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Now you are not only lying about who brought up YOUR KIDS, but also twisting the truth which you do best as EG didn't say anything about YOUR KIDS WHICH YOU BROUGHT UP.....WOW dude...lies begets lies...
EG POST-->imagine if your parents kicked you out of their family every time you grieved them with your behavior. All kids would be homeless..
Do these people think?
EG POST-->imagine if your parents kicked you out of their family every time you grieved them with your behavior. All kids would be homeless..
Do these people think?
C
But "'many' will fall-away" from the faith according to the N.T. that NewBirth quoted earlier.
If you notice in Paul's letters, when read chronologically, how humbly he speaks of his own salvation - and as in Phil 3 and elsewhere - but how in 2 Timothy, his last letter, he says something he couldn't say before in his earlier letters ....
2Ti 4:6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.
2Ti 4:7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
2Ti 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
Because they lack the fear of The LORD and believe that the works of "obedience" are not necessary for their salvation and don't heed James 2 and the many other warnings - there is a "falling away".
Loving God and Fearing Him has to go hand-in-hand -- according to all of the Scriptures with that word 'fear' in them.
We've tossed away the fear of The Lord in this generation. And He said, "If you love Me, you'll keep my commandments".
And -
Php 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Php 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
Matt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matt 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Luke 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are
Again: One cannot be IN The Book of Life UNLESS they've been grafted into the natural Olive Tree of Romans 11 ...
Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment;
and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life,
but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy,
God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city,
and from the things which are written in this book.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
If you notice in Paul's letters, when read chronologically, how humbly he speaks of his own salvation - and as in Phil 3 and elsewhere - but how in 2 Timothy, his last letter, he says something he couldn't say before in his earlier letters ....
2Ti 4:6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.
2Ti 4:7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
2Ti 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
Because they lack the fear of The LORD and believe that the works of "obedience" are not necessary for their salvation and don't heed James 2 and the many other warnings - there is a "falling away".
Loving God and Fearing Him has to go hand-in-hand -- according to all of the Scriptures with that word 'fear' in them.
We've tossed away the fear of The Lord in this generation. And He said, "If you love Me, you'll keep my commandments".
And -
Php 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Php 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
Matt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matt 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Luke 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are
Again: One cannot be IN The Book of Life UNLESS they've been grafted into the natural Olive Tree of Romans 11 ...
Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment;
and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life,
but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy,
God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city,
and from the things which are written in this book.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
E
paul said in t\romans 11 they will repent. that was the point of his writing it.
The OT prophets prophesied they would reject their messiah, Gentiles would become his people. then isreal would repent.
In romans 11. the context is gentile vs jew,
He said isreal is blinded in part. true, even till today
He said one day they will all be saved.
He said they are enemy concerning gospel. beloved concerning the promises.
thats why I said, you have to look at context.
E
you can not fall away. even if we walk away, Jesus promised to leave the flock, come get us, and take us back home. You may be able to walk away from your friends, but you can never walk away from God. Even if we are faithless. he remains faithful, he can not deny himself (his promises)
Sorry but you are trusting yourself. and not God to save you, as newbirth is. Don;t fall for satans trap like newbirth has, Eternity is too long to mess this up.
C
So you're rejecting what Paul wrote to the people of Rome in these verses:
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
E
How am I rejecting it? I agree with it. WHy do you stop there?
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
26 And so all Israel will be saved,[g] as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.” (spoken in future tense, When all isreal will be saved, so it was not the cross he is talking about, but a future restoration)
28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
26 And so all Israel will be saved,[g] as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.” (spoken in future tense, When all isreal will be saved, so it was not the cross he is talking about, but a future restoration)
28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
C
No, I don't trust myself -- I trust His entire New Testament is true and I don't wipe out parts, like James 2 etc of what is written that Paul never eluded to - Nor in the Gospels.
Obedience is from cover to cover and the fear of the Lord because of what He is doing in us.
I pray that you all can stand so confident in the days ahead - even if we must go through an almost Hell on earth and see possibly more than even Job saw and remain "faithful" - another N.T. word.
God's speed.
Obedience is from cover to cover and the fear of the Lord because of what He is doing in us.
I pray that you all can stand so confident in the days ahead - even if we must go through an almost Hell on earth and see possibly more than even Job saw and remain "faithful" - another N.T. word.
God's speed.
C
I "stopped there" because he's saying that we can be "CUT OFF" in 11:21,22 and you all are saying that can never happen.
Also says that in those 3 verses from Revelation that I just left again.
I believe we're to pray for one another to 'endure' until we die or He returns and that is my final post to this.
Thanks!!
Also says that in those 3 verses from Revelation that I just left again.
I believe we're to pray for one another to 'endure' until we die or He returns and that is my final post to this.
Thanks!!
E
here is the point you do not get.
Obedience to salvation requires the obedience of God. You can not even come close to being obedient or righteous as God. Thus you can never do enough work to even think of being saved by your good deeds.
You have two ways to heaven Your works, or Gods grace.
if you try to get their by works, yuo will (already have) fail miserably.
Obedience to salvation requires the obedience of God. You can not even come close to being obedient or righteous as God. Thus you can never do enough work to even think of being saved by your good deeds.
You have two ways to heaven Your works, or Gods grace.
if you try to get their by works, yuo will (already have) fail miserably.
K
That is not what the context is here.
It is about our walk in the Lord, only if we continue to walk in love and obedience to Him do we remain grafted into salvation. If you turn back and give into your lusts and walk in willful sin again, then you no longer have that salvation for you can not serve sin ( satan ) and the Lord.
Yes the Lord will always come for that person and give them a chance to repent, but if they do not repent and continue in that willful sin they will be cut off and have their place in the lake of fire as well.
So now that you're lying does that mean you still get a clean ticket? no need for repentance? nothing that you can do to lose your salvation?
Just for the record....I didn't bring up kids......and especially your kids so the above posts tell the whole story....like usual you twist the truth and proclaim falsehood......!
E
do you people even read what Paul said?
romans 11.. Is God done with Isreal NO
God has always kept a remnant, Even today their is a remnant.
God promised to give an eye that can not see, and ear that will nto hear to harden their heart in unbelief.
Even today, there is a remant, ac cording to grace, if it is grace it is not work, otherwise grace is no longer grace
Isreal did not get what it saught, but the remnant did, the rest were blinded
Because they fell, salvation has come to GENTILES
If there fall was good for gentiles. imagine how great their restoration will be.
They were cut off being the natural branch, so you , the olive branch or unnatural branch could be grafted in
on't be proud, but fear, If God cut them (as a nation off) God will cut you off too.
Don't be wise in your own opinion. but know the mystery, Blindness has happened to them in part. (until your time is complete
When this happens, they will ALL be saved.
They are our enemy concerning the gospel. but beloeved concerning the promise, Gods gifts and calling are irrevocable.
ie.. God has not forgoten Israel, He will restor them
You people can not use it to support your works based false gospel of induviduals. it is NOT THE CONTEXT, you need to read the WHOLE THING!
romans 11.. Is God done with Isreal NO
God has always kept a remnant, Even today their is a remnant.
God promised to give an eye that can not see, and ear that will nto hear to harden their heart in unbelief.
Even today, there is a remant, ac cording to grace, if it is grace it is not work, otherwise grace is no longer grace
Isreal did not get what it saught, but the remnant did, the rest were blinded
Because they fell, salvation has come to GENTILES
If there fall was good for gentiles. imagine how great their restoration will be.
They were cut off being the natural branch, so you , the olive branch or unnatural branch could be grafted in
on't be proud, but fear, If God cut them (as a nation off) God will cut you off too.
Don't be wise in your own opinion. but know the mystery, Blindness has happened to them in part. (until your time is complete
When this happens, they will ALL be saved.
They are our enemy concerning the gospel. but beloeved concerning the promise, Gods gifts and calling are irrevocable.
ie.. God has not forgoten Israel, He will restor them
You people can not use it to support your works based false gospel of induviduals. it is NOT THE CONTEXT, you need to read the WHOLE THING!
One is born again of God's Spirit by confessing Jesus as Lord and believing that God raised him from the dead. How do we hear that to the point we believe it? - through the word of God the Holy Spirit speaks. Through or by means of the Word of God, we become born again of incorruptible seed. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. James 1:18
Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. James 1:18