Is the Hebrew Roots Movement a cult?

[Karraster]

The Mosaic Law has 613 commands to be kept as a whole.
It's mans invention to say 'we keep the big 10 but not the civil or religious parts'.
No baby, it's all or nothing.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Christ fulfilled the requirements of the Mosaic Law and by His death tore down the wall of partition erected by the Mosaic law so that us peon gentiles can partake of the spiritual blessings of the unconditional covenants without having to become Jews.

So if you think you are keeping the Mosaic Law you are deeply deluded and are making Christ's obedience of no effect.

I see this repeatedly said by those who think keeping the sabbath is a command for us today. How about showing just one post where someone said that grace is a license to sin, and/or that we are free to sin. Just one.

ok, here's 1. it's above your post. didn't you see it? guess not for you to say it is not said! It's all or nothing??????? All is 100&....nothing is 0%

 

[danschance]

The HRM is much more than not being justified by the law! They even study all the sacrifices that were a shadow of Christ to better understand exactly how and what Christ forgives, knowing His salvation is much better. Many outside of HRM say they were of God not Christ, so the only way they associate Christ with any of that is to say Christ got rid of it all, that Christ and His Father had nothing in common.

HRM also takes worshipping Christ a step further, because they know Christ and the Father is one, that nothing Christ said or did was against the Father but Christ always took it a step further. Many outside the movement deny that the Father created the world with precision and law, HRN study it to know the Father and Christ better. Many outside the movement say that to recognize God is to deny Christ. Christ would never say that.

More condescension? More finger pointing? More snobbery? Looking down your nose at others seems to be an epidemic among those in the HRM.

 

[crossnote]

I guess it is all or nothing, Jesus gave all so we can give nothing? To each his own, as for me I will be as obedient as I can, and when I fall I will repent and do right.

We are grafted in, we did not replace Israel. and you grossly misunderstand if you think there is a different definition of sin. Grace in not a license to sin. Do you seriously think Jesus suffered and died so we could be free to sin? That's perverted. It is a lie from the adversary, and replacement theology. God keeps His promises. Forever means forever.

first I don't hold to replacement theology unless you are referring to Heb 7 where we read that the Levitical Priesthood has been REPLACED by a better Priesthood and therefore a necessitated change of the law.
Secondly you say you 'try' to keep the Mosaic Law, remember there are 613 inseperable ones to keep...a burden Jesus offered to take in Matt 11:28

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

 

[Karraster]

So now if a christian wants to learn Hebrew and identifies with Israel, they are a snob. More like a target.

 

[crossnote]

ok, here's 1. it's above your post. didn't you see it? guess not for you to say it is not said! It's all or nothing??????? All is 100&....nothing is 0%

I guess many of you don't know the difference between the Mosaic Law and the law or nature of God's Holy Spirit in us believers?

 

[Karraster]

first I don't hold to replacement theology unless you are referring to Heb 7 where we read that the Levitical Priesthood has been REPLACED by a better Priesthood and therefore a necessitated change of the law.
Secondly you say you 'try' to keep the Mosaic Law, remember there are 613 inseperable ones to keep...a burden Jesus offered to take in Matt 11:28

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Jesus was very clear in speech miracles and action that He was against the added rabbinical laws, and of course the priesthood changed after the ultimate sacrifice. However, Jesus said to do all Moses said, but not do as the pharisee.

All through the Bible..repent, repent, sin is still sin. Willful sin is worse than unknowingly sin.

don't you believe in the deity of Jesus? He wrote all the Bible. He gave the law to Moses. what then, did He say nevermind for the gentiles? Are the gentiles so special? We need correction, and not wrath. I'll take my correction while on earth, thank you.

I'm done..giving you the last word.

 

[phil112]

ok, here's 1. it's above your post. didn't you see it? guess not for you to say it is not said! It's all or nothing??????? All is 100&....nothing is 0%

Wow! I guess someone has to highlight it for me. I see nowhere that he said, "thanks to grace i can sin freely".
What is so hard to understand about keeping the two commandments from Christ, as He said to do?
Why do you so strenuosly reject Christ? Why?
You people simply hate grace and slobber over a law that is impossible to keep. The bible tells you so!

Want to wrap yourself in that blanket? Go ahead, but your feet are going to get cold. Meanwhile, those like crossnote are going to be toasty warm and comfortable in their covers.

For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it

 

[RedTent]

I guess many of you don't know the difference between the Mosaic Law and the law or nature of God's Holy Spirit in us believers?

. God is one, there is a unity. God is the I Am. Aren't you the same person who says that because Paul pointed out that Christ did the work of the rituals, it means that the Holy Spirit and God's laws are split apart?

So here we go again with personal attacks and your sending me to hell!! You are only attacking the word!!

 

[crossnote]

Jesus was very clear in speech miracles and action that He was against the added rabbinical laws, and of course the priesthood changed after the ultimate sacrifice. However, Jesus said to do all Moses said, but not do as the pharisee.

All through the Bible..repent, repent, sin is still sin. Willful sin is worse than unknowingly sin.

don't you believe in the deity of Jesus? He wrote all the Bible. He gave the law to Moses. what then, did He say nevermind for the gentiles? Are the gentiles so special? We need correction, and not wrath. I'll take my correction while on earth, thank you.

I'm done..giving you the last word.

Yes, I'm a gentile and the Mosaic Covenant was a Conditional covenant to Israel based on 'If you do this, then I'll bless'. We in Christ are in a new
covenant of 'I have done this, believe, and enter in'.
Are you trying to replace the Jews out of their old Mosaic covenant ? Is your law still being served on stone tablets or has God's nature been burned on your heart by His Spirit? The latter is not the Mosaic Law with it's 613. Why not admit it?

 

[RedTent]

Wow! I guess someone has to highlight it for me. I see nowhere that he said, "thanks to grace i can sin freely".
What is so hard to understand about keeping the two commandments from Christ, as He said to do?
Why do you so strenuosly reject Christ? Why?
You people simply hate grace and slobber over a law that is impossible to keep. The bible tells you so!

Want to wrap yourself in that blanket? Go ahead, but your feet are going to get cold. Meanwhile, those like crossnote are going to be toasty warm and comfortable in their covers.

And why, when people are against the Lord do they post such as "slobber" "hate grace". We can know those of the Lord when such is lacking in posts, for God says we can know them by their love.

I think you guys are going to have a hard time getting grace and rejecting repentance or love of the Lord as following Him shows. He offers it to you freely, based on that He gives grace, but your terms are not His terms. He doesn't even ask you to obey the law in order to give you grace, and still you refuse to listen to Him.

 

[crossnote]

. God is one, there is a unity. God is the I Am. Aren't you the same person who says that because Paul pointed out that Christ did the work of the rituals, it means that the Holy Spirit and God's laws are split apart?

So here we go again with personal attacks and your sending me to hell!! You are only attacking the word!!

Who did I send to hell?

Answer me. The Mosaic Law consisted of 613 inseparable injunctions designed to reveal our sin, if you set out to keep just one you obligate to keep all 613. Is that what you intend?

Galatians 5:2-3 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

THe 'whole law' means 'the whole law'...

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

 

[phil112]

And why, when people are against the Lord do they post such as "slobber" "hate grace". We can know those of the Lord when such is lacking in posts, for God says we can know them by their love.

I think you guys are going to have a hard time getting grace and rejecting repentance or love of the Lord as following Him shows. He offers it to you freely, based on that He gives grace, but your terms are not His terms. He doesn't even ask you to obey the law in order to give you grace, and still you refuse to listen to Him.

I hate perversion of the scripture. Why do you think Paul wasn't talking to you? Why do you think what Christ told Paul to tell you isn't as important as what God told Israel? I refuse to listen to Him? You and kar are gonna fall into the ditch. You better find yourselves a guide dog.

 

[phil112]

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James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Give it up, crossnote. She tore the new testament out of her bible when she bought it.

 

[RedTent]

More condescension? More finger pointing? More snobbery? Looking down your nose at others seems to be an epidemic among those in the HRM.

I am comparing the HRM with most of the other churches and you answer to that is "finger pointing" "snobbery" "looking down nose". My post was to show that HRM was not about using law for salvation at all. And your post is for what purpose? To label me?

 

[JaumeJ]

It is tragic to see so many, so willing to ignore the foundation of our faith, but they do, and they do it gleefully. Observing what is the foundation of our faith is not being superior to anyone, no, it is true humility in seeking to please our gracious Maker.

I am comparing the HRM with most of the other churches and you answer to that is "finger pointing" "snobbery" "looking down nose". My post was to show that HRM was not about using law for salvation at all. And your post is for what purpose? To label me?

 

[danschance]

The HRM is much more than not being justified by the law! They even study all the sacrifices that were a shadow of Christ to better understand exactly how and what Christ forgives, knowing His salvation is much better. Many outside of HRM say they were of God not Christ, so the only way they associate Christ with any of that is to say Christ got rid of it all, that Christ and His Father had nothing in common.

HRM also takes worshipping Christ a step further, because they know Christ and the Father is one, that nothing Christ said or did was against the Father but Christ always took it a step further. Many outside the movement deny that the Father created the world with precision and law, HRN study it to know the Father and Christ better. Many outside the movement say that to recognize God is to deny Christ. Christ would never say that.

I am comparing the HRM with most of the other churches and you answer to that is "finger pointing" "snobbery" "looking down nose". My post was to show that HRM was not about using law for salvation at all. And your post is for what purpose? To label me?

Your original post in question is above. It never mentions churches. Instead it says:

Many outside the movement deny that the Father created the world with precision and law, HRN study it to know the Father and Christ better. Many outside the movement say that to recognize God is to deny Christ.

Please tell me where did you hear anyone "deny that the Father created the world with precision and law" or "Many...say that to recognize God is to deny Christ."? It honestly seems as if you are bearing false witness about others. I have never once ever heard a single person make such wild claims.

 

[danschance]

It is tragic to see so many, so willing to ignore the foundation of our faith, but they do, and they do it gleefully. Observing what is the foundation of our faith is not being superior to anyone, no, it is true humility in seeking to please our gracious Maker.

The foundation of my faith is Jesus Christ. He is the cornerstone of my faith. He is the author and finisher of my faith and I have no intention of denying Him today or any other day in the distant future.

 

[crossnote]

It is tragic to see so many, so willing to ignore the foundation of our faith, but they do, and they do it gleefully. Observing what is the foundation of our faith is not being superior to anyone, no, it is true humility in seeking to please our gracious Maker.

rather this is the tradgedy many are refusing to see.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

And this is the foundation many are ignoring...

Galatians 2:19-21 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

 

[JGIG]

You only tell part of it...
That is providing you allowing the power of God's spirit to keep you from sin. Grace is not a license, and everybody that claims the power of Jesus but keeps on sinning has made it of no effect. read Paul.

6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
[SUP]2 [/SUP]God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

What makes Christ of no effect?

Sin, you say?

What does Scripture say?

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. (from Gal. 5)​

Sinning doesn't make Christ of no effect in your life, going back to the Law is what makes Christ of no effect in your life. If you're truly in Christ, you'll still have eternal life, but Christ will be of no effect in this life - instead of relying on Him, you are relying on your ability to keep Law. And all that does is stir up sin, not keep you away from sin.

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

I guess it is all or nothing, Jesus gave all so we can give nothing? To each his own, as for me I will be as obedient as I can, and when I fall I will repent and do right.

We are grafted in, we did not replace Israel. and you grossly misunderstand if you think there is a different definition of sin. Grace in not a license to sin. Do you seriously think Jesus suffered and died so we could be free to sin? That's perverted. It is a lie from the adversary, and replacement theology. God keeps His promises. Forever means forever.

The Law-keeper's mantra is that those who rest in Grace do so in order to sin more. What you don't get is that Grace gives us the freedom to not be bound by sin. Because we walk in Grace, we don't want to sin. Grace teaches us to say no to ungodliness (Titus 2:11-14). Law stirs up sin, the power of sin is in the Law, and Law bears fruit unto death (Rom. 7, 1 Cor. 15).

For freedom Christ has set us free . . . ​

Grace leads to obedience; Grace leads to holiness; Grace leads to good Fruit.


-JGIG