLE WITHOUT WORKS!
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A dictionary is only as good as the men who wrote it. and is certainly not complete.
I used lexicons, and many of them.
I do not trust strongs, he is usually only basic. I used many. they can;t ALL be wrong
Strongs was one I used, get real man. Your making yourself look foolish.
Yes, as I showed in ALL my defenitions this is ONE of the ways in which it can be translated. But it is NOT the only way.
Not to mention. to be made right is what God did, What do you think this means?
it fits perfectly.
The law condemns, the penalty of the law is death, Thus all men are guilty as charged and must suffer the punishment.
to be justified means to be aquited of that guilty. to be set free of that guilt based on the redemption of Christ.
No,
I do not use it because it can nt show me what happened in the first century, Even the english language today is not the same as it was 400 years ago. But this is to hard for you to comprehend.
Why would I use it when i have the literal words written by God himself?
What jesus requires is the works of the spirit a ttrnsformed(circumcised heart ) to the immage of christ ,then if this is acomplished the outward will also show for it the works of God is a product of proffesed faith but nothing would be not possible if it werent for christ , it is christ that saved His righteoussness that saves us therefore it is Christ that does the works because we have rested from our own labors , you
I have read Matthew and I studied through Matthew (the whole bible) each year I was in the seminary...as well as studying the bible intently from 20 to 60 hours a week for the last 40 years.....
The work required is FAITH into the FAITH OF JESUS....it s sufficient, saves us, justifies us and ETERNALLY SEALS US TO ETERNAL LIFE brother....
WORKS cannot save and or ADD to our salvation.....salvation is a FREE GIFT VOID OF STIPULATIONS and OR HOOPS to JUMP through....
The work required is FAITH into the FAITH OF JESUS....it s sufficient, saves us, justifies us and ETERNALLY SEALS US TO ETERNAL LIFE brother....
WORKS cannot save and or ADD to our salvation.....salvation is a FREE GIFT VOID OF STIPULATIONS and OR HOOPS to JUMP through....
Clement (80-140 A.D.): So all of them received honor and greatness, not through themselves or their own deeds or the right things they did, but through his will. And we, therefore, who by his will have been called in Jesus Christ, are not justified of ourselves or by our wisdom or insight of religious devotion or the holy deeds we have done from the heart, but by that faith by which almighty God has justified all men from the very beginning. To him be glory forever and ever. Amen. (Clement, Clement's First Letter, 32.3-4) [1]
Justin Martyr (100-65 A.D.): No longer by the blood of goats and of sheep, or by the ashes of a heifer . . . are sins purged, but by faith, through the blood of Christ and his death, who died on this very account. [2]
Augustine (354-430 A.D.): “Having now to the best of my ability, and as I think sufficiently, replied to the reasonings of this author, if I be asked what is my own opinion in this matter, I answer, after carefully pondering the question, that in the Gospels and Epistles, and the entire collection of books for our instruction called the New Testament, I see that fasting is enjoined. But I do not discover any rule definitely laid down by the Lord or by the apostles as to days on which we ought or ought not to fast. And by this I am persuaded that exemption from fasting on the seventh day is more suitable, not indeed to obtain, but to foreshadow, that eternal rest in which the true Sabbath is realized, and which is obtained only by faith, and by that righteousness whereby the daughter of the King is all glorious within.” NPNF1: Vol. 1, Letter 36, 25. [3]
Hilary of Poitiers (c. 300-368)
“This was forgiven by Christ through faith, because the Law could not yield, for faith alone justifies.”
“fides enim sola justificat.”
In Evangelium Matthaei Commentarius, Caput VIII
Basil the Great (c. 329-379)
“[As the Apostle says,] Let him who boasts boast in the Lord, [I say that] Christ has been made by God for us righteousness, wisdom, justification, [and] redemption, that, as it is written, ‘he who boasts, let him boast in the Lord.’ [For] this is perfect and pure boasting in God, when one is not proud on account of his own righteousness but knows that he is indeed unworthy of the true righteousness and has been justified solely by faith in Christ.”
“πίστει δὲ μόνῃ τῇ εἰς Χριστὸν δεδικαιωμένον.”
Homilia XX, Homilia De Humilitate, §3, PG 31:529.
Jerome (c. 347-420)
“God justifies by faith alone.”
“Deus ex sola fide justificat”
In Epistolam Ad Romanos, Caput X, v. 3 (on Rom. 10:3)
Ambrosiaster (unknown author who wrote a commentary on Paul’s epistles c. 366-384)
“Paul backs this up by the example of the prophet David, who says that those are blessed of whom God has decreed that, without work or any keeping of the law, they are justified before God by faith alone.”
“sola fide justificentur apud Deum.”
Ambrosiaster
“They are justified freely because they have not done anything nor given anything in return, but by faith alone they have been made holy by the gift of God.”
“sola fide justificati sunt dono Dei.”
In Epistolam Ad Romanos, PL 17:79. (On Rom. 3:24)
Ambrosiaster
“How then can the Jews think that they have been justified by the works of the law in the same way as Abraham, when they see that Abraham was not justified by the works of the law but by faith alone? Therefore there is no need of the law when the ungodly is justified before God by faith alone.”
“quando impius per solam fidem justificatur apud Deum.”
In Epistolam Ad Romanos, PL 17:82-83. (On Rom. 4:5)
John Chrysostom (c. 347-407)
“Attend to this, ye who come to baptism at the close of life, for we indeed pray that after baptism ye may have also this deportment, but thou art seeking and doing thy utmost to depart without it. For, what though thou be justified: yet is it of faith only. But we pray that thou shouldest have as well the confidence that cometh of good works.”
- On the Second Epistle of St. Paul The Apostle to the Corinthians, Homily 2
John Chrysostom (c. 347-407)
“God’s mission was not to save people in order that they may remain barren or inert. For Scripture says that faith has saved us. Put better: Since God willed it, faith has saved us. Now in what case, tell me, does faith save without itself doing anything at all? Faith’s workings themselves are a gift of God, lest anyone should boast. What then is Paul saying? Not that God has forbidden works but that he has forbidden us to be justified by works. No one, Paul says, is justified by works, precisely in order that the grace and benevolence of God may become apparent.”
- Homily on Ephesians 4.2.9.
blatant lying. the ones who don't directly say faith saves (and some do), say it by using justified, and directly refuting that works save. any works.
add to lying, an unwillingness to accept God's ordained koine greek, and the inspired word he chose - justified.
looks like you need more good works to balance out your sin.
Justin Martyr (100-65 A.D.): No longer by the blood of goats and of sheep, or by the ashes of a heifer . . . are sins purged, but by faith, through the blood of Christ and his death, who died on this very account. [2]
Augustine (354-430 A.D.): “Having now to the best of my ability, and as I think sufficiently, replied to the reasonings of this author, if I be asked what is my own opinion in this matter, I answer, after carefully pondering the question, that in the Gospels and Epistles, and the entire collection of books for our instruction called the New Testament, I see that fasting is enjoined. But I do not discover any rule definitely laid down by the Lord or by the apostles as to days on which we ought or ought not to fast. And by this I am persuaded that exemption from fasting on the seventh day is more suitable, not indeed to obtain, but to foreshadow, that eternal rest in which the true Sabbath is realized, and which is obtained only by faith, and by that righteousness whereby the daughter of the King is all glorious within.” NPNF1: Vol. 1, Letter 36, 25. [3]
Hilary of Poitiers (c. 300-368)
“This was forgiven by Christ through faith, because the Law could not yield, for faith alone justifies.”
“fides enim sola justificat.”
In Evangelium Matthaei Commentarius, Caput VIII
Basil the Great (c. 329-379)
“[As the Apostle says,] Let him who boasts boast in the Lord, [I say that] Christ has been made by God for us righteousness, wisdom, justification, [and] redemption, that, as it is written, ‘he who boasts, let him boast in the Lord.’ [For] this is perfect and pure boasting in God, when one is not proud on account of his own righteousness but knows that he is indeed unworthy of the true righteousness and has been justified solely by faith in Christ.”
“πίστει δὲ μόνῃ τῇ εἰς Χριστὸν δεδικαιωμένον.”
Homilia XX, Homilia De Humilitate, §3, PG 31:529.
Jerome (c. 347-420)
“God justifies by faith alone.”
“Deus ex sola fide justificat”
In Epistolam Ad Romanos, Caput X, v. 3 (on Rom. 10:3)
Ambrosiaster (unknown author who wrote a commentary on Paul’s epistles c. 366-384)
“Paul backs this up by the example of the prophet David, who says that those are blessed of whom God has decreed that, without work or any keeping of the law, they are justified before God by faith alone.”
“sola fide justificentur apud Deum.”
Ambrosiaster
“They are justified freely because they have not done anything nor given anything in return, but by faith alone they have been made holy by the gift of God.”
“sola fide justificati sunt dono Dei.”
In Epistolam Ad Romanos, PL 17:79. (On Rom. 3:24)
Ambrosiaster
“How then can the Jews think that they have been justified by the works of the law in the same way as Abraham, when they see that Abraham was not justified by the works of the law but by faith alone? Therefore there is no need of the law when the ungodly is justified before God by faith alone.”
“quando impius per solam fidem justificatur apud Deum.”
In Epistolam Ad Romanos, PL 17:82-83. (On Rom. 4:5)
John Chrysostom (c. 347-407)
“Attend to this, ye who come to baptism at the close of life, for we indeed pray that after baptism ye may have also this deportment, but thou art seeking and doing thy utmost to depart without it. For, what though thou be justified: yet is it of faith only. But we pray that thou shouldest have as well the confidence that cometh of good works.”
- On the Second Epistle of St. Paul The Apostle to the Corinthians, Homily 2
John Chrysostom (c. 347-407)
“God’s mission was not to save people in order that they may remain barren or inert. For Scripture says that faith has saved us. Put better: Since God willed it, faith has saved us. Now in what case, tell me, does faith save without itself doing anything at all? Faith’s workings themselves are a gift of God, lest anyone should boast. What then is Paul saying? Not that God has forbidden works but that he has forbidden us to be justified by works. No one, Paul says, is justified by works, precisely in order that the grace and benevolence of God may become apparent.”
- Homily on Ephesians 4.2.9.
blatant lying. the ones who don't directly say faith saves (and some do), say it by using justified, and directly refuting that works save. any works.
add to lying, an unwillingness to accept God's ordained koine greek, and the inspired word he chose - justified.
looks like you need more good works to balance out your sin.
K
Works do not save...yes...however by not doing works you can take that salvation away from yourself.
The ones in Matthew 25:45 believed in Jesus, which is why they were pleading with Him as to why they were still going to eternal punishment. Jesus flat out tells them because they did not do the works of helping others who were in need.
The ones in Matthew 25:45 believed in Jesus, which is why they were pleading with Him as to why they were still going to eternal punishment. Jesus flat out tells them because they did not do the works of helping others who were in need.
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Sorry
James said mere belief will not save anyone, All the people James spoke to believed also. Yet he said their faith was dead. Even demons believe, how well would it save them.
Not to mention Jesus told us the very thing I posted. in John 3, and paul repeated it to the thesselonian church.
Condemnation is do to unbelief (lack of faith.)
Mere belief (ie saying a sinners prayer with no repentnance or faith) will not save you Never has never will.
let's see if we can keep this simple for you.
paul: justified (declared righteous) freely by grace through faith (reckoned/counted/imputed as righteousness). saved. eternally, given GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT as a downpayment until God takes possession.
james: justified (shown to be righteous) by works.
no contradiction.
a justified man with a new heart will do good things, thereby being shown to be righteous (justified).
paul: justified (declared righteous) freely by grace through faith (reckoned/counted/imputed as righteousness). saved. eternally, given GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT as a downpayment until God takes possession.
james: justified (shown to be righteous) by works.
no contradiction.
a justified man with a new heart will do good things, thereby being shown to be righteous (justified).
K
Yes but having faith in some one also means you have faith in what they say as well. Jesus says you must do good works or He will spit you out. You can not say and confess Jesus as Lord and Savior, and then continue to serve satan as well by doing bad works. That is the carnal mind. If you get saved when you sin again, you repent and keep salvation. If you get saved, but continue in willful sin without repentance you will be spit out an face eternal punishment for serving satan as well. This is the carnal mind. Jesus makes this clear that you can not serve both.
You should read your own posts...they testify to unbelief and what a lost man would say or reason. Actually sounds like what someone would write who knows the truth about eternal salvation...in case you didn't understand I will re-post it for you to read again....
Originally Posted by dcontroversal
COP OUT....well maybe you like teaching things out of context that will take you straight to hell as well as anyone who believes your heretical doctrine of works/water for salvation...the only reason you mouthed is because in context the verses you quoted refute your heresy and make you look like a fool!
Again I will say....maybe context means nothing to you, but in context the water verses you apply to biblical salvation makes it void as eternal, biblical salvation has nothing to do with..
1. Works
2. Baptism<--work of righteousness and first act of obedience AFTER biblical salvation
3. Church membership or affiliation
4. Back flipping down the isle while speaking some jibberesh
5. Being slain in the spirit
etc.
No maybe you trust into the above and I would suggest the bible in context.....
COP OUT....well maybe you like teaching things out of context that will take you straight to hell as well as anyone who believes your heretical doctrine of works/water for salvation...the only reason you mouthed is because in context the verses you quoted refute your heresy and make you look like a fool!
Again I will say....maybe context means nothing to you, but in context the water verses you apply to biblical salvation makes it void as eternal, biblical salvation has nothing to do with..
1. Works
2. Baptism<--work of righteousness and first act of obedience AFTER biblical salvation
3. Church membership or affiliation
4. Back flipping down the isle while speaking some jibberesh
5. Being slain in the spirit
etc.
No maybe you trust into the above and I would suggest the bible in context.....
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fear God's discipline, but don't fear Him disowning you.
God does not make mistakes in His foreknowledge and sovereign election.
If we sin, our Father will discipline His child. Fear the discipline of the Lord, because He is active in this world, and will surely chasten those He loves.
Salvation is not at stake, but your life is certainly on the line!
If a person is unrepentant, then they are displaying their lack of faith, meaning they do not have the Holy Spirit, meaning they never truly believed.
God does not make mistakes in His foreknowledge and sovereign election.
If we sin, our Father will discipline His child. Fear the discipline of the Lord, because He is active in this world, and will surely chasten those He loves.
Salvation is not at stake, but your life is certainly on the line!
If a person is unrepentant, then they are displaying their lack of faith, meaning they do not have the Holy Spirit, meaning they never truly believed.
What you imply is not necessarily true because if Cassius has trusted into Jesus with works added then he has trusted into a gospel of a DIFFERENT KIND which is NO GOSPEL at all and has no power to SAVE and is double cursed to hell!....Jesus plus or minus ANYTHING = a false gospel which leads to hell!
K
I do not fear God disowning me for I know I am saved and that I strive hard to live right.
I do however believe what Jesus taught, and I will teach that to others....Jesus says their are some who believe in Him that will not inherit the kingdom. Why is that ???
That's right by the things that they do....
I do however believe what Jesus taught, and I will teach that to others....Jesus says their are some who believe in Him that will not inherit the kingdom. Why is that ???
That's right by the things that they do....