Contradiction of WORDS
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Hey NB sorry it has taken me so long to answer you on this..had that "life" thing ya know lol
When we turn over our lives through the "pleading" of the Holy Spirit we become a "new self" in God (Eph 4:22-24). When we confess our sins before God He forgives our sins and Remembers them no more (God doesn't think upon them anymore). But we are still sinners in that we can and will most likely sin and we still struggle with sin (Romans 7:7-25). When we sin again we fall on our knees, yet again, and repent of that sin. Now remember that grace isn't a license to keep sinning. When we become a "new self" in Christ that's when the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit begins. Through the Holy Spirit God is making us Holy. We will no longer be slaves to sin (as in we keep sinning for sins sake) but our "outlook" is different...we now want to live for God rather than ourselves.
We will now put God first and want to follow Him. We still have the sinful nature but that sinful nature no longer controls us (Romans 8:5).
I hope this explains my point. if not please let me know. I guess the only way we can understand this is through study and guidance of the Holy Spirit. I feel that an actual study of Romans is the best way to understand your questions in your post here. I am sometimes not the best at explaining things. As I said I think Romans can best explain this.
When we turn over our lives through the "pleading" of the Holy Spirit we become a "new self" in God (Eph 4:22-24). When we confess our sins before God He forgives our sins and Remembers them no more (God doesn't think upon them anymore). But we are still sinners in that we can and will most likely sin and we still struggle with sin (Romans 7:7-25). When we sin again we fall on our knees, yet again, and repent of that sin. Now remember that grace isn't a license to keep sinning. When we become a "new self" in Christ that's when the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit begins. Through the Holy Spirit God is making us Holy. We will no longer be slaves to sin (as in we keep sinning for sins sake) but our "outlook" is different...we now want to live for God rather than ourselves.
We will now put God first and want to follow Him. We still have the sinful nature but that sinful nature no longer controls us (Romans 8:5).
I hope this explains my point. if not please let me know. I guess the only way we can understand this is through study and guidance of the Holy Spirit. I feel that an actual study of Romans is the best way to understand your questions in your post here. I am sometimes not the best at explaining things. As I said I think Romans can best explain this.
Which sin isn't a conscience decision? Just like David when he looked down upon Bathsheba.....An often overlooked truth is that under the law he should have died for his adultery and then murder of her husband, yet the 1st born son of David paid the price <---Good picture of Jesus hah....Grace MUCH MORE abounds and at the end of the day sin, any sin is a choice.....right? Yes I understand sins of ignorance, but ignorance of the law is no excuse right? Just asking and not making bold statements for sure.
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sorry to snip your post..just trying to take the thoughts one at a time-ish. 
i'm glad your friend is saved (?) and absolutely, Jews can learn from the OT Scriptures.
and there's this:
2 Cor. 5:21
He (God) made Him (Jesus) who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
does that help at all?
i'm glad your friend is saved (?) and absolutely, Jews can learn from the OT Scriptures.
and there's this:
2 Cor. 5:21
He (God) made Him (Jesus) who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
does that help at all?
sorry to snip your post..just trying to take the thoughts one at a time-ish.
That's a very wise way to study, instead of racing around thinking you know it all aready...like some people do.
Only God knows .
He (God) made Him (Jesus) who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
does that help at all?
does that help at all?
God looked at His sinless Son as sinful, for us, so we might be righteous.
or
God knew people would look at His sinless Son as sinful, for us, so we might be righteous.
Which one?
So Jesus was lying when he said he was a ransom?
You need to get another source for your refutations.
He said he came to die. . .because his death was the price of the ransom.
His death was not incidental.
And he ransomed and purchased us from the justice of God on our guilt, by paying the price for it himself.
You need to get another source for your refutations.
He said he came to die. . .because his death was the price of the ransom.
His death was not incidental.
And he ransomed and purchased us from the justice of God on our guilt, by paying the price for it himself.
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It will be paid for...by the unrepentant sinner:
"Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Through knowledge yes.
You're right. If God made Jesus sinful, Jesus would still be in the ground.
He lived in sacrifice to God so we would have faith in God:
"Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God." 1 Pe.1:21
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All souls sin.
So who pays for the repentant sinner?
It takes more than repentance to satisfy one's debt to justice.
There is "time" to be done.
He said he came to die. . .because his death was the price of the ransom.
His death was not incidental. It was his very purpose in coming.
You deny the propitiation of his sacrificial death in Ro 3:25.
ANATHEMA!
So who pays for the repentant sinner?
It takes more than repentance to satisfy one's debt to justice.
There is "time" to be done.
He said he came to die. . .because his death was the price of the ransom.
His death was not incidental. It was his very purpose in coming.
You deny the propitiation of his sacrificial death in Ro 3:25.
ANATHEMA!
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well, 1 Pet 2:24 tells us:
He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree...
so i think God looked at Jesus as sinful so we might 'die to sins and live for righteousness'.
but that's because Jesus did, according to that verse, actually bear our sins.
this is where looking at Leviticus, a beautiful picture of the Work of Jesus, comes in.
just briefly, in the OT sacrificial system set forth in God's Law, we find the example of
one's sins being transferred to a sacrifice, which is then slain.
Lev 1 starts right out with the command to bring an offering, a male without defect.
the priest lays his hands on the head of the offering, and it's killed.
in Lev 16, we see another example (shadow) of what was to come.
Then Aaron shall lay both of his hands on the head of the live goat, and confess over it all the iniquities of the sons of Israel and all their transgressions in regard to all their sins; and he shall lay them on the head of the goat and send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a man who stands in readiness.
The goat shall bear on itself all their iniquities to a solitary land; and he shall release the goat in the wilderness. (v. 21-22)
what i'm saying is incredibly simplistic...
but Jesus is represented by both the animal slain at the Day of Atonement, and the goat released into the wilderness.
i'm sorry...i feel i'm not doing the subject justness.
it's not that easy to 'sum up'! lol
He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree...
so i think God looked at Jesus as sinful so we might 'die to sins and live for righteousness'.
but that's because Jesus did, according to that verse, actually bear our sins.
this is where looking at Leviticus, a beautiful picture of the Work of Jesus, comes in.
just briefly, in the OT sacrificial system set forth in God's Law, we find the example of
one's sins being transferred to a sacrifice, which is then slain.
Lev 1 starts right out with the command to bring an offering, a male without defect.
the priest lays his hands on the head of the offering, and it's killed.
in Lev 16, we see another example (shadow) of what was to come.
Then Aaron shall lay both of his hands on the head of the live goat, and confess over it all the iniquities of the sons of Israel and all their transgressions in regard to all their sins; and he shall lay them on the head of the goat and send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a man who stands in readiness.
The goat shall bear on itself all their iniquities to a solitary land; and he shall release the goat in the wilderness. (v. 21-22)
what i'm saying is incredibly simplistic...
but Jesus is represented by both the animal slain at the Day of Atonement, and the goat released into the wilderness.
i'm sorry...i feel i'm not doing the subject justness.
it's not that easy to 'sum up'! lol
well this is NT language....unless of course someone decides to change baptism to spirit baptism....clear as day...buried with him by baptism......does not look like a symbol to me,it looks like he was with me at baptism...in death and resurrection.....but what is interesting is what IF we have not been planted together in the likeness of his death....do you think we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection?
Romans 6:1-6King James Version (KJV)
6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
[SUP]2 [/SUP]God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Romans 6:1-6King James Version (KJV)
6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
[SUP]2 [/SUP]God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.