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Very good point and I agree. I see pride as the most dangerous sin of them all (most dangerous not the "worst”). I just see how my pride could have (and was at the time) kept me from truth until death, I was blessed enough to have a tragedy befall me that killed my pride from the inside out, and I praise His name every day for it. Pride keeps so many from His salvation it's undeniable and horrifying. Pride is a very dangerous thing for me personally that even as a regenerated believer I have to check myself constantly to make sure it's not running my thinking. It’s a never ending consistent battle in my opinion. It is also the hardest thing to penetrate when trying to witness to someone as well in my experience.
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I hold myself up to be "expert" on few things. Actually, only two, Construction and Sexual Addiction. And I have to disagree, Jer. It is truly the "awareness" of the sin of sexual addiction that complicates it, and makes it far and away, more dangerous than other failings we have.
I'm hoping most of us know the distinction between guilt and shame... because it would take too long to adequately explain it. Suffice it to say, for purposes of this thread, that guilt is knowing you did something "bad", and shame is thinking you, yourself are "bad" for having done it.
And this seemingly small, insignificant difference is something that will keep us from seeking God about the "action", whatever it may be.
Sex addition can create the false belief of "shame" within us like few other things can.
I hold myself up to be "expert" on few things. Actually, only two, Construction and Sexual Addiction. And I have to disagree, Jer. It is truly the "awareness" of the sin of sexual addiction that complicates it, and makes it far and away, more dangerous than other failings we have.
I'm hoping most of us know the distinction between guilt and shame... because it would take too long to adequately explain it. Suffice it to say, for purposes of this thread, that guilt is knowing you did something "bad", and shame is thinking you, yourself are "bad" for having done it.
And this seemingly small, insignificant difference is something that will keep us from seeking God about the "action", whatever it may be.
Sex addition can create the false belief of "shame" within us like few other things can.
I agree I was only saying that for me it took me losing something I thought "made me" before my pride could even be dented. I know it was my "brain" that was the problem, but I don't think anything short of losing "my manhood" (in my brain anyway) for me to realize that left to my own devices I would fail 100% of the time. The point was it took something that drastic to penetrate my pride. I wasn't talking about the porn there, which God did take away my porn addiction after my rebirth in an overnight change.
This deserves it's own thread... Great topic for discussion.
A sin we don't realize is wrong might be committed much more often, and with much less repentance. On the flip side, there is some added mercy for those who truly "know not what they do". I'm thinking we are more responsible for sins that we've felt conviction over and have fallen into anyway.
"Danger" is relative as well, really. The weight of all sin is death, but some sins do carry more damage (spiritually, physically, emotionally) than others.
Really good question Zao.
A sin we don't realize is wrong might be committed much more often, and with much less repentance. On the flip side, there is some added mercy for those who truly "know not what they do". I'm thinking we are more responsible for sins that we've felt conviction over and have fallen into anyway.
"Danger" is relative as well, really. The weight of all sin is death, but some sins do carry more damage (spiritually, physically, emotionally) than others.
Really good question Zao.
This kind of declaration can often be misleading and defeating if left like this. You eventually said all the words, but not in a very encouraging manner.
God did not simply say He "would not give us more than we can endure"... (Implying..."so man up, and realize that and just handle it!") There was more to that statement. He added that with whatever temptation we face (which very well COULD be more than we can endure all by ourselves), He will ALSO give us a way out. And sometimes we have to do a little looking to discover that way out.
If we do not try to find that way... in the right places, and in the right manner, we just might miss it. Yes, we very well COULD miss it, and let ourselves believe it was never there. Denial, stubbornness, pride, fear, laziness, disbelief, worry, and a host of other things can blind us to often very clear and simple answers God has set down right beside us.
Just thought that point needed further elaboration.
God did not simply say He "would not give us more than we can endure"... (Implying..."so man up, and realize that and just handle it!") There was more to that statement. He added that with whatever temptation we face (which very well COULD be more than we can endure all by ourselves), He will ALSO give us a way out. And sometimes we have to do a little looking to discover that way out.
If we do not try to find that way... in the right places, and in the right manner, we just might miss it. Yes, we very well COULD miss it, and let ourselves believe it was never there. Denial, stubbornness, pride, fear, laziness, disbelief, worry, and a host of other things can blind us to often very clear and simple answers God has set down right beside us.
Just thought that point needed further elaboration.
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I'm no history expert, but I'm sure there were divisions in the Church over slavery.
There are two issues at play here.
1. How you deal with your personal sin
2. How people deal with sin that is observed
I would suggest the story of the adulterous woman and how Jesus reacted vs the Pharisees/other bigwigs reacted should be our guide.
As for porn as it stands, the visual component to men's makeup is a REAL thing and not easily overcome.
Sorry for just jumping in, I am new, but I have delt with these same things... judging people, fearing judgment, feeling guilty, etc etc etc.
The danger is, on a macro sense, is we ourselves become modern day Pharisees and that has a VERY damaging effect on faith on all levels.
There are two issues at play here.
1. How you deal with your personal sin
2. How people deal with sin that is observed
I would suggest the story of the adulterous woman and how Jesus reacted vs the Pharisees/other bigwigs reacted should be our guide.
As for porn as it stands, the visual component to men's makeup is a REAL thing and not easily overcome.
Sorry for just jumping in, I am new, but I have delt with these same things... judging people, fearing judgment, feeling guilty, etc etc etc.
The danger is, on a macro sense, is we ourselves become modern day Pharisees and that has a VERY damaging effect on faith on all levels.
I would be careful about saying stuff like "I dont understand why its a problem", because it seems judgmental and might make someone who is really concerned who feels the need to seek help feel like they cant. Everyone struggles with temptation. Though we can overcome, its not always easy.
And I also am always worried when people who say they are struggling talk about how its hard to overcome an addiction, because even though its true, I sometimes worry that people often like....fall back on that and comfort themselves in the fact that its hard, like thinking that because its hard they are okay. You should totally feel the urge to run from the temptation, making yourself feel comfortable with it is the first step to allowing it into your life. I say that from my own experience.
And about sin and which is worse, there are things in the bible that would make one concerned about certain sins over others. Gluttony is a sin, and no one should be comfortable with it, but we are warned that sexually immoral people will not be saved. I dont know of any verses that say someone who eats more than they need to will not be saved (though I do know of a verse in romans that states people who were baptized lived in revelry of food and drink, and were destroyed by an angel of God). Totally show me if you know of one that does, though. But sexual immorality is talked out against the bible often.
No sin is okay, but sexual immorality is definitely warned against often.
And overcoming temptation can be hard, I struggle with temptation everyday. For me, I dont watch porn ever, but I still struggle with the sin of masterbation. And like you, when I do it I feel unclean and dirty. I pray for mercy when I do it, and go on my way again. But the few times I do break down, it is almost always when I wake up from sleep. Not that I try to justify my struggles with this, but it most often does occur when I am in a weaker sense of consciousnesses. I often have dreams that are tempting, and when I do wake up I sometimes have the urge of the flesh pushing at me. I do not consider sex throughout my day. I do not allow myself to think about it, and when Im awake I push it out of my mind. But when Im asleep, I have no defense. I have heard this from other Christians as well. When does it happen to you? When do you find yourself most vulnerable? Take note of it, and at those times remove yourself from your computer in anyway you can, maybe even put it in a place that you cannot reach at that time, and take time to pray.
And I like your point, Blain. Though we do slip up, and the fact that we do is a sin, and a great shame before God, He is always there to help us continue with Him, as long as your heart is on overcoming through Him, and not justifying the sin. And it is entirely possible to overcome as long as you continue to endure.
Hope that helped :3
And I also am always worried when people who say they are struggling talk about how its hard to overcome an addiction, because even though its true, I sometimes worry that people often like....fall back on that and comfort themselves in the fact that its hard, like thinking that because its hard they are okay. You should totally feel the urge to run from the temptation, making yourself feel comfortable with it is the first step to allowing it into your life. I say that from my own experience.
And about sin and which is worse, there are things in the bible that would make one concerned about certain sins over others. Gluttony is a sin, and no one should be comfortable with it, but we are warned that sexually immoral people will not be saved. I dont know of any verses that say someone who eats more than they need to will not be saved (though I do know of a verse in romans that states people who were baptized lived in revelry of food and drink, and were destroyed by an angel of God). Totally show me if you know of one that does, though. But sexual immorality is talked out against the bible often.
No sin is okay, but sexual immorality is definitely warned against often.
And overcoming temptation can be hard, I struggle with temptation everyday. For me, I dont watch porn ever, but I still struggle with the sin of masterbation. And like you, when I do it I feel unclean and dirty. I pray for mercy when I do it, and go on my way again. But the few times I do break down, it is almost always when I wake up from sleep. Not that I try to justify my struggles with this, but it most often does occur when I am in a weaker sense of consciousnesses. I often have dreams that are tempting, and when I do wake up I sometimes have the urge of the flesh pushing at me. I do not consider sex throughout my day. I do not allow myself to think about it, and when Im awake I push it out of my mind. But when Im asleep, I have no defense. I have heard this from other Christians as well. When does it happen to you? When do you find yourself most vulnerable? Take note of it, and at those times remove yourself from your computer in anyway you can, maybe even put it in a place that you cannot reach at that time, and take time to pray.
And I like your point, Blain. Though we do slip up, and the fact that we do is a sin, and a great shame before God, He is always there to help us continue with Him, as long as your heart is on overcoming through Him, and not justifying the sin. And it is entirely possible to overcome as long as you continue to endure.
Hope that helped :3