BEWARE the Lawkeepers

[JaumeJ]

Yeshua did not erase the law, He fulfilled it for us. We have no need to fear not keeping all of the law now, but this is not permission to sin, and you know sin is breaking the law. It is only the curse of the law that is abolished by the cross, death.

We no longer need fear death because of the free gift by the Blood of Yeshua, but it is against the teachings of Messiah's gospel to teach against any of the law. These are His words teaching, not a man's.

Obedience brings blessings; disobedience brings the curse for those who reject Yeshua.

 

[KohenMatt]

You continue to dig through the Law in order to "find blessings"...that Law was fulfilled at the Cross. God said that the purpose of the Law was to show us how sinful we are and that our righteousness could not be attained by keeping the Law.

Case in Point......God didn't say this about the Law when He gave it. What did He say about it at the time?

Have you forsaken the fountain of living waters and hewed out broken cisterns that can hold no water. Why not "draw out" from "the fountain of living waters" and cease hewing out "broken cisterns" that can hold no water?

Jeremiah 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.

Then why are you so adamant about "drawing out" water from broken cisterns?

Because there is still life in the Words and instructions that God gave His people. God gave Israel a lot of blessings within the Law, and blessings that would be perpetual.

 

[RedTent]

Having read Rom 7 wouldn't you agree that the law is impotent to save and sanctify or are you just blindly defending Zinzerio?
But thanks for trying.

Whether the law can save or not is not debated here, both sides agree that it cannot. The problem to solve is if we are to try to keep it or not. Scripture tells us we are to strive even to be perfect and posters say we are not to do that. All agree it cannot make us righteous and that we are incapable of doing it. One side says that because of that we should scrap the law, the other says we should not scrap it.

 

[Dan_473]

Keeping the Sabbath for me, is to not work, however, if the need arises for the good of myself, not profit but need, it is just fine to work on the Sabbaths, but I would hate it. Today I do not need concern myself since I am a pensioner, but I apply this to all who believe.

If a man or woman has no choice at their particular job, Jesus, Yeshua, is with them if they must work on the Sabbath. We do not live in countries where the laws are based on the laws of Biblical Israel. Our Father is not a tyrant with His children. He will bless anyone supporting a family who must work on the Sabbath.

If a friend or brother needs anything on the Sabbath, it is just fine to do anything, unless it is untoward. It would make our faith look cruel to deny a friend help because of some doctrine of man. Keep praising God and doing. I

t goes along with having a beast of burden in a pit, it is your livlihood, haul that sucker out of the pit.......Yeshua gave us mercy when observing the law, and destroyed the curse. This is the question any believer may ask himself if he is unsure of any law.........is there mercy? Yes, then it is good.

Today I made certain alll is clean inside and outside the house. I do this in case it is time for Yeshua to come for me..........I want Him to come to a reasonably clean place, after all, it is all His blessing bestowed upon me. I read the Word in the morning, and I pray. Now, I do this everyday, but knowing it is the day Yahweh gave to me and you and all, it is special.

Yes! There are many ways to keep the sabbath... Grace to you!

 

[Linda70]

Yes! There are many ways to keep the sabbath... Grace to you!

The only way to "keep the Sabbath" is according to how God commanded the children of Israel to do so....according to Scripture (Exodus 20:10; 31:12-16; 35:3; Numbers 15:32-36; Jeremiah 17:21)

 

[chubbena]

Having read Rom 7 wouldn't you agree that the law is impotent to save and sanctify or are you just blindly defending Zinzerio?
But thanks for trying.

Thanks for trying at every opportunity to state that the law is impotent to save which is never the issue in this thread, or many others for that matter.

 

[homwardbound]

If we loved the Lord, and in scripture we find that the Lord spoke often about keeping the Sabbath, why, when this is for our benefit, are we grossing and complaining about it? God created us, God sent His son to die for us, I should think that if God says to spend a day as He explains how we are to spend it, that it would be the least we could do.

Instead we are trying to shoot each other down with accusations about it, like little kids. Not like Christians. Why can't we just shut up and do like we are told? It isn't that hard, and a day devoted to saying I just give up my striving, I know You are in control sounds like a pretty good deal to me. God didn't ask for seven days of this, just one single day.

Reading some of these posts complaining about it sounds to me like ungrateful brats telling their Father He is wrong and abusing them for giving them a present.

Well RedTent granted and as for me everyday is rest, thanks to Christ whom is my sabbath rest; that I rest in while I work or not. everyday and am being taught this everyday as I die to me daily to see the new life in Spirit and truth, thanks to Christ for all to stop worry, stress ans unbelief in God, where we can daily enter God's courts with praise and thanksgiving as King David so eloquently said in Psalms 100:4, as this is waht he saw coming in the future to be by Christ's finished work for us to receive new life in Spirit and truth and able to walk in the light as in 1 Cor 13:4-7
Just what I see that has caused me to rest by trust

 

[Dan_473]

The question to ask is what God's heart would be in that situation? If someone or something is in need, does God care more about helping that person, or about the rules of that day? Our God is a God of spirit and truth, so His words and His commandments should be interpreted the same way.

Yes, and I think you're saying keep all the commandments that way... I agree! Keep all the commandments, aim for the leading of the spirit as to how to do that... Grace to you!

 

[homwardbound]

you can only say this because you read what jesus said, if jesus had never said this you could NEVER know this. because it is not said in the actual words written on stone.

sorry bro. but your in trouble trying to prove this one.

Originally Posted by gotime

you can only say this because you do not know the law and the prophets. If you did you would know that Jesus was not adding at all to them, it was always this way.

So did Christ fill the Law or not all of the Mosaic Law, is it filled or not?

 

[chubbena]

yes,
and no.

God's Law stands as the Standard of perfect righteousness.
do you think any of us meets that Standard?

i'm off to chat up our 19 yo.
and then to get some sleep.

see you tomorrow, Lord willing.
i hope you have good rest, too.

In God there's no yes and no. God's Law stands as the standard of perfect righteousness. He also spoke through Moses and spoke again Himself: "be perfect just as your Father in heaven is perfect".
Peter said:
"His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, mutual affection; and to mutual affection, love. For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But whoever does not have them is nearsighted and blind, forgetting that they have been cleansed from their past sins.
Therefore, my brothers and sisters,[SUP] [/SUP]make every effort to confirm your calling and election. For if you do these things, you will never stumble,[SUP] [/SUP]and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Neither Peter nor anyone else taught in the bible that no one should meet that standard because no one could.

 

[JaumeJ]

Yeshua, by His Example, has demonstrated the manner of obeying the law; He is God.

As He chose mercy for the woman caught in the very act of adultery, and as He approves of doing good on the Sabbath, so keeping the Seventh Day separate, that is holy, from the other six is a matter of honoring the Father with a clear conscience.

I am not under law with the curse, nor are any who are as I. Observing the law and being obedient to the Father is not being under the law, it is acting as one who is truly grateful for the sacrifice of His Only Begotten Son for our sin.

In this manner we are saying thank You in our very manner of living, for we too are separated, that is holy, from those of the world as we wait for the Lord.

The only way to "keep the Sabbath" is according to how God commanded the children of Israel to do so....according to Scripture (Exodus 20:10; 31:12-16; 35:3; Numbers 15:32-36; Jeremiah 17:21)

 

[homwardbound]

An I am not SDA

but I will not allow lies to discredit anyone
even catholics
that is not Jesus way.

what is exactly Jesus way?
personally I see it Love God's way to all to receive it by Faith in his finished work for us to be able to do as he has already did by Faith; and you by the same or not?
please tell me and all, so we all can decide truth over error, and whoever agrees with you or not, so be it. I put what i beleive to be out there and am freed from Bondage thanks to God alone, already spent too many years in bondage and controlled by me trying to do what I can't possibly do perfectly and is why I need Christ alone and now freely able to love all, because I see I am loved first

 

[Dan_473]

that goes against the Bible

2Pe_1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Very true! I'd say aim for the spirit's interpretation, then you're all in line with Peter... Grace and peace!

 

[RedTent]

Well RedTent granted and as for me everyday is rest, thanks to Christ whom is my sabbath rest; that I rest in while I work or not. everyday and am being taught this everyday as I die to me daily to see the new life in Spirit and truth, thanks to Christ for all to stop worry, stress ans unbelief in God, where we can daily enter God's courts with praise and thanksgiving as King David so eloquently said in Psalms 100:4, as this is waht he saw coming in the future to be by Christ's finished work for us to receive new life in Spirit and truth and able to walk in the light as in 1 Cor 13:4-7
Just what I see that has caused me to rest by trust

That is what we are asked to do. So does that mean that you tell the Lord you will go this far in rest and absolutely no further, you refuse to make a day special based on these things you actually do?

Do you think the Lord has no right to also ask you to honor a Sabbath because He asks these things? God asks you to work for six days, is that also asking too much?

 

[IDEAtor]

For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, mutual affection; and to mutual affection, love. For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ

This passage is interesting to me, because James 1 talks about how testing and trials (can) produce perseverance.
Thus, to "make every effort to add" --among other things-- "perseverance" is to prepare for tests and the like.
Or maybe I mean to say, "If you want to persevere, welcome the test (whatever it is) while trusting God."

...sorry for tangent.

 

[homwardbound]

And here is your problem, you seem unable to understand that it is not an "either/or" it is an "and" conjunction here. Law AND Grace. The Law defines sin and thereby also shows what is righteousness. Grace is the forgiveness we receive when we transgress the Law.

So is it in Christ finished or not, I agree with you about what the Law shows us, yet is there any more forgiveness to be provided for us to us after we have received the forgiveness in Christ for us to get new life in the resurrected
Christ in Spirit and truth?, since there is no forgiveness ever without the shedding of blood, and Christ is that last shedding and last sacrifice and when comes back is not coming back to die all over again for forgiveness is he?

So bottom line by Christ since you believe are you still forgiven if you sin?
And I am not talking go ahead and take advantage and sin all the more since we are forgiven as the Corinthians did, and Paul wrote to them to straighten that out
Again, are we forgiven by Christ's death or not? is it 100% done or not?
And I am not talking, taking it for granted and be loose as a goose. I am talking either one appreciates this and respond in trust Faith to God to lead or not, too simple you think?

 

[JaumeJ]

Very beautiful. Not a tangent at all. Yahweh bless you.

 

[RedTent]

Very true! I'd say aim for the spirit's interpretation, then you're all in line with Peter... Grace and peace!

You cannot be in line with Peter if you limit interpretation to either spiritual or literal. They work together so cutting off either one makes it a private interpretation.

 

[homwardbound]

Grace is the POWER TO BE GOOD to be OBEDIENT the ABILITY to do RIGHT and NOT SIN

Jesus di need that!

the power to keep the law perfectly obediently
that is grace
to keep the law perfectly
we are all given grace if we want it believe it and recieve it.

Thank you Brother for that above, And then maybe one will be toooooo busy praising God, where there is no thought of sin does not sin, because that ones conscience is cleared from it
Hebrews 9:14
how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Hebrews 10:2
For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

 

[JaumeJ]

Any member of the Body of Yeshua who has an interpretation of anything read from the Word would have this from the Holy Spirit, I believe.